Magnetic Fields Play Larger Role...

[bdaniel7]

Magnetic Fields Play Larger Role In Star Formation Than Previously Thought
So it looks like mainstream physics is discovering the wheel...

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 122146.htm

[Tina]

So it looks like mainstream physics is discovering the wheel...

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 122146.htm

Hi bdaniel7 - I see you're new Thunderbolts member - Welcome

The headline should read "Magnetic Fields Play Larger Role In Star Formation Than They Previously Wanted to Believe".

Anyway slowly, slowly the wheel takes shape - but it still looks squarish to me.

[nick c]

welcome bdaniel7,
Interesting, mainstream seems to be making some concessions toward the Plasma Cosmology and the EU, however, I have to agree with Tina:

Anyway slowly, slowly the wheel takes shape - but it still looks squarish to me.

They have mired themselves into such an intellectual La Brea Tarpit there is no escape in the forseeable future. Maybe that is wrong but that is the way I see it.

Still we have the use of mechanical explanations like:

Magnetic fields channel flowing gas, making it hard to drawn the gas from all directions, while turbulence stirs the gas and induces an outward pressure that counteracts gravity.

and the absence of words like plasma and Birkeland currents.

And an interesting parenthetical comment:

(A magnetic field is produced by moving electrical charges. Stars and most planets, including Earth, exhibit magnetic fields.)

Can we conclude from this, that "Stars and most planets" must therefore be charged bodies moving in plasma?
Welcome to the Electric Universe!

nick c

[earls]

What I found most interesting was: "The magnetic fields tended to line up in the same direction"

This (to me) would imply that there is a preferred direction of charge flow.

"Can we conclude from this, that "Stars and most planets" must therefore be charged bodies moving in plasma?"

Until the "dynamo theory" is debunked, they'll never make any concessions towards this school of thought.

[solrey]

Magnetic Fields Dominate Young Stars of All Sizes was published exactly two months ago.

Now, with this new paper, we have confirmation of the EM interconnectedness of star forming regions.

[davesmith_au]

The paper the latest release refers to is here:

http://arxiv.org/abs/0908.1549
Anchoring Magnetic Field in Turbulent Molecular Clouds
Authors: Hua-bai Li, C. Darren Dowell, Alyssa Goodman, Roger Hildebrand, Giles Novak

Here's an interesting image from the paper:

Magnetic fields in the Orion molecular cloud region.

Figure 1. Magnetic fields in the Orion molecular cloud region. The background
image shows the IRAS (Neugebauer et al. 1984) 100 μm map in logarithmic scale. We
superpose on this map the magnetic field directions inferred from optical data (blue
vectors), and the mean of all the optical data is shown as the thick gray vector. The Hertz
polarimeter (Dotson et al. 2009) at the Caltech Submillimeter Observatory mapped eight
clouds (see labels A through H on the IRAS map) in this region at 350 μm with 20"
resolution, and these CSO results are shown as insets, using red vectors on individual
false-color intensity maps. The mean direction of all the 350 μm polarization detections
from a given core is shown as a white vector superposed on each core’s map, and these
white vectors are also plotted on the IRAS 100 μm map. All the false-color Hertz intensity
maps are plotted to the same scale: 140 arcseconds across (approximately 0.3 pc). Note
that the spatial scales and mass densities are very different between the regions probed by
the two wavelengths, but the field orientations are very similar.

A larger version of the image is available here

Cheers, Dave.

[mharratsc]

The headline should read "Magnetic Fields Play Larger Role In Star Formation Than They Previously Wanted to Believe".

You got that right...

Mike H.

[BullSchmutz]

"The magnetic fields tended to line up in the same direction, even though the relative size scales (1 light-year cores versus 1000 light-year nebulas) and densities were different by orders of magnitude."

[jjohnson]

The paper noted that the areas measured were all within 2k parsecs or about 6500 light years. One wonders if that means that they are all within the same (local) arm of our galaxy. If so, do ALL such regions along an arm tend toward self-similar magnetic alignments due to immersion in common, parallel Birkeland currents? And do these orientations extend down-scale to stellar/planetary systems?
J

[Eileenla]

I just noticed this on Spaceweather.com:

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2009/31aug_mms.htm

Interesting discussion of the current confusion over Mercury's colliding and exploding magnetic field lines that no one can explain.

Any comments?

[mharratsc]

We'd actually discussed that article (and some of the gibberish that they put in it) in another thread somewhere, but I can't remember which one it was... :\

One thing that escaped me the first time I looked at the article was this part from the bottom of it:

The spacecraft are sturdy enough to withstand the energetics of reconnection events known to occur in Earth's magnetosphere, so there is nothing standing in the way of a full two year mission of discovery.

Bold claim! Notice that they talk all day long in the article about "the energy" without explaining what kind of energy it is. They talk about the magnetic field lines (real, physical objects that wriggle and jiggle and make Astrophysicists sing happy songs from their childhood) and "the energy" trapped inside those field lines that gets explosively released during "reconnection events".

Are they truly realizing that it is an electrical discharge, do you think? Did they really check to see if their 'reinforced satellite' is
going to be able to withstand the electrical current flowing across an exploding double layer??

Only time will tell. But I can tell you one thing- sparks are going to fly (maybe figuratively, maybe literally) when that mission gets up there and sees what the truth is!

Mike H.

[robinson]

My favorite line is

The problem is, researchers can't explain it.

[Anaconda]

I just noticed this on Spaceweather.com:

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2009/31aug_mms.htm

Interesting discussion of the current confusion over Mercury's colliding and exploding magnetic field lines that no one can explain.

Any comments?

We'd actually discussed that article (and some of the gibberish that they put in it) in another thread somewhere, but I can't remember which one it was... :\

One thing that escaped me the first time I looked at the article was this part from the bottom of it:

The spacecraft are sturdy enough to withstand the energetics of reconnection events known to occur in Earth's magnetosphere, so there is nothing standing in the way of a full two year mission of discovery.

Bold claim! Notice that they talk all day long in the article about "the energy" without explaining what kind of energy it is. They talk about the magnetic field lines (real, physical objects that wriggle and jiggle and make Astrophysicists sing happy songs from their childhood) and "the energy" trapped inside those field lines that gets explosively released during "reconnection events".

Are they truly realizing that it is an electrical discharge, do you think? Did they really check to see if their 'reinforced satellite' is
going to be able to withstand the electrical current flowing across an exploding double layer??

Only time will tell. But I can tell you one thing- sparks are going to fly (maybe figuratively, maybe literally) when that mission gets up there and sees what the truth is!

Mike H.

This is the thread where the discussion about the NASA press release was had:

http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpB ... a&start=15

The point seems to be to talk about magnetic fields without discussing electric fields or electric current in space.

And, interestingingly enough, this intent to avoid electric fields and electric currents in space by maintaining the fiction of "magnetic reconnection" stretches from near-space around the Earth and the Sun, and apparently out into deep-space as well.

Perhaps, the tenacity to which mainstream astronomers cling to "magnetic reconnection" in near space is related to astronomers desire to avoid electric fields and electric currents at all costs in deep-space at the stellar, galactic, and extra-galactic level.

But as we know, here, you can't discuss the "magnetic" without discussing the "electro"

As much as "modern" astronomers would like to avoid this immutable fact.