Geology - cosmetics corrections

[rangerover777]

Thanks for the positive thoughts,

Before “diving” into gravity issues, let me just say one thing : We are actually debating
whether “the tree can hold so many oranges without breaking down”, ignoring the roots
of this tree, how it grows in the first place and what it’s composition.
Or in other words, unless we agree on a Sound Base / Atom structure / Building blocks
of matter - we are counter productive and for sure will not get anywhere…
This is the illness of all scientific conversations - start from above and assuming you
already know and agree what’s below…

That does not mean you have to agree with me, though it’s good to keep in mind that
the greatest confusion comes from “agreements or disagreements based on NO BASE”.

One small thing before go back to gravity. My building blocks (not really mine though)
are simply North & South individual magnets. And the reasons for that are :
1. They have natural orbit (like in a bar magnet or earth), this orbit can be squeezed down
to orbit the Atom or expand up, to rotate a galaxy.
2. They are very fast (so you can make the whole wave spectrum with them).
3. They are oscillating (so we can produce all kind of vibrations).
4. They have two poles, so they have orientation, they know were to go and where to exit.
5. Their orbits can simulate any curved lines (just look up in the night sky and see no straight
lines, no square shapes). All stars, moon, planets, galaxies, even the so called “Black Holes”
all are curved or ball like.
6. As waves they can run in straight line, including the visible light.
7. They are the base for electricity (unless you convinced me otherwise…) or ask Michael Faraday…
8. They have natural attraction and repulsion, which is exactly what is needed to build matter (attraction),
keep objects in orbit or just spin galaxies (spinning of magnets occur between two attracting
and repelling poles). They contract the muscles (attraction).
9. They run through the nervous system of any living creature, pass information from / to the brain,
control our movement and our senses (smelling contract the nerves, hearing…,etc.).

And many other basic NATURAL inherited features and qualities.

Now back to gravity, forget for a second how it made. Gravity attract any matter because any
matter made of atoms and any atom made of magnets. Nothing complicated, just simple logic.

In my mind gravity is not an isolated mysterious force that have no grandparents, parents,
children and grand-children. On the contrary - it’s a part of an organic family that affected and
effected by each member.

Which explained by Ed Leedskalnin :
“Gravitation must be caused by the matter in the middle of the earth, and more concentrated than
Uranium. When Uranium atoms burst they release the North and South pole individual magnets
that held the atom together, then the magnets scatter all around, but when the atoms burst in the
middle of the earth, and many burst at the same time, they can only run from the middle to the
outside. When the North and South pole magnets are running alongside each other and in the same direction, they have no attraction for the other kind. They only attract if they are running one kind
against the other kind. When the magnets are running out of the middle of the earth, as soon as they
meet an object they attract it, on account of the fact that in any object there is both kinds of
magnets in it. It can be seen by ……..”


Now, I’m asking : We already have a good candidates for building blocks (as described above),
we may test them, run them in different ways and combinations, test and see how they behave,
measure and make calculation. See if it’s true or not.
But why to re-invent the wheel, when we already have a good start ???

Cheers

[webolife]

Kevin,
Your "surface" is still defined entirely with reference to the centroid of the system. Case in point... the walls and ceiling of your local cave would not fit the definition of your "surface". I regard the centroid also as a reference point. What you refer to as the aether still is pushing both the moon and the earth around that reference point. If I call it the barycenter or center of gravity, that is still the direction of push. Nothing, ie no mass, needs to be there at the center, just as in a basketball, but the "reference" point you are referring to is still right there at the centroid. Newton's calculus describes this simply and directly. If the centropic force is called aether pressure, or electrostatic, or EMF, or N/S magnets, or gravity, does it really matter?

[kevin]

Rangerover 777,
Your reference to the tree, really dovetails into Weboflifes reference to Newton.
I wish that apple had hit him a little harder on the head, he may have thought about it more?
What did the apple weigh when it was a part of the tree?
not what it weighs when it is in the influence of this earths gravity, but when it was in the gravity of the tree?

They do weigh when attached, I have a large apple tree , and it nearly hits the ground when it is full of apples, but nobody, litterally nobody has weighed them when they are still attached to the tree, nobody has weighed a tree when it is still operating, only when it is detached from the gravity it creates.

I am an oddball dowser, so this is from that perspective,
the tree alters gravity, it does so at will and in connection with the altering condition it finds itself in ( there are exeptions, that stay turned on permanately, green )
If I wander around a tree, I detect a field, the tree fits its field, if I think of that field below ground level it is spinning in the opposite direction.
The tree grows from a seed, ON THE SURFACE.
It grows up into space, and down into the earth, up into negative, down into positive, they are electric.

They appear to be able to influence that field, litterally becoming one spin above and below ground, thus they then are simply in the field of the planet, the alteration in the point of least gravity vanishs, and that point is above the tree, and so the water drops back out of the tree, the leaves dry up , and it hibernates.
When the condition alters about it, it switchs back to dual spin and water lifts up inside the tree, because gravity alters due to the field condition about the tree.
When the apple disconnects, it does so electrically, litterally loosing connection.
The seed that finds itself precisely positioned upon a matrix is the one that will survive best and prosper best, I check such geeky things, the Oaks are past masters at this, as are the yews.

Gravity is to do with field, not purely created by mass, the field of this planet is created in a matrix point, which will have a geometric centre point, but that point is just a point on many lines that continue , not a finite point where anything ends.
I think past cultures have realised about the tree, and worshipped it, rightly so, it knows how to operate in universe.

I am a walking talking antennae, my antennae are my hands and feet, I operate in the dual system of positive and negative, it is to be found at the surface, where all life is created, that surface can be every level of a hundred story block of flats, the surface of any mass is the surface, the mass is created by this system and interacts with it, Ed Leedskin will have realised this, and I consider he was a dowser, he knew how the moon altered the field dependant upon its position, then how to create a temporary field about a block of mass, that field will have diverted the push onto the mass, thus causing an opposite push, as that field quickly diminished , so the field about the planet reverted the weight of the mass back to normal, resonance is how he will have created the field, very specific resonance to the corral.
Gravity will alter from the poles to the equater, its all about field, Biefeld-Brown, by field, but your eyes are fooled.
Kevin

[webolife]

A little too "oddball" for me, but as Junglelord said elsewhere, I may be calling the kettle black.

[kevin]

Webolife,
I fully realise how the dowser is viewed by the majority, its only natural.
Think of me as the practical link between the theory and the unseen.
It all boils down to nature, it is awesome and very humbling, we are a consequence of the surface of this planet.
Not from above or below at all, the surface of an electrical planet, with its capacitor other plate the ionosphere.
Everything is focussed to the surface, a few oddballs such as myself are more atuned to a broader spectrum of events pertaining to the surface.
It will take a good deal of cooperation from a very broad spectrum of differing skills to fully realise this quantum universe, hang in there until its time to put the kettle on, and we can all have a brew together.
It may seem like Alices teaparty, because it is, and all things are not as previously thought.
Kevin

[Grey Cloud]

Gentlemen,
Please, please continue this discussion, it is really interesting. Kevin and Webolife, you are both 'pushing buttons' in my head. Eh? For several months now I have had certain thoughts floating around in my mind but every time I try to focus or concentrate on them they disappear (I'm sure they laugh as they go). Now Kevin with his surface, and Webolife with his centre, are giving me something tangible to work with.
It is something to do with the Greek concept of a circle with a point in the centre, where the point is the circumference and the circumference is the centre. I don't get it but Blaise Pascal seems to have done. I have the feeling that we, humans, are somehow looking at things inside out or back to front or something.

I realise that this sounds mental but that is only because I can't put into words what I can 'see' in my head.
Anyway, keep it up and Rangerover777, sorry for hijacking your thread but I'm sure you will have a piece of the puzzle.

[redeye]

Hi Kevin. Your description of a tree reminds me of lightning, discharging both up and down from the stratosphere. I think volcanic plumes are a manifestation of the same energy, different layer and different medium. Plants have found a really good way of exploiting this...potential difference???

Dowsing and astrology where the first two things that sprung to mind when I came across this website.

Cheers!

[webolife]

OK , Phil, you asked for it!
I read Pascal's Pensees in French, but over 40 years ago, and only vaguely recall his center-circumference symmetry. I'm surprised at myself for not searching it out earlier, as Pascal's work in fluid pressure, along with Descartes' conception of light pressure, has much to bear on my UFT. When the CMB was first discovered, I knew intuitively that it indicated a "point" origin*, as was surmised by the big bangers , while at the same time presumed as a field "background" (circumference/sphere). What it confirmed for me in the mid-80's, however, was not an expanding universe (which I knew, also intuitively, to be a false hope), but rather that the universe was finite. As such it's geometry is that of the atom, and vice-versa, leading to the unified field. Our universe is the centroid of an infinite centropic force field Now I know several of the EU experts here dispute the cosmic background thesis, on the belief that the CMB is rather of local interstellar/interplanetary origin... I awaiting more evidence of the kind of shifting of readings as would be expected of a more local radiation source. Well, now I've showed yet another hand... hopefully y'all won't deal me out?

*Sorry APM-ers, I know you don't like point-particles.

Now this post is a bit afield of the thread line... sorry. I don't particular get the "cosmetics" title anyway Supposed to be "cosmology"?

[rangerover777]

Thanks for the diversified thoughts,

I think we are spreading faster then the universe on this thread (if the universe
is spreading at all) to many directions (maybe gravity would help here…lol).
Originally it’s about Geology - the accepted theories and the flaws it carry with (that’s
why it’s Cosmetic Corrections), new insights and thoughts.

Since geology ties to a broad field of seemingly unrelated subjects, it’s nice and refreshing
to hear new thoughts around geology (Kevin’s apple tree is a nice one, for instance) from
very unexpected directions.

I think that if our goal is to understand something new from this discussion, it would be
productive to emphasize the ties to one or more aspects of geology as the idea itself.
Don’t mean to preach or to set rules, just organized it a bit so everyone could benefit from that.

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Driving through a terrain area yesterday, I watched the different layers of rocks, soil, sediments
and minerals. Thinking that they were built over billions of years makes it a fascinating phenomena,
if you don’t take it for granted, or think you already know how it came to be. Beside looking into the past straight in it’s eyes, there was another aspect to that. Much of what I saw was organic life
that transformed into those layers. Thinking that all the trees, bees, elephants, sharks, dinosaurs,
plants, etc. that ever lived on earth, transformed into minerals. All these life forms where fed by
the sunlight, water and nutrition from the land. From plants, vegetables and up through the food chain.

So somehow light become matter, it absorbing into plants and become part of it - physical atoms…
We eat it and grow and then die and become minerals…
Now if you take the total amount of all living creatures ever lived on this planet, it sums up to a huge
number of trillions of tons. Though most of it is flash and water, some of it can from the sun and some
maybe even came from distant stars.

So maybe earth is growing slowly ? Surface minerals are sinking down into the earth interior and blend
with others. Gravity take charge and create layers. Heavier minerals are sinking faster, lighter ones are
being pushed to the surface and a transformation on a grand scale is going on.

Also meteors are coming daily and adding to earth mass and over time all this adds up.
I wonder how much earth is growing and in what rate ? And how this process reflected in earth
geology and composition ?


Cheers

[kevin]

Rangerover777,
I have a large and varied collection of rocks all around where i am sat here.
lots of quartz and limestones , pebbles and all manner of rocks, i was fortunate to be sent some pieces of the ringing rocks from Pennsylvania, they are astonishing, the natives there called them LIVING ROCKS, they are similer to life, by my strange way of looking at things.
All the rocks interact with space, they all refract, reflect, accumulate , due to the differing chirality of their crytalline structure space STUFF.
I don't know what this STUFF is, but I consider it coalesces into matter , and then further coalesces into mass.
Everything though is always ONE, this space stuff.
Don't just view such as pyramids as objects, imagine what the materials they are made of interact with what flows into them, how that material accumulates space, think electrically.
It makes everything, and everything remains it always, nothing is seperate, just held in a different condition.
We have been TOLD about age, all in linear fashion, but if the condition changes, and thus changes the method of dating things presently used, then the whole idea about ages etc needs thinking about.
Imagine if a huge inflow of space dissolved all the surface of this planet off in seconds, and pushed and pulled the layers left all over, what is said to be millions of years, may be tens of thousands, whatever TIME actually is, it my be circuler , repeating over and over again.
kevin

[rangerover777]

I was looking at the Webster definition for Geology and that’s what it says :
“1. A science that deals with the history of the earth and its life especially as recorded in rocks.
2. A study of the solid matter of a celestial body (as the moon)”.

Thinking about it, it’s actually a quite narrow window and isolated field, though any field of
science is like a Hub that have many inputs and outputs. Relating fields for instance :
1. Wave guide of earth - Tesla, Ed Leedskalnin and James H. Rogers clearly showing how
radio waves are propagating through the earth (land and sea) (through the air they disappear
at very short distance). Tesla claims that earth is like billions of electric pipes and beside
radio waves, electricity could be pass as well. This is part of Geology that ignored…
See links :
“The True Wireless” - by N. Tesla http://www.leedskalnin.net/tesla-1.htm
“Sub Sea Radio” - by James H. Rogers http://www.leedskalnin.net/Radio-1.htm
“Underground Radio” - by James H. Rogers http://www.leedskalnin.net/radio-2.htm
2. Transformation of organic matter and earth growth - does not seems to capture a serious
attention so far.
3. Schumann Resonance (7.8, 14.3, 20.8, 27.3 and 33.8 Hz.), is only a thin thread, that was
not fully explored and can have a great impact on current geology.
4. “How water came to earth” currently imply the poor explanation - by asteroids and comets.
Water plays such a major role in geology, that it’s almost irresponsible to leave that question
for later investigation… Or maybe water being produce right here, on earth (like Oxygen by
trees and plants) ? Though, this is just an assumption, an answer is needed here.
5. Like Kevin said - rocks, soil, elements & minerals are a live.
And here is a question : What do you call life ? Does it have to be organic ? If Silica for
instance can absorbed certain wave and transmit it out in a different wavelength depending
on it’s individual characteristics, then each Silica rock have a “personality” (to some extent
of course). Or if minerals have a role in our living body, should not they considered as
part of life ? If Uranium emits radioactive waves, isn’t it’s a live ?
Geology in general does not attempt to find life in non-organic matters, or at least don’t
deal with the ties in a proper manner.
6. Earth, moon, sun, planets and other stars Geology have a very strong ties to astronomy and
astrophysics. I don’t mean Aether (which I’m not ruling out), but co-relation, transformation of
matter, light and other waves are highly interacting between geology and “out of the box” events.
7. Looking for organic life on Mars, just so you could say “We found life outside earth” is irrelevant.
If you can find how the constant transformation of matter is encompass this universe, you realize
that there is life everywhere. So Geology needs to wake up…
8. Radiocarbon test and spectrometry in general, for some reasons I don’t quite trust, since I think
the basic Atom structure and how matter is made - are not fully understood yet. But this is
my opinion.

This is only a partial list. I think by defining Geology or any other scientific filed, you actually
building “protective walls” around them, that prevent access in or out from that field…..
The funny part is that by trying to be precise / scientific / categorized / define - you actually
limit yourself for being open to nature…

Cheers

[kevin]

Rangerover777,
Excellent deductions.
A couple of things, uranium, when they dig it up, A, they shouldn't , But B, it will begin to emitt a powerfull set of signals due to the fact that it has been moved from where it was formed, this will apply to all rocks from other celestial bodies, ie, the moon , mars etc, they will not be regulated to the condition on the surface of this planet, and will need a long time to aclimatise as such.
I do a lot of research into ancient megalithic structures, and the movement of one substance from point A to point B is not recognised because they have now normalised to the condition of their new position.
when they were first utilised the change in condition will have been part of their reason for utilisation, if you take the so called bluestones of stone henge, they are from several hundred miles away in mountainous welsh hills, speckled dolorite I believe.
The point where they were formed on a matrix grid will have resulted in them having specific charecteristics relevant to that point, we are totally blind to this at present, they are just stones now.
They may well have almost glowed for a long period of time?
We all know quartz holds a charge, and if pressure is applied it discharges, well consider carefully what pressure is?
If you were to apply a pressure of charge to a highly alternatively charged circle ( in series ) of stones, perhaps the resultant discharges were utilised, especially inter dimensionally?

We tend to view everything from a 3d mass perspective, attributing all occurances as the consequence of the mass creating them, instead of thinking.
We should think of how space interacts with all differing types of mass, in unique and variant manners, we especially need to stop viewing universe from this perspective, all you are doing is recognising what you KNOW, there may be 5d , 6d etc life forms on other planets, but we have no way of recognising them, we are stuck with machines that enchance 3d.

When the Spanish landed in the Americas, it is said that the resident Natives never saw the ships, they would have no recognition of any such thing, so they would not have recognised them, this is how we are at present, blind to what we do not recognise.
The rocks are alive, because everything is ONE, everything is made of and from space and space is within and a vast part of everything, and is still the mass , it is just held in each condition relative to that conditions specific sort of signature.
Instead of raping this planet, we should recognise the source of everything, and go direct to source, it is infinite, the earth is finite.
We probably could make all the energy we need, all the material to build , everything we could possibly ever neeed from space, it has already done that, we do not recognise that every rock is equivelant to a massive compression of space, it should be respected and left alone.
Kevin , waffling.

[webolife]

Good comments, RR777.
This is exactly the reason, though I was still young and inexperienced at the time , that in 1972 in chose Earth Science as my major. Astronomy, Geology, Oceanography, Meterology, Biology, Physics, and Chemistry, all rolled up in one. By the time I had finished all the science and teaching courses and their math prerequisites, I had nearly enough math for a minor, so that's what I did. I was totally steeped in traditional science in every area, and have had to study earth "cosmetology" (thanks for the clarification) ever since. In fact I sometimes joke that I majored in evolution, from stars to snails. Unlearning has been a challenging and fun lifestyle these past 34 years.
My pursuit of the unified field and of catastrophic earth science have been a partnership througfh those years. Finding EU just 4 years ago has had a lightning-bolt-like effect on what had been a slow and lonely process. You all have made me review and add to my meager and cursory understanding of electricity, and I thank you all for that. You will notice in my posts, this thread and others, that I've had to consider seriously how to marry the evidences supporting traditional views with evidences supporting catastrophism and unification of forces. Marriage connotes here that all the evidences must support the one understanding. I'm not there yet, but I believe I "know" this: When all is known, and I will be able to explain it to a child... better yet, a child will be able to explain it to me. 'Til then, I enjoy learning all this together with you all.

[rangerover777]

Nicely said webolife life,

I wish many teachers like you will teach one day a different more homogeneous science ARTS.
But before that we have to “unlearn” and re-learn as you said.

Also if you think for a moment, the division between the different fields of science - should
change as well. They does not fit thier definitions anymore. First because if the division will be
according to a new building blocks (that I hope will be revealed soon), and how they are creating
this specific field. And second, the fields should be called by their ties to other fields.


Also many phenomenas names should be changed. For instance if Plasma is just a
another manifestation of more basic building Blocks - then Plasma name should
called accordingly.

I hope with more people like you, our next generations will be educated better then us…

Good Luck

[Grey Cloud]

I found the Pascal quote I was looking for:

Pensee 72.
Let man then contemplate the whole of nature in her full and grand majesty, and turn his vision from the low objects which surround him. Let him gaze on that brilliant light, set like an eternal lamp to illumine the universe; let the earth appear to him a point in comparison with the vast circle described by the sun; and let him wonder at the fact that this vast circle is itself but a very fine point in comparison with that described by the stars in their revolution round the firmament. But if our view be arrested there, let our imagination pass beyond; it will sooner exhaust the power of conception than nature that of supplying material for conception. The whole visible world is only an imperceptible atom in the ample bosom of nature. No idea approaches it. We may enlarge our conceptions beyond an imaginable space; we only produce atoms in comparison with the reality of things. It is an infinite sphere, the centre of which is everywhere, the circumference nowhere......
But to show him another prodigy equally astonishing, let him examine the most delicate things he knows. Let a mite be given him, with its minute body and parts incomparably more minute, limbs with their joints, veins in the limbs, blood in the veins, humours in the blood, drops in the humours, vapours in the drops. Dividing these last things again, let him exhaust his powers of conception, and let the last object at which he can arrive be now that of our discourse. Perhaps he will think that here is the smallest point in nature. I will let him see therein a new abyss. I will paint for him not only the visible universe, but all that he can conceive of nature's immensity in the womb of this abridged atom. Let him see therein an infinity of universes, each of which has its firmament, its planets, its earth, in the same proportion as in the visible world; in each earth animals, and in the last mites, in which he will find again all that the first had, finding still in these others the same thing without end and without cessation. Let him lose himself in wonders as amazing in their littleness as the others in their vastness. For who will not be astounded at the fact that our body, which a little while ago was imperceptible in the universe, itself imperceptible in the bosom of the whole,

Shades of the holographic universe there. I'll bet Junglelord will like it