Little dwarf is a big mystery

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Little dwarf is a big mystery

Post by solrey » Wed Oct 21, 2009 6:18 am

Discovery of dwarf galaxy a big find for astronomy team
But having found a galaxy unlike all the others -- all the millions seen so far, that is -- Cannon, a team of fellow astronomers and now some Macalester students are pondering some new questions about the universe, including how the very stars are formed.
Cannon said he was "flabbergasted" by what they detected.

Usually a galaxy, such as the Milky Way, where Earth resides, holds a lot of solid material -- stars, large and small, that are formed as gravity compresses the hydrogen between the galaxy's solids. But the galaxy Cannon and his team described in a recent article in The Astrophysical Journal instead has a tiny solid mass at its center surrounded by a disc of gas far out of proportion to its star mass -- as big as the Milky Way, though it has only about 2 percent of the star material as the Milky Way. In fact, the galaxy has the largest known gas-to-visible-star ratio of any galaxy yet observed. Despite that vast field of hydrogen, it apparently isn't creating any stars.
Hey...did you forget to pay the light bill again, you silly dwarf.

Here's the full paper in PDF...Quiescent Isolation
We sample the rotation curve to the point of turn over; this constrains the size of the dark matter halo of the galaxy, which outweighs the luminous component (stars + gas) by at least a factor of 15.
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Re: Little dwarf is a big mystery

Post by mharratsc » Wed Oct 21, 2009 8:39 am

I was reading that .pdf and noticed they mentioned the thing is so distant and faint they're not going to be able to determine much of it's non-thermal emission spectra. :(

I would really like to see what they could pull up regarding that little puppy's magnetic field... : /


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Re: Little dwarf is a big mystery

Post by jjohnson » Wed Oct 21, 2009 8:40 am

That's a very interesting paper. Look at Figure 7. The galactic disk is apparently face on to the observer. The isovelocity contours show a pair of roughly circular higher-velocity contours, symmetrically located to either side of the center, with pinched 'valley' velocities between, in both low res and high res images. We're looking "down the pipe" at a Birkeland pair, probably in extremely dark mode over most of its area. Your light bill payment looks like the right answer. Just as in poker - no action; no stars! I have to go back and read more closely now; only a quickie scan so far.

It would be useful to see if the rotational velocities of the pair of pipes were parallel or antiparallel, but I don't think that can be obtained readily from a face-on view using doppler techniques, and in any case such rotation at this scale might be so slow as to be indiscernible. A closer read is imperative. Thanks for attracting interest to this paper.

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Re: Little dwarf is a big mystery

Post by solrey » Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:01 am

Yeah, jjohnson, the first thing I thought of was early stage, Birkeland pair galaxy creation in action. I've only had a chance to skim through the paper, but I noticed the same thing as you did. It also might not be as distant as they think, not that it would be right next door or anything, just closer. Either way, it appears to be alone out there as stated in the paper "the galaxy appears to be quite isolated. They mentioned that it was "metal-poor" (bruhthuh, can ya spare a dime?), meaning it's mostly H (the primary "oddity" is the large, starless, HI disk). We're probably seeing one of the two ways galaxies are created in EU. One, by Quasar ejection from a "parent" galaxy. The other from "scratch", by the z-pinch between Birkeland currents, which appears to be the case with ADBS 1138 (baby wants a name).
Figure 3 shows channel maps of HI emission in the central 25 channels of the cube. From these maps it is clear that the profile is double-peaked.
Figure 3 is on page 5. Very intriguing indeed.

The Neutral gas Isovelocity contour maps (Fig. 7) on page 10 seem to depict the center being squeezed between two roundish columns.
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Re: Little dwarf is a big mystery

Post by junglelord » Wed Oct 21, 2009 8:29 pm

Structure and Function cannot be seperated.
Junglelord.

Physicist spend way too much time looking at math, not structure.
Plasma structures reveal the function. They need to look at Plasma structures.
We do it as second nature at this point.
We have a deep comphrension of the EU.
I for one know that the light came on and black holes disappeared into the past like a ghost of a memory, the day I heard the EU Theory on Coast to Coast.

I think that the team should go on Coast to Coast again.
It reaches a lot of people.
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Re: Little dwarf is a big mystery

Post by jjohnson » Wed Oct 21, 2009 8:47 pm

I forgot - the pair of currents need to conduct in the same direction to be attracted together (rotation is not the correct or most basic term for the long range attraction here and I apologize for the oversight). After Oersted discovered the magnetic effects of currents in 1820, Biot and Savart formulated the law for the magnetic field from a long straight current-carrying wire. Ampére's studies led to the law of force between conductors carrying currents, which is the basis of the unit of current (the Ampere, naturally). History from Peratt's text, Physics of the Plasma Universe.

If two parallel wires or Birkeland currents conduct in opposing directions they repel one another - the plasma universe is interested in the effects of attraction - between conductors whose charges are moving in the same direction. The long-range forces between parallel currents are attractive, but the electrons will tend to rotate helically around the magnetic 'lines of force' - i.e., the magnetic force field - and these revolving electrons set up their own magnetic fields which are short-range repulsive.

All this stuff had been researched carefully and successful high energy plasma experiments and particle-in-cell plasma simulations which successfully duplicated the lab experiments had been accomplished before Peratt's book was published in 1992. These plasma runs (gigaWatts in ns timescales) and PIC simulations created an evolutionary time track of forms identical to spiral and elliptical galaxies which, upon comparison with the records of double-lobed radio galaxies and other galaxy forms in the optical and IR ranges, found numerous instances of uncannily close matches. The PIC models make few initial assumptions about instabilities or shocks, but simply start with the known laws of electromagnetic statics and dynamics, and a uniform distribution of plasma and a space filled with magnetic fields of indefinite extent. Any small perturbation in the electron temperature eventually leads to vast swirling electromagnetic fields that pinch into filamentary forms. These lead to superclusters billions of light years long. The plasma within these elements is further pinched into galaxy size filaments which interact for billions of years, collecting and neutralizing so much mass that gravity becomes a factor in their continued evolution. As Peratt notes,
"Thus is formed the full range of galaxy species. Like predawn mist beading on a spiderweb, the observable cosmos condenses out of the plasma background in progressively smaller steps... There is no expansion, and there need not be any final crunch. Unlike the universe envisioned in the big bang model, the plasma universe evolves without beginning and without end: it is indefinitely ancient and has an indefinite lifetime in store."
Very nice writing. Here's the article in pdf: http://plasmascience.net/tpu/downloads/NotWithaBang.pdf

Junglelord: I agree with you. The time is getting to where we can reach a lot of people and improve the visibility of our venture. Do you have any contacts that we could put in touch with those of us who are articulate and good talkers on the subject?

Jim

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Re: Little dwarf is a big mystery

Post by junglelord » Wed Oct 21, 2009 9:05 pm

I am afraid I do not have any contacts.

Its a deep and fundamental fact of the EU that like charges attract, (its a Birkeland Current.)

Something they tell you NEVER happens in school.
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They tell us LAWS that are LIES, thats our education. MIT teaches in the first lecture, there is no electricity in space. There is a lot of "education" that denys the reality of it all....
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Re: Little dwarf is a big mystery

Post by jjohnson » Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:40 am

This Spitzer IR photo http://ipac.jpl.nasa.gov/media_images/sig09-006.jpg of a spiral galaxy looks, except for scale and the fact that the "lights are ON", a lot like the mysterious dwarf galaxy under discussion. Many large ones, do, of course - but the annular gap between a small core and the extended set of arms is hard to explain. "The desert ring"...

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Re: Little dwarf is a big mystery

Post by junglelord » Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:19 am

Can you see the massive black hole at the center of that spiral galaxy?
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Re: Little dwarf is a big mystery

Post by Anaconda » Thu Oct 29, 2009 2:04 pm

I think you guys are right on target: A galaxy in an early stage of development.

There should be more of these type out there, and while it probably is closer than the authors of the paper suspect, it would seem to be in an area of deep-space where galaxies are in early stages of development, that could suggest it is fairly far away.

Anyway, excellent find solrey :)

This galaxy is worthy of close study by Electric Universe researchers because it does seem to support Dr. Peratt's simulations.

Now, if only the "modern" astronomy community would take their blinders off for a minute or two :P

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