Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

[allynh]

seasmith, The USGS stuff on Mongolia fits with an older article from 2007.

3-D seismic model of vast water reservoir revealed
http://news-info.wustl.edu/news/page/normal/8222.html

The guy interpreted the readings as water. Since there is no subduction the attenuation is caused by the plasma effect changing the polarity of gravity under the continents, holding them up.

Like I said in an earlier post, from the Growing Earth Theory perspective the continents are like shields still curved to the smaller Earth. As the shield collapses, trying to fit the new radius, the shield cracks and causes sharp mountains like the Rockies to form.

Look at the image and see the red zones. Those are where the plasma charge is greatest. Think of it like an air bubble holding the continent up by reversing the polarity of gravity in that region. As the plasma charge dissipates--that is what earthquakes are--the shield cracks, and the continent flattens out.

There are large red zones under China, where the continental plateau is three miles high. Look over at America and it's red zone. Our continental plateau is two miles high and will split along the Rio Grande Rift.

When that happens, the sharp, young, Rocky Mountains will slump and become a jumble like the Appalachians. Look at Africa on either side of the Rift Valley, also along the Congo river basin, and see how the ground is rugged. That is the jumble left when its sharp edged mountains collapsed.

Look at the Amazon river basin. That is where South America split and flattened out once before. The jumbled terrain are where its sharp edged mountains collapsed. When the Amazon formed, and the old mountains collapsed, the Andes popped up, the new mountains freshly made. They are sitting on the two mile plateau held up by the plasma charge. When that dissipates, the Andes will collapse into a jumbled landscape.

Look at the Mississippi river basin, the Appalachians are the jumble left when the continent cracked before. When that part of the shield collapsed the Rockies popped up because there is still a bubble of plasma holding the west side up. When the Rio Grande Rift opens up, America will flatten out, and have two major river basins. The Rio Grande will finally live up to its name and be as big as the Mississippi. The Rockies will look all jumbled like the Appalachians and be fraction of their current elevation.

Look at the NOAA Globe site for elevation maps.

The Global Land One-km Base Elevation Project (GLOBE)
http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/mgg/topo/globe.html

GLOBE: A Gallery of Images
http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/mgg/topo/globegal.html

When you look at the images, keep this elevation key in mind.

The key is in meters. When you see any white areas, that is not snow, that is something over three miles high. The brown is about a mile high. Red is about two miles high.

Oops, I just realized that what I've posted seems to conflict with what starbiter is talking about. The thing is, I see what he is talking about as a real mechanism for shaping the terrain locally. His duning process is based on an Earth of constant radius, i.e., not the Growing Earth Theory. That is the main flaw that I see with the EU stuff. It's like when Steve Smith ignores the continents fitting together in the various TPODS and says that the oceans were carved out from a static size Earth. The Earth is not static in size. The various plasma events are what drives the growth. Without plasma cosmology the Growing Earth Theory can't work, and vice versa.

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Basically, the Earth grows from the plasma transmuting aether/neutrinos in the hollow core, the curved continents split because they are smaller radius, collapse, form sharp mountains that then collapse into jumbles beside the river basins where the shield cracked. Much of the surface material is moved and mixed during theses rapid events like in the video I mentioned up thread. All the while the same process transmutes the crust, causing veins of ore to be formed in the rock itself; and the atmosphere, where dust is made from the air to form more layers of rock.

Yet there are also massive plasma tornados that cut, shape, and dune, the way starbiter talks about. His stuff fits perfectly into the Growing Earth Theory, and has added one more piece to the GET puzzle. None of this current insight would have been possible without starbiter starting this thread. Thanks...

Of course, since all this is heresy, I now return you to your normal EU programming.

[starbiter]

Howdy Allyn: Good to hear from you. I'm agnostic concerning the expanding earth. I don't know enough at this point. It seems compatible with the dune model, i think. Have you had a thread concerning this? I'd follow a thread if you started one, in an attempt to learn. If not, a bit of discussion here might be in order, but i don't want to get too far off track.

Again, thanks for your interest and support, michael

[starbiter]

This in at the request of Kapriel. The request is for a synopsis of the events in Worlds in Collision that i think are responsible for mountain/dune formation. Here goes
Fortunately for me, what i propose requires a combination of ingredients. This limits the number of suspects. For mountains to be the product of duning the amount of dust and sand would be almost unimaginable. But sand without wind would not grow into mountain formations. The more wind/sand the bigger the dune. The mountains i see in the West are surrounded by flat land i think was submerged throughout the process. The flooding required for this process is almost unimaginable. Fifty mile wide floods were common.

http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&hl= ... 91&t=p&z=9

Last is an agent to convert sand to rock. I think this is a single event that might have lasted a few years at the very most. More likely a matter of months. The mythologists might think all four ingredients were available more than once. I'd like to know.

That brings us to the Plague of Darkness [A World wide event, not just the Middle East]. It's preceded by the Plague of Blood, lots of red dust, and maybe a source of some accumulation of dust, but not a lot of talk of wind. Then comes a warming of the Earth causing hatches. Then the Plague of Darkness. Up to nine days of intense West wind and dust and sand and gravel, and rocks falling from the sky. Forty nine out of fifty Hebrews perished during the first nine days. The dust and sand lingered for many years, but was more intense in the beginning. During this time people couldn't stand because of a West Wind. After the West wind the direction changed to the East. This was accompanied by the movement of the sun changing it's course 4 times in quick succession. About six weeks. This would cause the flooding. All this while fire pours from the sky. It appears as a river of fire. In my mind something like the Aurora. WiC provides details from around the world that would produce mountains of new earth. The descriptions sync like a smooth transmission.

As i said earlier, the year and agent are irrelevant. This should make this a possibility for Grey Cloud, i hope. If i remember correctly, he believes the agent to be Mars instead of Venus. Hope i remember correctly. If not please correct me. If the only thing i need is for the observations to be accurate, i hope we have common ground. I suppose the date could ba as early as 10,000 BCE. It's good to have a big tent.

I've been encouraged to be careful about claiming a smooth Earth before these events. There are reports of people going to caves in the hills to escape the danger. Everyone seems to have an ark landing on a mountain of some sort. Mountains also are reported to have melted like wax. I don't know the origin of these formation.
Underlying the mountains of the Western US there is supposed to be sediment in places. That would be the starting point of the dunes in my model.
Underlying many other mountains in the Western US are massive layers of coal. This is a good place to look for the beginning of the dune process. The West wind uprooted the entire forest. During the flooding the forest would flow to collection points. The Book Cliff area of Utah has so much coal each mine has several train loads going to power plants 365 days a year. If there isn't a railroad, twin trailer trucks pass by every 7 minutes. There are many, many plants. It's a major source of pollution.
In CO the mines are over 6000 feet .

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UT ... 82&t=p&z=8

This area above is sitting on top of coal at around 5500 feet.

It's assumed this area has risen around a mile by the mainstream geologists. I'm confused.

Whatever had been elevated before the Sand Plague is probably covered by a dune/mountain today.

So now you don't need to read Worlds in Collision to understand duning. NOT!

Apologies to Dr. V, michael

[junglelord]

My post on Golden Ratio form repetition and the duning process, is compatable with the Expanding Earth theory, which means I am "swinging" into Miles territory
(Tarzan Yell Inserted)

[junglelord]

Hello Jungle Lord: I've been looking forward to hearing from you. I've been interested in knowing your thoughts on duning and mountains. I'm afraid i still don't know. As i mentioned about two years ago on this forum, i droll a little. Your response is so far over my head it's hard to describe. Do you think it would be possible for wind blown sand during and after the plague of darkness to form dunes the size of mountains? If no i can dig it. If yes do you think it possible for something like the aurora to convert these piles of sand to rock.
Be well and prosper, michael

My lessons are not over your head. As to your question, I am not sure of the specific process in this instance.

But I do know this, at a more fundamental level, at specific fundamental scales, the universe repeats specific fundamental geometries, which are the standing waves of that dimensional construct.
I believe that all geometry begins with the electron and proton.
They are charge units with specific geometry that involves 4pi.
I think that Charge geometry controls all forms and it is the relationship between charge geometry and aether geometry which is like a 5d spirograph, 5d because it is laid out over linear time, moving forward is linear, spin in spin relationships are distributed which is quantum resonance, so two distinct frequency domains exist linear and distributed. It is in this mechanism that forms appear, again this is at a more fundamental level. As far as the exact process, I think all things work in concert of harmonic relationships.

The method or processes can vary but they are always determined via charge geometry of that particular state of matter and its relationship to aether. Quantum spin geometry basicly, with aether having a quantum spin of 2, photons have a spin of 1, matter has 1/2 spin. That is where the connection to the Golden Ratio is found, within the geometric difference in the different quantum spins. Electrons 1/2 spin exchange that with Photons 1 spin, which is an exchange of spin not energy. Energy is measured in joules and is too large a dimensional construct to speak of as fundamentals, but people do this all the time. I hope people begin to realize that eletricity does not and never has traveled in a copper wire. It is the space around it that carries the charge. Conductors are reflectors.

Insulators in our terminology are conductors of the Dielectric Field, which is part of the Aether, which is a Magneto-Dielectric rotating field. I know that both Electrons and Protons have the same Electrostatic charge, that is a Dielectric Field Effect. How ever Electrons and Protons have distinct EM charge geometry specificly related to their mass which is a toroid. EM is a field construct of mass and the specific mass of the electron or the proton dictates the two independant EM charge ratios. Mass is EM charge in 2-d. Since 4Pi is in all charge equations expressed, or hidden, we can determine that yes a 2-d circular string, scans an aether unit (magneto-dielectric rotating field) and creates an EM toroid which surrounds a Electrostatic sphere. Again this quantum state which is a spriograph in 5d.

Remember that harmonic relationships are due to the local quantum resonance, which is the second dimensinsonal order of frequency, which is why two dimensions is the better way to view and determine "time domains".....did I lose you? Linear time and Distributed Resonance, two time domains.

If the earth is no different then a hollow copper sphere, as Tesla said, then if "conductors" are really reflectors and if insulators (dielectrics) are conductors, as Eric Dollard claims, the it makes total sense why the earth is a capacitor when one considers the ionosphere and the air as the conductor of the Dielectric field that is distributed in a perpendicular or Z axis.

Concering the different methods of formation processes, what we can say for certain is that all four phases of matter have a process to effect the patterns of repetition hidden within them that are evident at some scale harmonic within that phase of matter, again I believe based on charge geometry and how it scales. Solid, Liquid, Gas, Plasma, all create repetitive forms that connect. I believe it is charge that does this.


As above, so below.

[starbiter]

Jumgle Lord: I'm honored you've gone to this extant to help me. I'll read your post many more times. I know from reading you in the past that everything spins, and everything is a vortex, i believe. I'll try to stay with you.
The process i see seems simple. Aerodynamic forces [which of course are electrical] seem to be at play in a fairly standard duning process during a highly charged unusual event. This may bring into play what you mention. I'll speak to some real smart people i fortunately have access to, in order to better understand. I'm lucky.

Best regards and thanks, michael

[Grey Cloud]

Hi Starbiter,
You wrote:

This should make this a possibility for Grey Cloud, i hope. If i remember correctly, he believes the agent to be Mars instead of Venus. Hope i remember correctly. If not please correct me.

As I recall, I once speculated that, from the perspective of Greek myth, Mars makes a better candidate than Venus.
My view of things is that an intruder or, more likely, intruders entered the solar system and thus creating an electrical imbalance. It seems probable to me that Mars bore the brunt of this and had its orbit disturbed more than once (hence Athene's comments to Ares in the Iliad). Venus seems to have been moved at least once (see Zeus' comments to Aphrodite after she has been wounded by Diomedes in the Iliad).
I see nothing in any mythology, or ancient texts generally, which suggests a radical re-arrangement of the solar system or the arrival or departure of planets. Neither Talbott's nor Cardona's models provide a mechanism for the changes they propose.

[allynh]

Have you had a thread concerning this?

We actually discussed most of these topics in various threads. Are the planets growing? is the most complete thread to start with.

BTW, Ages in Chaos, vol I came in. I'm still waiting for Worlds in Collision, and Earth in Upheaval to arrive. It looks like the publisher will be offering all of Velikovsky's stuff soon. I can see Ages in Chaos, vol II and Mankind in Amnesia listed in the back of the book, so I hope they come out soon. They are also publishing books by his daughter Ruth.

At least now people can actually find new copies of the books for sale.

Immanuel Velikovsky
http://www.paradigma-publishing.com/books1.html

[starbiter]

Hi Allyn: I'll check out the Are the Planets Growing thread, thanks. I searched Expanding Earth.

Glad to hear about your future reading plans. Ages in Chaos was difficult for me. Not much of a plot. Lots of names. I beat myself up for having problems. I've met a number of quite bright people who had the same problem. That removes some of the guilt. WiC is an easy read. The second time is better. Einstein needed three readings to come around.

Earth in Upheaval is more of a resource. Not the flow of WiC, but thought provoking.

Mankind in Amnesia is wonderful. In some ways the most important. It seems humans are a piece of work.

michael

Thanks for your reply Grey Cloud

[starbiter]

I asked Dr. CJ Ransom to confirm my questionable memory on a couple of points. For those not familiar with CJ he recieved the first PhD. in Plasma Physics from The University of Texas. He has been involved in EU from the very beginning. M = michael C = CJ


M: “I think you said 5 things are needed for EDM that aren't involved with electrical excavation.”

C: The “I think” is important here. I may have mentioned 5, but I do not remember. Here is some information about EDM. The bold may be the type of thing I mentioned as to why I would consider Electrical Excavation as opposed to EDM. It is better to quote an EDM site than me.

EDM

How Sinker EDM works

Two metal parts submerged in an insulating liquid are connected to a source of current which is switched on and off automatically depending on the parameters set on the controller. When the current is switched on, an electric tension is created between the two metal parts.

If the two parts are brought together to within a fraction of an inch, the electrical tension is discharged and a spark jumps across. Where it strikes, the metal is heated up so much that it melts.

Innumerable such sparks spray, one after the other (never simultaneously) and gradually shape the desired form in the piece of metal, according to the shape of the electrode. Several hundred thousand sparks must fly per second before erosion takes place.

Die-sinking EDM Machining

In the case of die-sinking EDM, the required shape is formed negatively in the metal with a three-dimensional electrode. By superimposed movements in the main axes x, y, c, z, the most varied shapes, indentations and cavities are created, such as cannot in part be achieved by any other machining system.

For example, a helicoid cavity or a rectangular hole in one single steel block or the machining of an extremely thin, hardened steel sheet that may not be subjected to any mechanical pressure.

Wire EDM—also known as Wire Cutting, Wire burning, and Traveling Wire EDM—uses spark erosion to machine or remove material with a traveling wire electrode from any electrically conductive material. The wire electrode usually consists of brass or zinc-coated brass material. The wire goes through the part being cut.


New item.
This next item concerns the survivability of Electrical Events during Catastrophic Events. I mentioned the smelter who makes rock uses low voltage.

M:“When i mentioned high amp, low voltage events in the rock making process i think you mentioned it might be survivable.”

C: I have held a diode underwater while the diode carried 300 amps, but the voltage was less than 5 volts. I watched someone else do it first. The current was not flowing directly through the body.

It is the combination of current and voltage that is lethal. Any current over 10 ma. will result in serious shock if it goes through you. That depends on the voltage. Where it goes through you also makes a difference. For DC, 42 volts can be lethal. The frequency is also important.

I doubt that 300 amps ran through the Earth in large areas for a long time. The experiments I am running use less than 20 volts DC. To have layers appear, I need to add water to the sand.
Cj

[seasmith]

Hello Seasmith:

http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&hl= ... 4&t=h&z=12

I see things more clearly with Google maps.

Hi Starbiter,





http://google-latlong.blogspot.com/2010 ... lable.html

Was just looking at these fault line pics of Haiti.
It's a major crack in the Caribbean "plate" , which itself is surrounded by a perimeter of faults; much like the larger "ring of fire" around the Pacific basin.
The mountainous area has the same morphology as Nevada or Mongolia, except one is an island surrounded by a lot of ocean.
http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=16.999609,
http://khm0.google.com/kh/v=52&x=8&y=14&z=5&s=Galile
http://geology.com/central-america-sate ... ages.shtml


Duning normally requires an expanse of land to transport the sands. [ The Caribbean islands receive a Lot of Saharan dirt, but it settles in layers over time.]

Any thoughts?

s

[starbiter]

Duning normally requires an expanse of land to transport the sands. [ The Caribbean islands receive a Lot of Saharan dirt, but it settles in layers over time.]

Any thoughts?

reply to Seasmith:
Yes, Venus is not in the neighborhood as a comet. Have you been reading my posts? We're talking catastrophe here.
Om

[Kapriel]

Only have a sec, but had a question-

The supposed cracking points (between supposed plates) are the oceanic rifts aren't they? From what I can tell, first the continental plates crack, second the continents supposedly slide away from that cracking spot, and third those spots are then supposed to keep expanding, along the extact same place. Isn't that correct? I don't really know for sure, my knowledge of the subject is small right now, but anyhow...here's my question: if the continents slip away from the spot they cracked from, wouldn't the continual cracking always be along the oceanic rifts? In that case, we shouldn't see mountain building, earthquake activity, or volcanic activity anywhere along the continental coasts (example: the Andes).
But we do.

Ideas?

[seasmith]

reply to starbiter:

We're talking catastrophe here.

You're saying the mountains on Haiti were made within the past 10-12000 years, as per the chronicles of Dr V and the OT ??

Om Mani Padni Om

[starbiter]

Hello Seasmith: Any place that was above the waterline would be prone to duning. Florida for the most part must have been submerged. Being surrounded by water would make islands more prone to duning. The water surrounding wouldn't cause the winds to slow down. The island would cause the wind to be interrupted, which would be the beginning of the process. The particulate matter is not coming from surrounding land. It's coming from the surface of Venus, maybe Mars.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UT ... 89&t=p&z=1

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UT ... 4&t=p&z=11

Even Hawaii seems to be flat islands covered with dunes/mountains, and an occasional volcano.
The second map shows where the waterline was, quite clearly.

The big island seems free of dune/mountains. That would suggest youth, or a birth after the duning.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UT ... 54&t=p&z=8

Hello Kapriel: I'm unqualified to answer the Expanding Earth question.

I'm not cool enough for more than one syllable,hence just, OM