Possible electrical scars on Planet Earth...

[solrey]

This might be a good place for an EU/PC repository.
Or personal publication.

Scribd

It's free. I just signed up so I don't know much about it, but I found this on a google search, that's how I ended up registering.

Plasma Phenomena - Pinch, Instabilities, Oscillations and waves

Anyone can upload pretty much anything. Looks like there's plenty of sciency stuff.

[mharratsc]

Wow, that was pretty cool stuff, Sol! You condensed lots of observable phenomena regarding plasma behaviors into a very concise way and clipped out most of the math- just the way I like it!

Nice work, bud!


Mike H.

[solrey]

Hate to burst your bubble, there Mike, but I'm not the author. I just found the paper and the site on a google search.
If and when I do upload something on Scribd, I'll let ya know.
But that plasma document was from hronoya.

Glad you liked it, though.

[GaryN]

There is a lot of neat stuff on there Solrey, by this hronoya member, if you look at his other entries. For sure, sites like that give mere mortals a place to voice their ideas. Sites like youtube are good for those doing video and animation, and reach a wide audience, though of course there can also be a lot of (IMO) rubbish on there. It's a matter of chipping away at the edges of mainstream science though, I doubt there will soon be a major
acceptance of the EU ideas, unless we can present a more lucid and cohesive front. The UE ideas can appear pretty divided, and there is some fringe stuff in there, yes, I'll include myself.
Back to the Antarctic for a moment. At the south pole we have a large land mass, at the north pole we have a large, though not too deep hole. Excavation and deposition in an electrical event?
(probably pushing the NIAMI boundary here)
If Miles can show that the orbit and orientation of the planets can be affected by charge, however derived, then why could not have earth at one time lain on its side, as does Uranus now? That way the idea of a polar sun makes sense, given a period of changed electrical activity in the solar system. It has been proposed that ice accumulation at the poles at one time made it keel over, but I think an electrical event could have made it happen more quickly,
while producing what seem to be electrical scars on the south pole. I wonder if there are images of the north pole sea bottom that show evidence of excavation?
(Quick search..)Can't find too much, but a rille might be a good start!

[solrey]

Found these maps here.

In these two topo maps, take notice of the continuous zig-zagging, trench from the top across the Arctic down the Atlantic, then continuing south past the equator to meet in a Y with a trench that runs to the tip of the Antarctic peninsula.

Arctic seafloor topography. Excavation. Reminds me of Enceladus. Hmmm, is that a hourglass pinch I see?




Antarctic topography. Deposition. Yin/Yang like corkscrewing, chaotic edges...Diocotron instability?



That would seem to fit the pattern for a global axially directed discharge, excavation on one pole, deposition or blistering on the other.

[mharratsc]

Oops! Well, tip-o-the-hat to the author then! I think that presentation of data in that fashion was an excellent intro piece to get people interested in the subject without going into 'formula overload'.

Gary- as to the 'hole on one end, hill on the other'... I'm pretty sure I read something from Thornhill regarding that very same notion but regarding Mars. Makes sense after all.

Mike H.

[GaryN]

Awesome solrey, I'm totally sold on this one already!

[MattEU]

stalagmites outside or mineral deposits and cave popcorn (cave coral)

On a small area of Malta's Blue Clay there are groups of what appears to be outdoor stalagmites (speleothems). There is no cave above them or anything close by where water/minerals could have dripped to create them, they are out in the open.

If they are mineral deposits how do they form there from a Geology point of view? They do look like they have been formed from something dripping above, you even have stalagmites coming upwards out of cave popcorn or cave coral as it is called.



stalagmites found outdoors?

One puzzling aspect of these no cave stalagmites or mineral deposits is the fact that they are on top and in Blue Clay. Malta's Blue Clay is meant to erode pretty quickly and flows down hillsides. How have these minerals formed quick enough so that the Blue Clay in this spot has not eroded? This patch of Blue Clay is unlike any other patch I have seen, looking very much like it has been exposed to heat or energy. Is this a clue in an Electric Universe? Have they been extruded or created from the material around them? Is this an example of the birth of rock on Earth in the EU?


Death Coral or Death Stalagmites?

Death Coral is something of a mystery to geology as it is found on cave floors rising upwards but there are no stalactites above them and the columns have flat edges. So they cant be stalagmites. How are they formed?

Are Death Coral and the Malta stalagmites/mineral deposits related in some way? How were the Malta formations created? Was it through some EU event in the past or are they still being formed? Has anyone seen anything like this elsewhere?

you can read more about these strange out of place formations here and there are a lot more photographs here.

[seasmith]

MattEU,

I'm supposing from the Malta geology info on your forum,
http://www.everythingselectric.com/foru ... topic=59.0
that the mother Blue Clay contains the same elements (calcium, sodium, phosphorous ? ) as the crystal growths.
Are they found at all elevations?
Are they more common in areas of night fog?
Have ground-level magnetic readings been taken where they occur?

Just musing,
s

[MattEU]

thanks for the musings, it has helped me to investigate and find new stuff Any and all ideas, theories or questions are welcome.

These are the only location i have found them and i have not heard or read of outside mineral deposits like these.

Malta very rarely gets fog, even mist or sea fog, which in itself is strange. It does have high humidity, a lot of salt in its sea, windy and has a lot of lightning activity. All indications of strong EU activity to me.

I have not managed to find out what the chemical makeup of the Blue Clay of Malta is, I will carry on looking. I got distracted by looking up the phosphorous part. The sodium in the clay would come from sea water from when it was formed (either then or now) or now from vapour or salt crystals.

There are 2 basic layers of phosphorous on Malta. The article at the bottom links them to a part of Sicily also. It seems there is something known as phosphogenesis that has occured around the world and it is linked to "hiatuses and phases". Not just in Malta but elsewhere.

The phosphate-rich beds are associated with hiatuses and phases of important condensation which, for the oldest phosphogenic period, envelop the time period of 23·2 to 22 Ma for the Fomm Ir Rhi Bay section (Malta) and from 19·1 to 16·3 Ma for the sections of Sampieri and Modica (Sicily).

Fomm Ir Rih Bay is where these outdoor stalagmites or mineral deposits are found.

The limestone that the Blue Clay flows out of is made up of

Globigerina Limestone is primarily composed of calcium carbonate in the form of calcite crystals cemented together by non-crystalline calcium carbonate. Beside calcite, Globigerina Limestone also contains clay minerals (up to 12% depending on stone type), quartz (up to 8%), feldspars, apatite and glauconite (Cassar 1999, 2002).
Heritage, Weathering and Conservation - Maltese Globigerina Limestone: Geology, use, composition and properties (google books)

I have not taken any readings yet as I dont know what to use. If anyone has any cheapish suggestions then please let me know. I wanted to take readings of local electrical levels etc but was informed that due to all the waves we are putting into the sky that to get a local reading would be to difficult. I also thought about resistance levels but not sure how to do this.

ABSTRACT

The Maltese archipelago and south-eastern Sicily include an Uppermost Oligocene to Upper Miocene hemipelagic sedimentary succession representing the Malta-Hyblean plateau, which limits the eastern Mediterranean to the west. This succession hosts a unique and well-exposed series of condensed and allochthonous phosphate-rich beds, which were formed in a sedimentary regime of erosion, sediment reworking and frequent gravity-flow deposition. The combination of nannofossil biostratigraphy and 87Sr/86Sr isotope stratigraphy allows for the precise attribution of ages to the phosphate deposits and for the distinction of three periods of major phosphogenesis. The first phase occurred between 24·5 and 21 Ma and 25 and 18·9 Ma (clustering of ages between 25 and 22·5 Ma) on Malta and Sicily, respectively. The second and third phases of phosphogenesis are documented from the Maltese Islands and are dated as 17·2 to 13·1 Ma and 10·9 to 9·8 Ma, respectively. The phosphate-rich beds are associated with hiatuses and phases of important condensation which, for the oldest phosphogenic period, envelop the time period of 23·2 to 22 Ma for the Fomm Ir Rhi Bay section (Malta) and from 19·1 to 16·3 Ma for the sections of Sampieri and Modica (Sicily). For the second phase of phosphogenesis on the Maltese Islands, a consistent hiatus was found which embraces the time period of approximately 17 to 15 Ma. Also the third phase of phosphogenesis appears to be associated with a major hiatus, which probably envelops the time period between 12·5 and 10·9 Ma, but a better age control is needed here.

The correspondence in timing of the Maltese-Sicilian phases of phosphogenesis with major phases of phosphogenesis outside the Mediterranean realm...
Stratigraphy and sedimentology of phosphate-rich sediments in Malta and south-eastern Sicily (latest Oligocene to early Late Miocene) - interscience.wiley .com

[seasmith]

Matt,

May also want to investigate Efflorescence of Crystals, as touched upon in this short article on Kartchner Caverens- a wonderful geologic montage that i visited earlier this year.

The dry Arizona desert also contributes
to cave mineral formation; e.g., the low relative humidity
causes the efflorescence of nitrocalcite in the entrance zone
of the cave.

http://www.caves.org/pub/journal/PDF/V6 ... ralogy.pdf

s

[MattEU]

thanks, looks amazing! will study it in more detail

what did you think of the explanations for the cave. its formations and minerals by geology compared to what you could see from and EU point of view?

[seasmith]

~


First, re the article. What makes Karchtner so interesting is the variety of contingent influences- drastic elevation changes (due to faulting- in itself an EM ambience, imo), the availability of different periodic elements and crystal seeds (other than the usual "shallow sea" inventory), the humidity/aridity differentials, the organic contributions and igneous intrusions.


My thoughts, while on the 90 min guided tour there were- 'what a subtle mix of hydro-dynamic mechanical (dripping) effects and
~Possibly EM growths ( like "efflorescence").


My guess is that even fractile growths, like for example Corals, or not just statistically random progressions; but instead are lead by an EM type field or morphogenic matrrix. No proofs to cite.

[MattEU]

If Kartchner Caverns are part of the EU and earths circuit then it will need things like circuits, energy in the form of power and materials and a physical construction that consist of layers of different types.

MINERALOGY OF KARTCHNER CAVERNS, ARIZONA
Unlike most limestone caves, Karchner is adjacent to an igneous and metamorphic terrain. Alaskite granite borders the Escabrosa Limestone along fault zones to the west and the Pinal Schist underlies the cave. These fault zones, within an active tectonic region with a high geothermalgradient, have previously acted as avenues for ascending hydrothermal solutions and for the formation of the minerals quartz, illite and rectorite. The dry Arizona desert also contributes to cave mineral formation; e.g., the low relative humidity causes the efflorescence of nitrocalcite in the entrance zone of the cave. Periodic flooding of the cave allows for pH-Eh conditions favorable for forming the mineral nontronite. Bats add the last ingredient, bringing phosphates and nitrates into the cave via their guano and urine.

humidity or lack of it means a change in the electrical nature of that area. Was that why you asked about night fog before because i always think of humidity as electrical and not just water vapour?

NITRATE MINERALS AND SPELEOTHEMS
The growth of nitrocalcite in the entrance passage correlates with episodes of low relative humidity in the winter months. A humidity of about 50% appears to be needed for the crystallization of nitrocalcite (Hill & Forti 1997), and this humidity needs to remain low before significant cotton can effloresce. These conditions correspond to a time in Kartchner when the cave is “breathing in”; that is, when cold, dry, winter air moves in along the entrance passage (Buecher 1999). The nitrocalcite in this passage is highly transient. Once the cave “breathes out” again, warm, moist, cave air quickly (in a matter of hours to days) causes the nitrocalcite to deliquesce and disappear back into the cave sediment.

Is the cycle of nitrocalcite a variation of those Mars spiders or it being formed like the water ice at that fresh Mars "impact crater"?

SILICATE MINERALS AND SPELEOTHEMS
A brown, unctuous, nontronite floor clay in the Echo Passage contains layers, pods, and seams of a black, amorphous, manganese-rich material (Fig. 7). Nontronite forms under alkaline (pH = 7 to 10) and reducing (Eh = 0.2 to -0.8) conditions in areas of restricted drainage (Harder 1976). It has a marked cation exchange capacity, which means that cations like calcium, potassium, manganese, and metal ions can readily exchange within the structure of the mineral. In addition, nontronite forms from solutions containing high amounts of iron and silica.

PHOSPHATE MINERALS AND SPELEOTHEMS
The phosphate minerals brushite and hydroxylapatite have both been identified by X-ray diffraction analysis. The hydroxylapatite in the Big Room forms a thin, orangish-brown crust, but is not particularly extensive or noteworthy in its occurrence. The brushite in the Big Room, however, is noteworthy. It is one of the most extensive brushite deposits ever reported from a cave. This brushite consists of masses of creamy-colored material (moonmilk) over 2 m long, 0.3 m wide, and 6 cm thick. The moonmilk issues forth from beneath a fresh bat guano pile on a large piece of breakdown in the Big Room, it has ‘crept’ down the side of the breakdown, and then it continues out of sight beneath the breakdown. Brushite derives from decaying bat guano in an acid-rich (pH<6), damp environment (Hill & Forti 1997). Both of these conditions exist beneath bat roosts in the Big Room (Buecher & Sidner 1999).

Brushite is formed naturally and is also formed in our bodies.

Brushite is a mineral with a chemical formula CaHPO4·2H2O. It is believed to be precursor of apatite and is found in guano-rich caves, formed by the interaction of guano with calcite and clay at a low pH. Brushite was first described in 1865 and named for the American mineralogist George Jarvis Brush (1831-1912). It forms crystals of prismatic shape having a monoclinic crystal structure.

Brushite is the original precipitating material in the calcium phosphate kidney stones.
Brushite - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brushite

A thorough review of the clinical, radiological and metabolic data of brushite patients has the potential to clarify a number of important points. Many patients with brushite stones often have a history of non-brushite stones (e.g. calcium oxalate) predating the development of brushite stones and historical review is needed to define the factors contributing to this shift in stone composition
Brushite Kidney Stones: - http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00169663

The pdf you linked to mentions another location (Jeffrey Quarry just north of Little Rock, Arkansas, USA) that has some similar rare crystals. It also mentions clay, this is found at Kartchner Caverns but this post is already to long to mention it further.

Jeffrey Quarry just north of Little Rock, Arkansas, USA
When first discovered, some collectors were certain the quartz was still growing in the original clay host, rectorite. But crystal growth at that time was impossible because the temperature was too cool and the original formational water had been flushed from the system.
http://www.rockhoundingar.com/locations/jeffry.html

what you say about fractal growths is something that has a chance to be true, after all if nature can create so many different things then crystals and coral can not be out of the question. Even the "simplest" of insects or animals create minerals and shells etc. I have a "mad" idea on that subject, but could some of the most basic of micro-fossils that we find be created by the EU?

[MattEU]

EU activity appears to either help create or does create material especially dust, minerals and perhaps water.

lots of mentions of clays, crystals and minerals in Kartchner Caverns. Also implied water through the formation of the stalactites and crystals I suppose.

OXIDE MINERALS AND SPELEOTHEMS
Red hematite powder was collected and identified (by Xray diffraction) from two locations in Kartchner Caverns:
the Red River Passage, where it alternates with greenish-gray, illite-clay layers in the Thunder Room area, where it occurs as colloidal hematite staining illite and rectorite clay.

SILICATE MINERALS AND SPELEOTHEMS
Illite fills fault zones and also occurs as clay floor deposits derived from the dissolution of the cave and fault zones (Hill 1999). Rectorite is a mixed-layer clay composed of a 1:1 regular interstratification of a dioctahedral mica and dioctahedral smectite (Newsom 1978).

These describe the clay in layers which would have different electrical properies such as resistance etc

RELATED FORMS
Leopard-spot vermiculations have been found at the Quartz Divide and tiger-skin vermiculations in the Red River Passage, but neither occurrence is outstanding in terms of size or level of development. Vermiculations are thin, irregular, discontinuous deposits composed of incoherent materials (usually clay or mud) found on cave walls, floors or ceilings (Hill & Forti 1997). Their origin is still somewhat controversial, but is believed to be related to the flocculation of drying, liquid films containing fine-grained material.

could these be signs of EU activity, the exchange or formation of them in specific places?