The EM Universe

[JaJa]

Or positrons going the other way and annihilating where they meet?

How does annihilation equate to the completion of a circuit?

JLs Impulse Magnifying Transmitter?

Trans mitter-res ponder... off to read JL again.

Nonsense. 0D projected into 3D is more like it! Information made whole, and how big/ massive
is information?

Have you seen this before and how big/massive would the grid/circuit have to be in order to project the 'wholeness'?

So if zero could be achieved, existence would cease? Where would it go, back to the information field?

Maybe not so much existence would cease but certainly the perception of motion/time, it would be more a case of knowing/seeing every-thing simultaneously rather than in byte-size.

[sjw40364]

@sjw40364

As long as something exists I don't think absolute zero is a possibility.

So if zero could be achieved, existence would cease? Where would it go, back to the information field?

That's just it though, as long as one particle exists the space around it cannot be absolute zero, one inch away it may be, but not as you approach the particle. Anything particulate gives off energy, which is why space is not absolute zero and probably never will be. The question is; is the field the particle and the particle the field, or is the field only manipulated by the particle, or both?

[GaryN]

Have you seen this before

Yeah, I like the treeincarnation site, some good make-you-think material. Have you read the
Bucky stuff?
http://www.treeincarnation.com/audio/JustinLawless.htm
@sjw

The question is; is the field the particle and the particle the field, or is the field only
manipulated by the particle, or both?

Like Electron self-interaction you mean?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-energy
I have been trying to find time to read Feynmans Lost Lecture, on Google Books, I'm almost ignorant
of his stuff, I must admit.

http://books.google.ca/books?id=ysZI5Nc ... CEAQ6AEwBQ

[sjw40364]

@sjw

The question is; is the field the particle and the particle the field, or is the field only
manipulated by the particle, or both?

Like Electron self-interaction you mean?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-energy
I have been trying to find time to read Feynmans Lost Lecture, on Google Books, I'm almost ignorant
of his stuff, I must admit.

I'm wondering if particles are made up of this field or if the field is just an emitted thing, or separate and distinct in itself?

[GaryN]

JaJa:

Does that mean that a proton vortex is spiraling away from the pinch and that some-where
in the pinch is the neutral ground...

Me:

Or positrons going the other way and annihilating where they meet?

This guy thinks it could be the answer to our energy needs. Differing magnitudes
of pinch may explain everything from the Sun to the Magnetar and black hole,
if it is a bi-directional process.
Particle Annihilation - A Source of Renewable Energy?
http://blog.hasslberger.com/2012/02/par ... _sour.html

[GaryN]

Young stars flicker amidst clouds of gas and dust

Looks to me like a Coulomb crystal formation zone. These are planets, planetoids, moons etc
in a flux tube. They will be ejected into space eventually, to add to the millions, maybe billions
of 'orphaned' objects now thought to exist just in the Milky Way.

Does the Milky Way harbor billions of orphaned planets?
http://astrobob.areavoices.com/2011/05/ ... y-planets/

[GaryN]

Earth’s Magnetic Field Is Produced By An External Dynamo System, Not An Internal Dynamo
Researcher finds that Earth’s magnetic field is not produced by an internal dynamo. Nor is it produced by ocean current. The dynamo is outside the Planet!

http://www.epraerospacenews.com/2009/10 ... al-dynamo/

[GaryN]

Globular clusters do not contain millions of stars. They are all planet or moon/moonlet sized bodies. Most likely, globular clusters are Oort spheres, and our solar system would probably appear the same from a distance. Or do stars in clusters not behave like other stars becuause gravity in a cluster is not the same as gravity outside a cluster? I'll bet it's that pesky dark something or other at work again.
47 Tuc

Missing Planets In Globular Clusters

In 1999, a team of 24 astronomers used the Hubble Space Telescope to search for planets in the cluster named 47 Tucanae. Their method was to look for dark planets crossing the bright disks of the cluster's stars. After patiently watching 34,000 stars, they came up empty-handed. For some unknown reason, planets never formed around the stars in 47 Tucanae -- or in any other globular clusters checked so far.

http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf134/sf134p04.htm

[GaryN]

The Lunar poles show what I consider to be an anomalously high level of cratering, and I can't imagine how gravity might explain it. I recently found this image of Mercury,

which appears to show a concentration of cratering along a ring, or segment of, around the planet, as well as large polar craters, or surface disruption of some sort. I'm wondering now if it isn't possible that at times of Solar system wide increased energy flows or fields, that the polar auroral ovals seen on the planets might become active enough that they discharge to the polar regions, creating the disruptions. In a similar way, sufficient energy levels could create an externally charged torus, similar to our Van Allen belts, close enough to the surface such that glow mode or arc mode discharging will occur along the length of the torus, and that such discharges will produce the surface effects observed.
This might mean that the planets, moons, and even lesser bodies may produce the E/M structures required to create a torus and the charge levels needed to modify their own surfaces. Mad, or what?
This also leads my Mad mind to envision a scenario where the planets, out to an unknown distance, may have been created in a very short time, in a "Big Surge" of energy released when the flux tube our Sun resides in was pinched to the point of severance, producing the primal spark of creation.
So should I increase or decrease my dosage of medical Marijuana?

[GaryN]

Pan.

Iapatus.

A fast spin rate when it was just a young 'un is the cause, they say.
Vesta.


Well I'd say my mad ideas have more chance of being correct than the young, hot, spinning, impactor struck models proposed for these objects. The mechanism is much more likely to be plasma wave induced ring currents, and the self-induced magnetic forces exerted by those currents interacting with their own magnetic fields in a toroidal configuration. Charge is bound to be created. Quite obvious, really.

[GaryN]

The anatomy of a stellar outflow

(Phys.org) -- Astronomers used to think that star formation simply involved the gradual coalescence of material under the influence of gravity. No longer. Making a new star is a complex process, among other things assembling a circumstellar disk (possibly preplanetary in nature) and at the same time ejecting material as bipolar jets perpendicular to those disks. These outflows help the young star balance its growth as new material accretes, but at the same time they disrupt the environment. Although jets from young stars have been known for over twenty years, their influences on the environment have remained uncertain, in part because the dusty natal clouds in which stars form obscure optical light.

http://phys.org/news/2012-05-anatomy-st ... tflow.html

I have yet to receive any information proving that these are outflowing jets. Sampling rates and durations are not of sufficient resolution to show an outflow, and the flow could just as well be inwards. If the central object in the pinch were to be spinning at a very high rate, a fluid dynamics model would show that long thin vortices would be created at the poles. Something is being sucked in through the vortices, and being flung out by the high rate of spin, and that something will assume the 'garden sprinkler' spiral that we see as the spiral of the 'galaxies', which are really Solar systems much like ours, likely on vastly differing scales.

[dahlenaz]

Pan is truly and odd one. What is its orientation with reference to the ring plane? It's toroidal bulge may
captivate some eyes but the opposing pitted peaks raises my curiosity. In the photo at the link below
you will see the Pan and the wakes(?) it creates, which actualy looks to have a spiraling characteristic.
You will also see Daphnis and a very odd effect it appears to have of the inboard ring which is the
opposite of the outboard ring.. What is going on there, (from an electric perspective). 3dzp

http://www.saturntoday.com/news/viewsr. ... ?pid=40860

[GaryN]

Pan is truly and odd one. What is its orientation with reference to the ring plane?

Hi dahlenaz. Judging by Saturn in the background, it looks to be pretty well aligned.
I don't believe the rings are shaped by gravity though. They are dusty plasma 'flywheels'. There will be plasma density waves. There are images of objects interacting with the rings, and the brightness at the interaction point is most likely from a discharge glow.

I still haven't seen an expalnation of this video, but it looks to me like attraction, then replusion of an approaching moonlet, and most likeley offers the reason for growth of those moonlets, as at each interaction there will be deposition of the dust from the ring to the moonlet surface. And probably a 'crater' or two added. The fact that the object does not punch through the ring indicates the strong longitudinal magnetic field present in the ring, hence my flywheel analogy. The video dropout would be from strong RF noise during charge equalisation.

This radio image of Saturn shows, I say, the charge field around the primary torus,and I'd propose it is the undelying cause of the rings.

This image leads me to think that moonlets are seeded in the boundary layers vortices formed between the rings, and grow as they oscillate between the rings and aquire layers through sputter deposition.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... spokes.jpg
That's my interpretation, and I'm sticking to it 'till a better one comes along!

[dahlenaz]

Since seeing that moon and the activity being seen in its adjacent ring, as well as that of Daphnis, i've had
thoughts reflecting back on some electrostatic experiments involving rotating disks. I saw an image
used in a TPOD (http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2011/arch ... hadows.htm) that also grabs my attention
since it looks like a side view of a weld bead, further coaxing reflection back to some discharge experiments
mentioned in a book i have. I hoping to find a way to coax discharges from a disk, through smoke and to a
simulated planet,, all in an effort to reproduce what has been seen at Saturn. Any suggestions? 3dzp

[dahlenaz]

Here is something to think about with reference to Saturn's moon Daphnis and my earlier question about
it's interactions with the inner ring being opposite of the outer ring. I am wondering, first off, the speed
of the rings relative to the moon. That could be combined with something that i observed from CRT
experiments and the way that discharges of the surface behaved. Discharge was alway localized and limited
in direct proportion, in surface area, to the charge potential only discharged to that limit. For crater chains,
the first discharge created a full circle and adjacent discharges, if overlapping, only created a partial circle.
Imagine for a minute the rings having a state of charge potential and the moon offers a path. If the outer
ring were to be moving faster than the moon and the adjacent inner ring, might the moon be getting pulled along? As it approaches an area of the inner ring -that has not experienced 'regional discharging'- a discharge
is triggered.
This behavior was regularly observed in CRT discharge experiments. Movement of the probe relative to
the screen would trigger 'only' localized discharging.
In the case of the outer ring from Daphnis, if it is moving faster than the moon then new un-discharged
regions would be advancing on the moon. These factors, if actual to the system, might explain the
appearance of opposing regions of activity seen in the image.

Here again is the link to the image i'm pondering.
http://www.saturntoday.com/news/viewsr. ... ?pid=40860

3dzp