nick c wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:04 pm
Velikovsky did not support the Juergens model. Perhaps he would have had he lived longer, perhaps not.
Well, apparently from a recent post by Jonesdave116, Dave just has his head up Jonesdave's backside, and they apparently aren't the same person. They are however acting like a dishonest lying tag team, and they are both misrepresenting history in precisely the same way. To hear them (mis)tell the story, the "electric universe" concept begins and ends with Velikovsky and an anode sun in the 1950's, but as you point out, there's no guarantee Velikovsky would even have supported the anode solar model, so that whole line of reasoning is just absurd. not to mention historically inaccurate. It's also absurd to assume that all EU/PC proponents agree with either Velikovski or Juergens, since I do not.
Nothing like leaving out a half century of physics and physical research because it doesn't fit with your corrupt narrative. The mainstream astronomers are simply untrustworthy sources of information. They lie like a rug. Birkeland was the first "scientist" to propose an "electric universe", not Velikovski or Juergens.
Apparently Dave used some single sentence snipet from a 2016 video that he evidently linked to in an effort to support his commentary about gamma rays, while simply ignoring the part of the video where Monty explains that SAFIRE measured the temperature of the plasma above the anode to be much hotter than the surface of the anode, just like we see in the solar atmosphere. To this day the mainstream cannot explain the original heat source of a full sphere corona, let alone *simulate* such a process in a real lab experiment. That's been done now with both an anode and a cathode model in real lab experiments which actually work in the lab, unlike all the massive failures of the mainstream to find exotic dark matter.
Jonesdave is still clueless about current carrying plasma filaments. They absolutely are hot enough and dense enough in the solar atmosphere since they reach tens of millions of degrees, they *do* emit gamma rays sometimes, and they act to "pinch" the plasma together into filaments. Alfven describes a "magnetic rope" as a Bennett pinch. If the majority of the fusion in the sun is occurring inside those loops, but the majority of those loops are located well *underneath* the surface of the photosphere, the photosphere would simply absorb them just like it does so in the standard solar model, so Jonesdave is making exactly the same damn mistake that they accuse Monty of making! Sheesh. Talk about pure hypocrites. At worst case the EU/PC model would need a somewhat different density arrangement in the upper solar atmosphere, but I assumed that was already true based on satellite imagery.
The mainstream's association of EU/PC theory with religion and cults is simply hilarious and wildly ironic. Whether the anode or cathode or both models turn out to be incorrect, they actually work in the lab to produce a full sphere hot solar corona and a sustained planetary aurora, unlike all the pseudoscientific nonsense related to MRx. MRx is already more than a century behind in the lab and counting with respect to simulating a corona. A sustained planetary aurora? They can't even begin to simulate such a thing in the lab.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m58-CfVrsN4
Even a simply 10,000 dollar experiment shows how an aurora actually works......electrically!
Worse still is the fact that 95 percent of the LCDM model is based on *metaphysical* crap which blatantly violates known laws of physics, it's not based on actual empirical physics. Unlike the EU/PC model of cosmology and it's various solar models, *nothing* of any a significance about the LCDM model or solar physics actually works in the lab, not one major claim. Hot full sphere sustained corona? Hell no! They can't simulate that with MRx! Dark matter? Sheesh, they can't even agree on what DM is, and its' failed every lab test in truly epic fashion. Dark energy? Where the hell does that come from, and how does it retain a constant density over multiple *exponential* increases in volume? They don't have a clue. Inflation? It's completely made up gibberish by the mainstream version of L Ron Hubbard, the revered Pope Guth of Guthianityl. "All hail the sacred inflation diety"!
In terms of "cults", every single one of the mainstream claims requires *blind faith* in the existence of their dark gods and inflation deities because they're completely and totally impotent in the lab. LCDM is a metaphysical math cult. They 'pretend' that the math they spew somehow excuses them from having to demonstrate their cause/effect claims in the lab. Nevermind the fact that their whole model is mathematical self conflicted with respect to the Hubble constant! Sheesh. What a pathetic mathematical piece of crap!
In a cathode solar model it's quite easy to explain how and why slower speeds solar wind electron and protons move in the same direction away from the sun, while faster moving "strahl"/electron beam electrons move away from the sun, and high speed (nearly the speed of light) ions bombard the entire solar system. We even measure both the outgoing electron beams and the incoming cosmic ray ions, so we can see that the actual "current" does move in *opposite* directions. The slower speed solar wind is simply a function of kinetic energy as high speed outbound electrons slam into solar atmospheric particles and push (and even pull) them out into space. Birkeland actually *predicted* that feature!
Apparently Jonedave thinks NASA writes crappy press releases and misrepresent the contents of various published papers. How ironic that its obvious how a "Birkeland current" generates sustained currents over *hours*, whereas such a thing has *never* been shown to happen in a lab with 'magnetic reconnection" nonsense. Sustained current generates sustained energy. MRX is an *induction* type process that could *never* produce a sustained current. It would only produce a short duration discharge at best.
While I personally do question the viability of what SAFIRE is proposing with respect to energy production, it's hard to take Dr. Morgan's comments too serious since he was apparently happily and willingly taking SAFIRE's money for more than six years until the money (and contracts) finally ran out. Disgruntled ex-employees are a dime a dozen.
Whatever SAFIRE's faults might be, they *pale* in comparison to all problems and all the money wasted on dark matter and MRx experiments which *to this very day* remain completely incapable of even generating a full sphere hot corona simulation.