Electric Comets

[nick c]

The claim about Tunguska meteorite fragments is apparently in dispute:
http://sattrackcam.blogspot.nl/2013/05/ ... -have.html

[seasmith]

After 110 years, are we surprised ?

cheers

[Gary]

I just watched the electric comet video, excellent stuff. I was wondering if anyone has a telescope pointed at ISON just now? I really don't believe this 5 km "dirty snowball" is what NASA is saying it is. If the information in the electric comet video is true then I think we need to be paying far more attention to this "comet of the century" than we are right now.

[madkevo]

It's currently behind the sun from our perspective, take a look at the orbital model here:
http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=i ... ;cad=0#orb
SOHO is at a modest offset from earth but due to it's relatively narrow field of view it(they?) will only see it in November anyhow:
http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/hotshots/index.html/

[msheakc]

This is a transcript of a video reply I made to the video "The Electric Comet | Full Documentary" posted on the ThunderboltsProject YouTube Channel. As the video response has not been posted yet (ThunderboltsProject channel admins have to approve it).

"The Electric Comet" video is very good at explaining an important aspect of the wider Electric Universe Theory. It has much in it that is hard to argue with. I personally think the quantity and quality of evidence in favor of the Electric Universe Theory has reached the point that, if we lived in a truly open-minded scientific society, it would be the standard model.

However, I cannot think about comets without thinking of the work of Tom Van Flandern. As I was thinking about my response to this video, Thunderbolts coincidentally posted the video "Weird Asteroid Points to Catastrophic Past" that mentions Tom's Exploded Planet Hypothesis and it successful prediction that asteroids with moons would be common. But then seems the reject the Exploded Planet Hypothesis in favor of what I will call the Electric Machining Hypothesis to explain the origins of meteors, asteroids and comets. Indeed The Electric Comet video presents strong evidence for Electric Machining of comets and on Jupiter's moon Io. Tom, on the other hand, was never interested in the Electric Universe, although I tried on a couple occasions, as a subscriber his site http://www.metaresearch.org, to peak his interest, with no success. However I think I see a synergy between the Exploded Planet Hypothesis and Electric Universe that strengthens both.

Here are five reasons why I do not think the Electric Machining Hypothesis provides a sufficient explanation of all solar system debris.

1. Tom Van Flandern came to the Exploded Planet Hypothesis after he studied the orbital characteristics of exploded Russian satellites that were detonated in tests of a Soviet anti-satellite warfare system. His statistical comparison of the orbiting fragments of these satellites to the asteroids and comets showed a strong correlation. I am not sure this would be the case with Electric Machining Hypothesis.

2. Dr. Van Flandern showed that the identification of certain meteorites as originating from Mars is questionable. The isotopic comparisons of trapped air bubbles in so-called "Martian Meteorites" with the solar system's various planetary atmospheres, makes Mars the most likely source for these meteorites, but the match was so poor as to leave open the question of a missing, exploded planet.

3. I am not sure Electric Machining would eject material at sufficient velocities to propel fragments destined to become comets into their highly eccentric orbits. Perhaps though.

4. Dr. Van Flandern insisted for long term stable moons of asteroids to exist a "central explosion" was required in order to prevent planetary debris from separating too quickly for the "spheres of influence" of larger fragments to gravitationally capture smaller nearby fragments. Electrical machining would, it seems to me, be flinging debris around on such random vectors as to make such capture unlikely.

5. And most astounding to me personally, The Electric Comet video seems to provide the answer to one vexing issue with Exploded Planet Hypothesis. What is the mechanism that would cause a planet to explode. I never found Tom's possible solutions for this very convincing. But when this video explained a fact that I was not aware of, that a Coronal Mass Ejection hit comet Elenin and it "exploded like a capacitor" the answer seemed obvious. Electric Universe theorists talk frequently about how electrical phenomenon scale from atomic to intergalactic scales. I can now see that a very large, very rare discharge event, either from our sun or from the galaxy directly could cause a planet to "explode like a capacitor". Such an explosion would satisfy the central explosion criterion, explain the high frequency of asteroids with stable moons, and generate the range of orbital characteristics seen in the asteroids and comets, and also in fragments of deliberately exploded man-made satellites.

I hope you find these comments useful. Continue the good work.

[Dotini]

I hope you find these comments useful. Continue the good work.

Thank you. Your comments are very interesting and useful. You are helping to make bridges between disciplines. Please make some more posts when it suits you.

Respectfully,
Steve

[Gary]

That's my point, it's currently behind the sun and going through the asteroid belt as far as I know. We can't see it but the stereo telescopes can. I'm just suggesting we should be paying more attention to this thing because we have no idea how it's going to interact with the asteroid belt. Surely this is interesting from a science point of view and a bit worrying from a potentially trajectory changing point of view, or am I missing something?

[Blue Progressive]

I agree totally with msheakc. I find it strange that EU theorists have not proposed exploding planets. And I find the standard EU explanation for the planetoid belts very inadequate at best. The evidence for the planetoid belts as caused by explosions is overwhelming, and it seems to me an electrical discharge might cause a planet to explode. Either that or it was done (to 4 planets) on purpose with plasma weapons, but there are asteroid belts and evidence of explosions in other solar systems, so it is probably a natural phenomenon.

[seasmith]

This is a transcript of a video reply I made to the video "The Electric Comet | Full Documentary" posted on the ThunderboltsProject YouTube Channel.

msheakc » Tue Jul 02


Is this the video that was pulled off utube and moved to vimeo, then apparently pulled again from vimeo on 8-05 ?
Watched it twice over the weekend, and if i recall correctly, the T'bolts assessment of asteroid origin has evolved some from the EDM only scenario written about by W. Thornhill in the past decade, to now include unspecified 'explosive' events .

Good video btw, so probably next step is for sale dvd.
Cogent comments above by you, as well.
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[GaryN]

I was looking into EMP shock metamorphosis as a possible mechanism for the material found around impact events, an idea which seems to have not been considered. The only place it has been considered is for meteors, but in that case it is from shocks induced in supernovas or other big explosive events. I did find this site though, which seems to have a lot of details that could be very useful for both Earth and space based objects, haven't had a chance to go into it in great detail yet.

Fact Guru: Meteorites.

http://www.site.uottawa.ca/~tcl/factgur ... index.html

[kiwi]

However, I cannot think about comets without thinking of the work of Tom Van Flandern. As I was thinking about my response to this video, Thunderbolts coincidentally posted the video "Weird Asteroid Points to Catastrophic Past" that mentions Tom's Exploded Planet Hypothesis and it successful prediction that asteroids with moons would be common. But then seems the reject the Exploded Planet Hypothesis in favor of what I will call the Electric Machining Hypothesis to explain the origins of meteors, asteroids and comets. Indeed The Electric Comet video presents strong evidence for Electric Machining of comets and on Jupiter's moon Io. Tom, on the other hand, was never interested in the Electric Universe, although I tried on a couple occasions, as a subscriber his site http://www.metaresearch.org, to peak his interest, with no success. However I think I see a synergy between the Exploded Planet Hypothesis and Electric Universe that strengthens both.

Wal Thornhill has consistantly referenced TVF in the time Ive known him, and the orbital "belt" of the Asteroids (as far as I know) he fits with the exploded Planet Hypothesis .... One force with many varied manifestations of it ... EDM surely has its place,... particular details for every rock doing the rounds is a big task I imagine, I would think that were a Planet-proto-Planet to have exploded from stress in the past, there would of been a lot of "action" prior to that final moment? .. with EDM featuring pre final catastrophic breakdown?

[4realScience]

@ msheakc


Your idea of an exploding planet like an exploding capacitor seems new and innovative, to me.

As the data on exoplanets continues to come in we see that many of these are very close to their suns. Perhaps our own system also once had a very close-in planet(s) that was destroyed by a CME in the way you say.



And, RIP Tom Van Flandern

[GaryN]

A new one on me, the Koldrin Bible that was supposedly written before the burning of Glastonbury Monastery, and tells of what they called the Desstroyer. The account sounds exactly like a close passing comet/meteor interacting with Earth. I just heard about this on the James McCanney science hour.
An introduction and selected quotes, but it seems the Bible has some very detailed descriptions of the event.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vatic ... ican12.htm

[Sparky]

Although I favor Wal's electric capacitor comet hypothesis, I still am looking for evidence that would suggest a resistive comet, maintaining an electrical connection to the solar wind, it's area of origin, and the sun.

[Sparky]

here is some propaganda, but good video...