by neilwilkes » Fri Sep 04, 2020 11:56 am
Michael Mozina wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 2:21 pm
neilwilkes wrote: ↑Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:55 am
Michael, do you really seriously believe that CO2 is causing Global Warming, and that it is specifically man made CO2 doing it?
Yes, I do believe that C02 is causing global warming and that most it is man made.
I do however think that the issue is oversimplified by both sides of the argument. It's not clear how much the sun's variation in energy output contributes to climate change, and the Earth experiences hot and cold cycles that clearly have nothing to do with human activity. Even still, C02 levels have reached levels that are unprecedented based on what we measure in ice core samples, and C02 is only *one* of the unpleasant byproducts of continuing to rely upon fossil fuels for our energy needs. It's ridiculous IMO that we continue to rely on fossil fuels considering the fact that we could simply tap into the electric energy all around us and do away with the need for fossil fuels entirely. It's another sad legacy of astronomy being so ignorant of the role of electric fields in space.
I am actually very surprised to discover this - personally, the evidence that CO2 has absolutely sweet FA to do with temperature is so well established it is just not even funny. Look at the Mediaeval Warm Period, the Roman Warm Period etc - no CO2 then, yet temperatures were much, much warmer than now (and we did not burn). Human CO2 output is minuscule, and if anything we were dangerously close to the level where photosynthesis & plant life would not have been possible - the exact numbers elude my memory but it is between 100 & 150ppm (parts per million) and I will be happy to share serious papers proving what I say. Termites emit more CO2 than humans, yet nobody is declaring war on termites.
CO2 is a trace gas - under 0.5% of the atmosphere - and what causes temperature rises is the Star we are a mere 8 light minutes away from. It is not the Solar TSI that is relevant here, but the energetic particles and our currently collapsing magnetic field that is the problem, and the 'warming' of the late 20th century was caused by a Solar activity higher than it had been for many centuries coupled with a seriously aggressive El Nino, and even though CO2 levels have steadily risen this century global temperatures have not.
The monthly NOAA maps are fiction - you will notice f you look carefully 2 very interesting facts:
1 - To show any 'warming' at all they are using the night time temperatures, not the daily average but a 24-hour one.
2 - Almost all of the world has no long term weather stations with reliable data.
3 - Both NASA & the ESA have had to admit the planet is getting greener with the increased CO2 levels. This is not a bad thing.
Please go check out realclimatescience.com - you will find all the details you need there, and you can also check suspicious0bservers.org and Ben's material on what is happening with the Global Electric Circuit (which is what causes all weather)
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[quote=neilwilkes post_id=2340 time=1591527306 user_id=672]
Michael, do you really seriously believe that CO2 is causing Global Warming, and that it is specifically man made CO2 doing it?
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Yes, I do believe that C02 is causing global warming and that most it is man made.
I do however think that the issue is oversimplified by both sides of the argument. It's not clear how much the sun's variation in energy output contributes to climate change, and the Earth experiences hot and cold cycles that clearly have nothing to do with human activity. Even still, C02 levels have reached levels that are unprecedented based on what we measure in ice core samples, and C02 is only *one* of the unpleasant byproducts of continuing to rely upon fossil fuels for our energy needs. It's ridiculous IMO that we continue to rely on fossil fuels considering the fact that we could simply tap into the electric energy all around us and do away with the need for fossil fuels entirely. It's another sad legacy of astronomy being so ignorant of the role of electric fields in space.
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I am actually very surprised to discover this - personally, the evidence that CO2 has absolutely sweet FA to do with temperature is so well established it is just not even funny. Look at the Mediaeval Warm Period, the Roman Warm Period etc - no CO2 then, yet temperatures were much, much warmer than now (and we did not burn). Human CO2 output is minuscule, and if anything we were dangerously close to the level where photosynthesis & plant life would not have been possible - the exact numbers elude my memory but it is between 100 & 150ppm (parts per million) and I will be happy to share serious papers proving what I say. Termites emit more CO2 than humans, yet nobody is declaring war on termites.
CO2 is a trace gas - under 0.5% of the atmosphere - and what causes temperature rises is the Star we are a mere 8 light minutes away from. It is not the Solar TSI that is relevant here, but the energetic particles and our currently collapsing magnetic field that is the problem, and the 'warming' of the late 20th century was caused by a Solar activity higher than it had been for many centuries coupled with a seriously aggressive El Nino, and even though CO2 levels have steadily risen this century global temperatures have not.
The monthly NOAA maps are fiction - you will notice f you look carefully 2 very interesting facts:
1 - To show any 'warming' at all they are using the night time temperatures, not the daily average but a 24-hour one.
2 - Almost all of the world has no long term weather stations with reliable data.
3 - Both NASA & the ESA have had to admit the planet is getting greener with the increased CO2 levels. This is not a bad thing.
Please go check out realclimatescience.com - you will find all the details you need there, and you can also check suspicious0bservers.org and Ben's material on what is happening with the Global Electric Circuit (which is what causes all weather)