What natural (or unnatural ?) phenomenon can cause these curious wind patterns?

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Re: What natural (or unnatural ?) phenomenon can cause these curious wind patterns?

by Maol » Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:31 am

Sure looks like it could be.

Re: What natural (or unnatural ?) phenomenon can cause these curious wind patterns?

by JP Michael » Fri Jun 05, 2020 12:14 am

Re: What natural (or unnatural ?) phenomenon can cause these curious wind patterns?

by JP Michael » Mon May 25, 2020 11:12 pm

That's some impressive storm cells and very reminiscent of the continental-width rain band that struck Western Australia on Sunday, as I showed in my video above.

Re: What natural (or unnatural ?) phenomenon can cause these curious wind patterns?

by Maol » Mon May 25, 2020 2:52 pm

More bull's-eye patterns last night at 10hPa (~26,500 m) over a similar Texas area as those in the links in the OP. Again, associated with heavy thunder storms and precipitation. If you bump this ahead and back with the < and > arrows you can see these bull's eyes persisted for several hours. These patterns perhaps are, or some way related to, atmospheric gravity waves .. ?

https://earth.nullschool.net/#2020/05/2 ... 30.20,1250

https://weather.us/radar-us/usa/20200525-061000z.html

Re: What natural (or unnatural ?) phenomenon can cause these curious wind patterns?

by JP Michael » Sun May 24, 2020 7:30 am

As promised.

It seems the repeated rendering has significantly reduced the quality of some of the imagery (especially from earth.nullschool.net), so if you want to check it out yourself you can do so here (turn animations off).

Re: What natural (or unnatural ?) phenomenon can cause these curious wind patterns?

by JP Michael » Sat May 23, 2020 4:41 am

Do bursts typically exhibit rotation, though? I know sustained currents do (eg. high or low pressure systems). It is a peculiar wind pattern that is not localised to the USA, as I demonstrated in my video above where similar circular 'ripples' emanate out from epicentres over Phillippines, eastern India, and the central Indian Ocean just yesterday (where, I will add, an impressive surface-level storm cell has now developed. Will have satellite photos of this tomorrow once all of today's imagery has come through, and will redo a closeup of the Indian Ocean pings which occurred just to the west of where this surface storm front has developed).

Re: What natural (or unnatural ?) phenomenon can cause these curious wind patterns?

by hlg » Sat May 23, 2020 4:23 am

Maol wrote: Wed May 20, 2020 9:48 am I think you are referring to the Chicxulub impact crater? The center of it is buried beneath the north coast of theYucatán Peninsula in Mexico, approximately 700 miles SE from the Texas location in the OP.
sorry, i did not remember that right then... thanks

if we think of strong updraft not only in terms of less dense due to water vapor but as electrical interactions, then there should be a deflection in earths magnetic field... (right hand rule)

so i had expected a strong rotating component in the "updraft"-current.

Re: What natural (or unnatural ?) phenomenon can cause these curious wind patterns?

by JP Michael » Fri May 22, 2020 5:52 am

For those who have no idea what we're talking about, I made two videos of the phenomenon.

USA - 1st May through 22nd May

Indian Ocean - 12th May through 22nd May

Re: What natural (or unnatural ?) phenomenon can cause these curious wind patterns?

by JP Michael » Thu May 21, 2020 8:47 am

I think I have a culprit for the surface-level "mushroom" winds:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downburst

Surely, there is an upburst variant that the wind maps are clearly demonstrating (and no-one seems to have studied much: upburst doesn't even show up on wiki as a thing).

Basically reverse the wind direction of a downburst. Instead of being cloud-to-ground, I suspect these are violent ground-to-cloud movements of electric current which causes the burst of wind.

Re: What natural (or unnatural ?) phenomenon can cause these curious wind patterns?

by Osmosis » Wed May 20, 2020 11:27 pm

Perhaps a very large Kimberlite pipe?
Osmosis

Re: What natural (or unnatural ?) phenomenon can cause these curious wind patterns?

by Maol » Wed May 20, 2020 9:48 am

I think you are referring to the Chicxulub impact crater? The center of it is buried beneath the north coast of theYucatán Peninsula in Mexico, approximately 700 miles SE from the Texas location in the OP.

Re: What natural (or unnatural ?) phenomenon can cause these curious wind patterns?

by hlg » Tue May 19, 2020 2:56 pm

very interesting patterns in the uppermost posting...

isn't that the exact location where some 65 mio years ago a comet is said to have ended life of the dinosaurs?

the rim of the crater is right below the shown rims in the wind pattern above texas and gulf, if i remember that right...

linked to this event perhaps if that "impact" theory gets at least the location right? i do believe more in an thunderbolt-like event...

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-21709229

Re: What natural (or unnatural ?) phenomenon can cause these curious wind patterns?

by Maol » Tue May 19, 2020 1:30 pm

JP Michael wrote: Tue May 19, 2020 1:02 pm
Maol wrote: Tue May 19, 2020 10:17 am Was the example in Australia accompanied with a heavy precipitation event?
The opposite. We had a sudden and severe heatwave that day. But I was referring only to surface phenomenon; we had no upper-atmospheric 'ping' event, and I could not find evidence of any such upper-atmosphere disturbances during the Australian severe weather events back in January.
Maol wrote:As the event in Texas occurred in the middle of the night, it leads to ponder if a large mass of H2O entered the atmosphere from an extra-terrestrial source, such as the portion of the magnetotail H2O plasmoid that snaps back toward the planet when the larger portion breaks off the tail and is ejected into, or torn away by, the passing solar wind.

It is known Earth's magnetosphere contains H2O plasma and provides OH/H2O to the lunar surface when the Moon passes through the magnetotail.

When a magnetotail plasmoid ejection event occurs, might not some of the earthbound portion of the H2O plasmoid impinge upon the lower atmosphere when the magnetohydrodynamic force accelerates it back toward the planet. By this means a relatively large mass of H2O, and associated electric charge, could enter the atmosphere at a particular location or region in a short period of time, and consequently, a weather event of lightning, golf ball size hail, heavy rain and wind, all emanating outward from a central locale.
It's an interesting hypothesis. Note that water has multiple charge phases: OH-, H3O+, H5O2+. Whether these can survive energetic plasma environments such as a plasmoid ejection event someone else can produce some papers, etc.

What is interesting about the US event is that there is not just a single ping, but double. And this occurs more than once, double each time. I find it hard to believe that a randomly occuring twinned-'plasmoid ejection event' would happen in the roughly the same location of the US upper atmosphere on 3 separate occasions.
I find it hard to believe that a randomly occuring twinned-'plasmoid ejection event' would happen in the roughly the same location of the US upper atmosphere on 3 separate occasions.
No reason it couldn't diverge into separate plasmoids if it encounters turbulence or perhaps some localized disturbance in the Earth's magnetic field or perhaps high altitude wind.

Re: What natural (or unnatural ?) phenomenon can cause these curious wind patterns?

by JP Michael » Tue May 19, 2020 1:02 pm

Maol wrote: Tue May 19, 2020 10:17 am Was the example in Australia accompanied with a heavy precipitation event?
The opposite. We had a sudden and severe heatwave that day. But I was referring only to surface phenomenon; we had no upper-atmospheric 'ping' event, and I could not find evidence of any such upper-atmosphere disturbances during the Australian severe weather events back in January.
Maol wrote:As the event in Texas occurred in the middle of the night, it leads to ponder if a large mass of H2O entered the atmosphere from an extra-terrestrial source, such as the portion of the magnetotail H2O plasmoid that snaps back toward the planet when the larger portion breaks off the tail and is ejected into, or torn away by, the passing solar wind.

It is known Earth's magnetosphere contains H2O plasma and provides OH/H2O to the lunar surface when the Moon passes through the magnetotail.

When a magnetotail plasmoid ejection event occurs, might not some of the earthbound portion of the H2O plasmoid impinge upon the lower atmosphere when the magnetohydrodynamic force accelerates it back toward the planet. By this means a relatively large mass of H2O, and associated electric charge, could enter the atmosphere at a particular location or region in a short period of time, and consequently, a weather event of lightning, golf ball size hail, heavy rain and wind, all emanating outward from a central locale.
It's an interesting hypothesis. Note that water has multiple charge phases: OH-, H3O+, H5O2+. Whether these can survive energetic plasma environments such as a plasmoid ejection event someone else can produce some papers, etc.

What is interesting about the US event is that there is not just a single ping, but double. And this occurs more than once, double each time. I find it hard to believe that a randomly occuring twinned-'plasmoid ejection event' would happen in the roughly the same location of the US upper atmosphere on 3 separate occasions.

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