Elisabeth Rose wrote:Can you elaborate at all on these reversals you talk of?
At the moment I am confined to observations only. Obviously 'experts' on oceanic currents will have warm/cool water explanations for these, but I can only wonder if there is more to the picture we are missing.
Below I have illustrated the seasonal variation in the Indian ocean, between Indonesia to the east, Sri Lanka and India in the North, and East Africa/Madagascar in the west. I have not yet compared with earlier seasons to see if there are regular patterns of current movement.
Other important currents exist mostly in the equatorial oceanic regions between continents, eg. in the Atlantic between West Africa and Brazil; in the Pacific between Colombia/Ecuador/Central America across Kiribati to Papua New Guinea, Indonesia and Philippines.
Other currents, like that orginating from the Carribean and flowing north-east up the eastern US coast before dissipating into the Atlantic, and that originating south-east from the Cape of Good Hope, South Africa, and then circling the Antarctic continent in an easterly direction, do not seem to have seasonal variation.
Figure 1. 1st January, 2019
Figure 2. 1st March, 2019
Figure 3. 1st June, 2019
Figure 4. 1st September, 2019
Figure 5. 1st December, 2019
Figure 6. 1st January, 2020
Figure 7. 1st March, 2020
Cargo wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:22 am
I would throw some 'water' on the premise of surface disruption effect being electrical. We must remember that different medium can have drastically different factors, and nothing can sometimes be more different then a body of water and open air. Most of the different water surface distortions are caused by fast moving air currents rolling and pushing along the surface. Sailors use this sighing skill to find where the wind is coming or going.
But what is wind more than the movement of charged particles (ions and electrons) and their accompanying neutral gaseous particles? To me, wind rolling along an alternate body of differing charge potential, like a lake or ocean, is going to be a cause of various electrical phenomenon.
This leads me to wonder how are these ionised particles in wind interacting with water surfaces? Water itself has an ionisation potential of 12.61 eV. Does water 'evaporate' to form clouds because of heat/sunlight, or because heat/sunlight gave it enough energy to get ionised and become electrically responsive to current already in the air? Does wind cause waves because of resonant electrical energies it is
imparting to the surface layer of the water? And let us not forget, of course, that water is one of the most fundamental of dipolar molecules. Even without ionisation it still has its own dipole moment based entirely on its molecular geometry. That's why water is so good as a solvent: it can act as positive or negative as required, able to carry ions (eg. Na+) and anions (eg. Cl-). Even without being ionised, shouldn't we expect water's natural dipole moment to want to respond to outside electrical stimulus, like that originating from the atmosphere?
I do understand the importance of boundaries between different bodies. The surface of the ocean is clearly a boundary condition between the body of water and the body of gaseous atmosphere, in the same way that the ground surface is a boundary between solid earth and gaseous atmosphere. And there are boundaries within regions, eg. troposphere vs. ionosphere. What has not been researched (much? at all?) is the precise interaction of
current, be it ionic or electrons, between these regions and their respective manifestations as volcanism/thunderstorm (earth <-> atmosphere) and thunderstorm/hurricane (water <-> atmosphere), let alone what is actually happening with electrical current in the ocean itself.
It seems to me there are some important boundaries to consider in Earth's overall electric circuitry:
Core <-> Mantle
Mantle <-> Atmosphere (volcanoes)
Mantle <-> Crust
Mantle <-> Ocean (ie underwater volcanoes)
Crust <-> Atmosphere (land to air)
Crust <-> Ocean (underwater land to water)
Ocean <-> Atmosphere (water to air)
Atmosphere <-> Space (air to solar system circuit)
How an electrical current is going to travel through each of these mediums will differ, as well as how charge buildup and balancing between each of the relevant boundaries will also manifest. It is an extremely complex system to understand.
[quote="Elisabeth Rose"]Can you elaborate at all on these reversals you talk of?[/quote]
At the moment I am confined to observations only. Obviously 'experts' on oceanic currents will have warm/cool water explanations for these, but I can only wonder if there is more to the picture we are missing.
Below I have illustrated the seasonal variation in the Indian ocean, between Indonesia to the east, Sri Lanka and India in the North, and East Africa/Madagascar in the west. I have not yet compared with earlier seasons to see if there are regular patterns of current movement.
Other important currents exist mostly in the equatorial oceanic regions between continents, eg. in the Atlantic between West Africa and Brazil; in the Pacific between Colombia/Ecuador/Central America across Kiribati to Papua New Guinea, Indonesia and Philippines.
Other currents, like that orginating from the Carribean and flowing north-east up the eastern US coast before dissipating into the Atlantic, and that originating south-east from the Cape of Good Hope, South Africa, and then circling the Antarctic continent in an easterly direction, do not seem to have seasonal variation.
[b]Figure 1. 1st January, 2019[/b]
[img]https://www.dropbox.com/s/52txjl07zpz9s4x/01%20Jan%202019.png?raw=1[/img]
[b]Figure 2. 1st March, 2019[/b]
[img]https://www.dropbox.com/s/sbivq4tnfnq2gc4/02%20Mar%202019.png?raw=1[/img]
[b]Figure 3. 1st June, 2019[/b]
[img]https://www.dropbox.com/s/uy8xawvx09ktrc6/03%20Jul%202019.png?raw=1[/img]
[b]Figure 4. 1st September, 2019[/b]
[img]https://www.dropbox.com/s/2mtl04bzk4eqjz1/04%20Sep%202019.png?raw=1[/img]
[b]Figure 5. 1st December, 2019[/b]
[img]https://www.dropbox.com/s/vcnr7zf9mxiyu22/05%20Dec%202019.png?raw=1[/img]
[b]Figure 6. 1st January, 2020[/b]
[img]https://www.dropbox.com/s/qyfkb26h2qkuc8e/06%201%20Jan%202020.png?raw=1[/img]
[b]Figure 7. 1st March, 2020[/b]
[img]https://www.dropbox.com/s/7j3t3sa06sarwmp/07%20Mar%202020.png?raw=1[/img]
[quote=Cargo post_id=1239 time=1583284971 user_id=6759]
I would throw some 'water' on the premise of surface disruption effect being electrical. We must remember that different medium can have drastically different factors, and nothing can sometimes be more different then a body of water and open air. Most of the different water surface distortions are caused by fast moving air currents rolling and pushing along the surface. Sailors use this sighing skill to find where the wind is coming or going.[/quote]
But what is wind more than the movement of charged particles (ions and electrons) and their accompanying neutral gaseous particles? To me, wind rolling along an alternate body of differing charge potential, like a lake or ocean, is going to be a cause of various electrical phenomenon.
This leads me to wonder how are these ionised particles in wind interacting with water surfaces? Water itself has an ionisation potential of 12.61 eV. Does water 'evaporate' to form clouds because of heat/sunlight, or because heat/sunlight gave it enough energy to get ionised and become electrically responsive to current already in the air? Does wind cause waves because of resonant electrical energies it is [i]imparting[/i] to the surface layer of the water? And let us not forget, of course, that water is one of the most fundamental of dipolar molecules. Even without ionisation it still has its own dipole moment based entirely on its molecular geometry. That's why water is so good as a solvent: it can act as positive or negative as required, able to carry ions (eg. Na+) and anions (eg. Cl-). Even without being ionised, shouldn't we expect water's natural dipole moment to want to respond to outside electrical stimulus, like that originating from the atmosphere?
I do understand the importance of boundaries between different bodies. The surface of the ocean is clearly a boundary condition between the body of water and the body of gaseous atmosphere, in the same way that the ground surface is a boundary between solid earth and gaseous atmosphere. And there are boundaries within regions, eg. troposphere vs. ionosphere. What has not been researched (much? at all?) is the precise interaction of [i]current[/i], be it ionic or electrons, between these regions and their respective manifestations as volcanism/thunderstorm (earth <-> atmosphere) and thunderstorm/hurricane (water <-> atmosphere), let alone what is actually happening with electrical current in the ocean itself.
It seems to me there are some important boundaries to consider in Earth's overall electric circuitry:
Core <-> Mantle
Mantle <-> Atmosphere (volcanoes)
Mantle <-> Crust
Mantle <-> Ocean (ie underwater volcanoes)
Crust <-> Atmosphere (land to air)
Crust <-> Ocean (underwater land to water)
Ocean <-> Atmosphere (water to air)
Atmosphere <-> Space (air to solar system circuit)
How an electrical current is going to travel through each of these mediums will differ, as well as how charge buildup and balancing between each of the relevant boundaries will also manifest. It is an extremely complex system to understand.