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"So much for all the criticism of "mainstream groupthink". "

I know, I know. Pretty sad looking for consensus, but its all I got without that Cosmology PHD in my back pocket.

Open Mind wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 7:03 pm To paladin17 re: your email exchange between you and Ben Davidson.
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I'd be interested to at least know if you represent a clear majority of opinion on Ben, or at least to what degree that opinion is shared.

So much for all the criticism of "mainstream groupthink".

Hi Open Mind,

I think what Wal is referring to is the way geologists assume all craters are due to impacts from space, assume a constant rate of impacts from space over time and then count the number of craters to determine how old the surface is, or how long it’s been experiencing impacts. Where there are a lot of impacts they will assume a long period of constant impacts. In the case of fewer impacts in a region, they will assume a younger surface or later re-surfacing covering existing craters. It’s a form of uniformitarianism.

Electric craters don’t necessarily accumulate in the same way because they are due to electrical interactions and not a steady rate of random impacts from space. They may all be created across a planet’s surface in a single event, or in local clusters at different times, or one at a time etc. For this reason we cannot determine the age of a surface simply by counting how many craters there are.

Thornhill says in the latest (old) youtube, that if electrical crater, then it can't be used to date the crater. Why is that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1EEQ2MK2qU

37:53 time stamp for claim

Reading through this thread, @Brigit's interest in earthquake prediction reinforced my conviction that now is exactly the time to promote the Electric Universe model.

Brigit wrote:

jacmac wrote:
With all the catastrophes we are already dealing with now,
why are you asking...
Maybe this is not the best possible time to bring up the potential future dangers in the solar system. (:

The questions are related to geology and the surface of the Earth in comparison with various moons and planets, and what the most distinguishing electrical scars actually are on our planet.

It was suggested recently on this forum that an electrically-powered sun does not necessarily require an anode/cathode format, since plasma organizes into other structures that may be a better fit. Betelgeuse's "supernova" false alarm is a telling example of the confusion of the BB vs the plausibility of electrically-powered stars; it grew increasingly dim in 2019 and 2020, recovered, and has recently emitted a huge CME. This latest example of variability in the cosmos suggests the variability in our solar system's web of currents could also result in dangerously powerful electric discharges, even those required for Electric Arc Machining.

With better forecasts for earthquakes, volcanoes, and weather, derived from a proper understanding of the electrical influences on our planet, the potential savings in lives and property are immeasurable. Early warnings for CMEs could save billions in damage to infrastructure. This is why the true nature of the cosmos is not merely an academic debate with no real consequences for earth’s inhabitants; it is potentially much more consequential than "Climate Change" or defenses against asteroids. This is why Eric Lerner deserves every help we can offer in supporting his courageous act of heresy. And this is potentially the lever to pry away the funding from the BB fantasy and divert it to useful research in Plasma Cosmology.

To paladin17 re: your email exchange between you and Ben Davidson.

Its impossible for me to comprehend if Ben is a wacko and you rode in on a white horse to save us all from his crazy, Or if he's onto something and you're stuck in literal interpretation and reacting like a mainstream debunker.

The best I could do to comprehend this exchange is to read through several other's interpretations of the remarks on those email exchanges by several others in several other colours perhaps.

Is there a full open debate between many people on your exchange in a post string here in one of these forum pages? I'd be interested to at least know if you represent a clear majority of opinion on Ben, or at least to what degree that opinion is shared. All I know is, he makes some bold claims that play into the pre-warmed market of preppers, so all his fan base share a preexisting condition, which makes them difficult to count towards 'academic support'.

jackokie wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 1:08 am @Brigit Here is an article from the Science Alert website from yesterday (originally published in Journal of Geophysical Research: Solid Earth) that hints that consensus science is starting to pay attention to the electrical activity around earthquakes. Titled "California Quakes Mysteriously Preceded by Shifts in Earth's Magnetic Field", the authors report: "Applying machine learning to ground-based measurements of local magnetic changes in the lead-up to a number of significant earthquakes across California between 2005 and 2019, the researchers found signs of a pattern that demands further study." Of course, they're still focused on magnetism rather than electricity, but it's a start.

I think the interaction of Earth's magnetic field with fluctuating solar wind E/M forces, CMEs, etc, affect the planet like a piezoelectric transducer.

@Brigit Here is an article from the Science Alert website from yesterday (originally published in Journal of Geophysical Research: Solid Earth) that hints that consensus science is starting to pay attention to the electrical activity around earthquakes. Titled "California Quakes Mysteriously Preceded by Shifts in Earth's Magnetic Field", the authors report: "Applying machine learning to ground-based measurements of local magnetic changes in the lead-up to a number of significant earthquakes across California between 2005 and 2019, the researchers found signs of a pattern that demands further study." Of course, they're still focused on magnetism rather than electricity, but it's a start.

Earth's electrical scars subtopic: earthquakes, earthquake prediction

Thank you for those wonderful links, jackokie. Very good reading. Yes, earthquakes and volcanoes are caused by underground lightning and are related to solar activity.

If you have increasing solar activity, such as increased sunspots, CMEs and solar flares, there is a greater chance that all of that will cause earthquakes because it causes geomagnetic storms, which in turn can cause underground electrical currents. Your first link addressed that. And that is just one element of the electrical connection between the sun and earth; as you point out, there are polar connections between the planets and the sun, identified around here as Birkland currents, but also known as magnetic flux ropes.

So what was and still is my problem with this earthquake prediction app based on solar activity?

I had much higher hopes for applying the science of the electric universe to geophysics than just calculating risk in general areas.

I believe that the only way to predict earthquakes, if you follow the published materials of the electric universe, is through instrumental observations. The most important network would be infrasound sensors, but there are other earthquake precursors that are detectable as well, which, together with the infrasound, would tell you where currents and electrical charges are building up to an event.

We also have van Allen belts which store charged particles in toroids around the planet, and if those are whacked by an incoming charged object, a solar flare, or by a certain frequency, that can 1. create additional van Allen belts, and 2. release tremendous electrical charges in the near earth environment in various ways.
Lots of paths for those electrical currents to take from the van Allen belts.

At the time I felt perhaps slightly bitter because I am sick to death of my soul because of these modelers calculating risk and calling it science. But like I said, I think SO's heart was in the right place so I just commented on Tallbloke's a couple of times on the subject and let it go.

Thank you, @Brigit. My career and livelihood have been as a systems developer, with a great deal of that being what used to be called "systems analysis". A lot of that entailed interviews with client employees at varying levels of responsibility and scope in order to gain an understanding of current operations and issues, i.e., basically melding each person's fantasy of what was going on into a useful picture. Having looked at the Electric Universe model, and benefitted from the accumulated knowledge of the commentariat here, I'm convinced there is a solar system web analogous to the galactic web that accounts for a great deal of the phenomena we see. If there is a Birkeland current between the Earth and the sun (and that no longer seems deniable), then that current is likely the source of the electrical phenomena we experience (with such a ready source of electricity there is no need to invent another):
Auroras
Sprites and Elves
Lightening
Telluric currents

The recent Betelguese "supernova" clearly shows how variable the current in the galactic web can be. We should expect similar variability in the solar system, such that our Birkeland current could deliver sufficient energy for planetary scarring via Electric Arc Machining - no close encounters of planetary bodies required. The speculation that Micah describes such events is plausible; people frame their stories with familiar concepts. Below are links to two articles that relate to your inquiry:

https://www.usgs.gov/programs/earthquak ... companions

http://www.actforlibraries.org/undergro ... ic-events/

Dry, Wet and Underwater Electrical Scarring subtopic: earthquake prediction, earthquake prediction app

Here is a new topic on Planetary Science regarding earthquake prediction.
https://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/forum3/ph ... ?f=4&t=793

It answers Jackokie's question about SOs earthquake prediction app.

It works by updating solar activity daily, and then apportioning the risk of a tremor
in earthquake prone regions of the globe.

Electrical Scarring subtopic: earthquake prediction

jackokie » Sat Aug 13, 2022 7:31 am says,
"@Brigit Could you give us a brief description of the theory behind SO's app?"

Why certainly jackokie, it would be my pleasure.

It will take me a little time, because I was discussing it sometime in 2014, if I recall. I will find the reference and start a new thread on the subject. See you there.

@Brigit Could you give us a brief description of the theory behind SO's app?

Dry, Wet, and Underwater Electrical Scarring subtopic: Suspicious Observers

Another very serious disagreement I had with SO was his app which attempted to predict earthquakes.

He was using some kind of calcs and algorithm which allowed the app to "forecast" the most likely region for an earthquake, along with a risk/likelihood of an event in that region relative to other regions.

As vehemently as I disagreed with this app and this approach, I began to feel that at least his heart was in the right place: we are each deeply devoted to applying the science of the electric universe to the world around us. It's just he's wrong about detecting earthquakes in that way.

Dry, Wet and Underwater Electrical Scarring subtopic: SO

I thought it would be fun to just be honest. Any way it was over ten years ago.

But hey ho, that is the way things go in the comment section (: