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Re: Earth's Rotation Speeding Up

by Aardwolf » Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:16 am

moses wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:03 am The article referenced by Daniel has an error. The spin slows by 1.78 ms per century and not 1.78 ms per day.

1000000 x .00004877 = 48.77 ms which is not 6 hours.

Mo
The paper says.

“That sounds like a lot, but it works out to the duration of a 24-hour day being lengthened by about 1.78 milliseconds over the course of a century.”

That states 1.78 ms per day.

Re: Earth's Rotation Speeding Up

by moses » Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:03 am

The article referenced by Daniel has an error. The spin slows by 1.78 ms per century and not 1.78 ms per day.

1000000 x .00004877 = 48.77 ms which is not 6 hours.

Mo

Re: Earth's Rotation Speeding Up

by Aardwolf » Wed Apr 28, 2021 9:54 pm

If the earth has slowed by 1.78 ms over a century that equates to 0.00004877 ms per day. You then need to add that time cumulatively per below;

Day 1 = 0.00004877
Day 2 = 0.00004877 + 0.00004877
Day 3 = 0.00004877 + 0.00004877 + 0.00004877
and so on...

So for 2,740 years that is say 1,000,000 days. Taking the above out to 1,000,000 days then adding all days cumulatively = 24,383,586 ms.

24,383,586 ms = 6.8 hours.

Re: Earth's Rotation Speeding Up

by D_Archer » Tue Feb 02, 2021 9:58 pm

jacmac wrote: Tue Feb 02, 2021 2:33 am oops:
That was actually 1.78 milliseconds PER DAY.

so..... 1.78 ms/day x 365 days/year x 2740 years

That is 1,780,178 ms
1,780.78 seconds
or 29.67 minutes.

Still not close to 6 hours ????
And what does that last "over the course of a century" mean ????
i guess you have take the 6 hours as a percentage of ALL the hours in 2740 years...

876581277 hours (1 year) x 2740 = a lot

In 'a lot of time' the earth spin has slowed 6 hours, so there is 6 hours more time passed than when the earth kept the same rate of spin..

So the day has lengthened 1.78ms per 24hrs

('A lot' divided by 24 hours) x 1.78ms = the amount of milliseconds earth has slowed.

Regards,
Daniel

p.s i am just winging it ;-) , i could be wrong.

Re: Earth's Rotation Speeding Up

by jacmac » Tue Feb 02, 2021 2:33 am

oops:
That was actually 1.78 milliseconds PER DAY.

so..... 1.78 ms/day x 365 days/year x 2740 years

That is 1,780,178 ms
1,780.78 seconds
or 29.67 minutes.

Still not close to 6 hours ????
And what does that last "over the course of a century" mean ????

Re: Earth's Rotation Speeding Up

by jacmac » Tue Feb 02, 2021 2:13 am

from: D_Archer,
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/12 ...
Overall, Earth’s spin has slowed by about 6 hours in the past 2740 years, the team reports today in the Proceedings of the Royal Society A. That sounds like a lot, but it works out to the duration of a 24-hour day being lengthened by about 1.78 milliseconds over the course of a century.
But, working backward, today’s astronomers would have predicted that the eclipse should have been seen a quarter of a world away, somewhere in the western Atlantic Ocean.
2470 years = 24.7 centuries
24.7 x 1.78 = 48.77 milliseconds
48.77 milliseconds is not 6 hours !
What am I missing ???????????????

Re: Earth's Rotation Speeding Up

by nick c » Wed Jan 27, 2021 4:13 pm

I recently came across this paper; it was a link in a file that I had on a different but somewhat related subject. Anyway, I thought it may be of interest to those that have participated and/or followed this thread.

Measurement of the Earth's rotation: 720 BC to AD 2015

Re: Earth's Rotation Speeding Up

by D_Archer » Mon Jan 18, 2021 8:48 am

Ancient eclipses show Earth’s rotation is slowing:
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/12 ... on-slowing
There have been about a million days since 720 B.C.,” says Leslie Morrison, an astronomer now retired from the Royal Observatory Greenwich in London. Over such a long time, even a gradual slowdown in Earth’s rotation becomes evident, he notes.
Not only that, the study also identifies short-term hiccups in the spin rate that have been missed by cruder models.
Comment:
A speeding up is a hiccup, i would say an influx of solar energy, ie more charge (real physical photons) coming in at the poles can boost the rotation a little, but it is a temporary effect. With the earth also cooling and the core hardening its ability to recycle charge becomes less and less (2nd law again) so any future boost will be less and less too...
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A New Study Just Revealed That Earth's Core Is Actually Leaking:
Earth's core started as entirely liquid metal and has been cooling and partially solidifying over time
Comment: the earth is cooling, heat is escaping...
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Regards,
Daniel

Re: Earth's Rotation Speeding Up

by toni » Sun Jan 17, 2021 8:49 pm

In my opinion, the first knowledge of nature's processes or electricity must be understood or we cannot have a measuring stick. Nature is very simple. This is why MSM is putting so much nonsense all over to cover that fact. With only reading, obtaining knowledge is not possible. Working with electricity one can go much further and grasp a basis that could be set as a good foundation for the law that governs motion. I tried to point out some of your errors but I did not go too far. I wish you good luck.

Best Regards,
Toni

Earth's Rotation Speeding Up

by nick c » Sun Jan 17, 2021 2:58 am

An interesting paper from 1976:
"Nonuniformities in the earth's rotation from astronomical observations during 1970.1-1974.5"
http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu//ful ... 5.000.html
The coincidence of solar flares with a change in the sign of the acceleration of the slow fluctuations in the earth's rotational velocity, as occurred in 1972, does warrant attention. But one should recognize that in 1972 not only was there a change in the long-term regime of the earth's rotation, but the 2 yr cycle of the amplitude of the January maximum was also violated, and this departure took place about a half a year before the flares on the sun.

Re: Earth's Rotation Speeding Up

by crawler » Sat Jan 16, 2021 11:41 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPIDOt0NYFM

Anton mentions that nowadays we have a very accurate measure of where things are etc.
No we dont.
What we have is accurate measures of where we think things are.
And if everyone's measures agree then that makes us very confident.
But in reality all of our measures are not as accurate as we think.
In reality lots of things affect ticking, like i said earlier.
But in general they affect everyone's tickings, by about the same amounts.

So, there is a difference tween where things are, & where we think they are, & where we agree that they are, etc.

Re: Earth's Rotation Speeding Up

by crawler » Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:48 pm

toni wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:28 am Crawler This is a very simple question and by now we should know exactly how to answer it in a simple way. Over here we are dealing with the physical world and we have to apply the knowledge that we obtained through observation. If we cannot answer something simple, how can we talk about 0 point, aether, double-layer, left and right turns and so on? Now we could answer a lot of questions in a simple way, otherwise we complicate things even more.
There is a void that at any point, when electricity creates matter, space is created. Matter has a frequency. Frequency creates time. Is this enough for you to make any solid connection or understanding? Best Regards, Toni
The world that we see & feel consists only of processes. Every process has a frequency, a ticking. Ticking is time.

We have almost zero knowledge of what things affect the tickings of atomic clocks.

In my earlier ramblings i didnt even touch on aspects of true tickings (absolute tickings), apparent tickings (perceived tickings), observed tickings (measured tickings).

I did introduce the novel concept that almost all tickings (even atomic tickings) must be affected by orientation (ie angle)(vertical & horizontal)(i called it direction). Orientation of atomic etc clocks will i feel sure not be a nullity.

Re: Earth's Rotation Speeding Up

by D_Archer » Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:40 am

toni wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:28 am Daniel,
We have 1400 hours difference from the first and the last planet and to say that time on earth will not change, is not very realistic. We could add to the story that life on earth starts when earth moves around 70M miles from the sun and slowly fades around 104M miles. Change definitely comes and our task is to learn as much as we can about nature's processes. If you think that it is not so, please describe exactly the process which determines your point of view.
? time is not a thing and can not change by definition. I also never said what you say i said. Yes, we should study change, like how the earth changes, is a living thing with a life cycle and dies. See my paper on a new natural law i discovered > https://vixra.org/pdf/2011.0128v1.pdf
Crawler This is a very simple question and by now we should know exactly how to answer it in a simple way. Over here we are dealing with the physical world and we have to apply the knowledge that we obtained through observation. If we cannot answer something simple, how can we talk about 0 point, aether, double-layer, left and right turns and so on? Now we could answer a lot of questions in a simple way, otherwise we complicate things even more.
There is a void that at any point, when electricity creates matter, space is created. Matter has a frequency. Frequency creates time. Is this enough for you to make any solid connection or understanding?
Best Regards,
Toni
Yes, please keep it simple and not talk about nullities.

Regards,
Daniel

Re: Earth's Rotation Speeding Up

by toni » Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:28 am

Daniel,
We have 1400 hours difference from the first and the last planet and to say that time on earth will not change, is not very realistic. We could add to the story that life on earth starts when earth moves around 70M miles from the sun and slowly fades around 104M miles. Change definitely comes and our task is to learn as much as we can about nature's processes. If you think that it is not so, please describe exactly the process which determines your point of view.

Crawler This is a very simple question and by now we should know exactly how to answer it in a simple way. Over here we are dealing with the physical world and we have to apply the knowledge that we obtained through observation. If we cannot answer something simple, how can we talk about 0 point, aether, double-layer, left and right turns and so on? Now we could answer a lot of questions in a simple way, otherwise we complicate things even more.
There is a void that at any point, when electricity creates matter, space is created. Matter has a frequency. Frequency creates time. Is this enough for you to make any solid connection or understanding?
Best Regards,
Toni

Re: Earth's Rotation Speeding Up

by crawler » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:18 pm

D_Archer wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:44 am
toni wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:58 am We can look into the rotation of the planet in 2 ways:
First by observation. The planet closest to our sun has 1400 hours a day. The one furthest from the sun is 16 earth hours a day. The reason for this is that the further the planet is from its mother star, it slowly increases rotation around the axis and decreases rotation around the star.
Second, we must know how electricity works. Planets grow to a perfect sphere and then disintegration starts. Poles start to flatten and the equatorial area starts to expand. In the same time, activity in the equatorial area increases and we know this by the moons around the planets which are further away. A good example would be Jupiter and its size. Most likely Jupiter didn't grow to this size but expanded with the pressures from inside. When we see the difference in the hours of the first and last planets, we don't have to be surprised that the earth's rotation is going to change. When we know how gravitation and radiation cycles work, then it is easy to see nature's wonders.
Best Regards,Toni
That is all fine, but those are active/dynamic variables, there can always be slight changes up and down, in rotation, in cooling/warming.
But you can not say the rotation of the earth is speeding up when it is simply not true overall (time).
Regards,Daniel
There is no such thing as time, except for the present instant, which is universal.
All we have is ticking, ie the ticking of processes, including clocks & orbits & chemistry & biology etc.

(A) Therefore time is ticking, & ticking must be related to a nominated process, every process being different ticking wise.

And, that one process will depend on location etc, ie the ticking will be different in different locations no matter how perfect the instrument.

And at any one location the ticking rate will change during time (eg during a day, year etc).

If we know what affects ticking we can use any clock to give a good measure of uniform time. But we dont know. Hence it makes it difficult to say which clock is more correct, or at least exactly how correct.

The key is that we need a good measure of uniform time, ie raw time corrected for uncontrollable variables.

This will require knowledge of (1) aether (& in particular aetherwind & the acceleration of the wind), (2) photaenos (a part of every photon)(which slow light & electric forces near mass), (3) the centrifuging of aether (adding to aetherwind, & adding to the acceleration of the wind), (4) relativistic effects (affecting our understanding & measure of true ticking & apparent ticking etc), (5) lots of other stuff.

If we do a perfect job then we can ignore requirement (A).

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