A couple of problems with EU model

[nick c]

Here is a link to a response to Bridgman by Scott, which is the same as that in "Appendix C," Solar Electron Flux, The Electric Sky:
[url2=http://saturniancosmology.org/files/sun ... answer.txt]Solar Electron Flux[/url2]

Nick

[Siggy_G]

Empirical observations, I'd have to go with no, not yet. At least partly because probes have not yet ventured far enough from our star to get the "full picture" of what the particles and charged dust grains are doing beyond the heliosphere...

What about sending a probe towards the area above or below the Sun, i.e. above/below the central area of our ecliptic plane? Isn't it here the z-pinch currents stream in towards the Sun according to the EU model? Intense electromagnetic measurements should occur in this area.

[james weninger]

Empirical observations, I'd have to go with no, not yet. At least partly because probes have not yet ventured far enough from our star to get the "full picture" of what the particles and charged dust grains are doing beyond the heliosphere...

What about sending a probe towards the area above or below the Sun, i.e. above/below the central area of our ecliptic plane? Isn't it here the z-pinch currents stream in towards the Sun according to the EU model? Intense electromagnetic measurements should occur in this area.

You mean like this http://www.jhuapl.edu/newscenter/pressr ... 091015.asp ?
At least now they have the idea that the magnetic field of the interstellar medium is acting on the charged particles of the heliosphere to shape it. So they are at least willing to abandon the idea that mechanical collisions between the solar wind and interstellar medium shape the heliosphere.

[Ion01]

If your looking for math it would seem that Anthony Perrat would be your guy.

http://www.plasma-universe.com/index.ph ... _formation
I don't know what all is available from him as far as the equations go but he would seem to be the one that is working on this side of things.

Looks at the links in the notes and references sections as there are some papers available there.

[Siggy_G]

What about sending a probe towards the area above or below the Sun, i.e. above/below the central area of our ecliptic plane? Isn't it here the z-pinch currents stream in towards the Sun according to the EU model? Intense electromagnetic measurements should occur in this area.

You mean like this http://www.jhuapl.edu/newscenter/pressr ... 091015.asp ?
At least now they have the idea that the magnetic field of the interstellar medium is acting on the charged particles of the heliosphere to shape it. So they are at least willing to abandon the idea that mechanical collisions between the solar wind and interstellar medium shape the heliosphere.

That one's interesting yes, but they still haven't done a direct measurement of what's incoming perpendicular onto the Sun. I'm not sure to which extend it is measurable at distance (from Earth), because it would require the incoming z-pinching current to emit electrons and photons radially, which it doubtfully does (?) as the current is very directional towards its focal point i.e. the Sun. That's why I'm guessing a probe sent above/below the Sun's axis would be able to either measure the effect or be surrounded by discharges (from its metal shell) as it enters this non-radiant electromagnetic cylinder...

[Anaconda]

@ Siggy_G:

That one's interesting yes, but they still haven't done a direct measurement of what's incoming perpendicular onto the Sun.

Actually, that's false:

See, Solar Wind Electron Halo Depletions at 90° Pitch Angle:

http://www.srl.caltech.edu/ACE/ACENews/ACENews56.html

Changes in field strength along the field line first focus the backstreaming halo electrons emerging from the compression region and then mirror them, producing the mirrored halo population (dark red) and, in steady state, a depletion in halo electrons centered on and symmetric about the direction perpendicular to the magnetic field.

...produces a more tenuous, sunward-directed population of electrons (the backscattered halo - dark blue) that is isotropic over the sunward facing hemisphere along the field line, and (3) adiabatic motion governs the subsequent evolution of the halo population.

The measurements are still relatively crude, but there are observations & measurements from above the poles of the Sun.

The resolution of these observations & measurements will likely increase with succeeding generations of in situ satellite probes and Science will get closer to the bottom of all this.

The big question is whether helio-astrophysicists will take off their ideological blinders and consider alternative hypothesis or will they continue to force the data to fit the theory, instead of the other way around (the proper scientific way).

[Siggy_G]

@ Siggy_G:

That one's interesting yes, but they still haven't done a direct measurement of what's incoming perpendicular onto the Sun.

Actually, that's false:

See, Solar Wind Electron Halo Depletions at 90° Pitch Angle:

http://www.srl.caltech.edu/ACE/ACENews/ACENews56.html

Interesting as well Although, they're doing quite indirect measurements and they're not much of an eye opener. They do indicate the EU model though. If a probe was to physically travel into that region (above Sun's axis), they would get quite severe measurements.

From looking at solar eclipse images/videos, it seems evident that coronal plasma ejections are very much deflected from the axial regions (the poles).

http://rst.gsfc.nasa.gov/Sect20/TSE2008_luethen800.jpg
http://www.astrosurf.com/cavadore/obser ... hshine.jpg

Have in mind that the images are slightly tilted. Do also have in mind that the structure is seen in perspective; the filaments "above" the Sun's poles (the pinched streakes), are actually deflected plasma coming towards us, embracing the view (the rest of the solar plasma is streaming freely and radially). Of course, this would be explained as ejected plasma being "sucked back into the Sun's poles due to its magnetic field". But it is likely the opposite: ejected plasma is deflected in these regions (due to incoming z-pinch currents). Just my thoughts.

Also... http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/sol ... ature.html

"This confirms that computer models can describe the physics of the solar corona," (...)

Yeah, visually (more or less), but not its true reasons, I'd dare to say. And in order to do any predictions, you need to know the current state in order to extrapolate anything. They don't consider a plasma ball mechanism nor incoming currents at the poles.

"Since the physics of the corona is still not completely understood, the accuracy of the simulation will improve when our understanding of how energy flows through the corona improves."

Let me correct that for you: "... the accuracy of a redesigned simulation will improve when our paradigm has changed".

[Siggy_G]

Recent raw data:

http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime/mpeg/