The EM Universe

Beyond the boundaries of established science an avalanche of exotic ideas compete for our attention. Experts tell us that these ideas should not be permitted to take up the time of working scientists, and for the most part they are surely correct. But what about the gems in the rubble pile? By what ground-rules might we bring extraordinary new possibilities to light?

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Re: The EM Universe

Post by fosborn_ » Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:49 pm

GaryN wrote:Hi allynh,
That Milky Way/ Crescent Earth shot is getting pretty boring to me. I just wish they'd
point the camera away from the Earth and show us what can be seen. Oh, and show us the
Sun through a solar filter too. Stubborn, aren't I?
So if they did it and the stars and sun were visible, what would it prove to you?
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Re: The EM Universe

Post by GaryN » Fri Jan 27, 2012 1:22 pm

So if they did it and the stars and sun were visible, what would it prove to you?
It would prove to me that I am as crazy as some folk think I am! You got something??
I was hoping Don Pettit, currently on the ISS with his tricked-out Nikon, would
be able to show us something new and different, but seems it's the same old
stuff, requiring the ionosphere. Boring.
http://astrobob.areavoices.com/files/20 ... 24x641.jpg
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Re: The EM Universe

Post by fosborn_ » Fri Jan 27, 2012 1:39 pm

GaryN wrote:
So if they did it and the stars and sun were visible, what would it prove to you?
It would prove to me that I am as crazy as some folk think I am! You got something??
I was hoping Don Pettit, currently on the ISS with his tricked-out Nikon, would
be able to show us something new and different, but seems it's the same old
stuff, requiring the ionosphere. Boring.
http://astrobob.areavoices.com/files/20 ... 24x641.jpg
So their current altitude in the ionosphere is ok, if they can see stars?
What does "tricked-out Nikon" mean? No I have nothing new at this point. But now that I've stepped in it again, guess I can give it all another look. :)
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Re: The EM Universe

Post by GaryN » Sat Jan 28, 2012 12:30 pm

What does "tricked-out Nikon" mean?
Modified.
http://www.spencerscamera.com/nasaconversion.cfm
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Re: The EM Universe

Post by GaryN » Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:07 pm

Observations on the Sun.
The NASA conveyor belt model.
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The Sun has hemispheres
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http://www.oma.be/BIRA-IASB/Scientific/ ... lobal.html
The current sheet when the south pole goes north.
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http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/sc ... rentsheet/
The Sun looking like it is the center of a spiral galaxy
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The polar holes are supplying energy (as well as beaming some out) in the
form of a dense longitudinal magnetic tension 'wire'. What exactly occurs
at the point of maximum magnetic tension, I am still strying to
imagine, but I think a 'spark', of a type of light we have never layed
eyes on, begins the building of another little Universe. The center becomes
a null point, the tensed magnetic wires the antenna that produces all the
vibrations the whole machine needs to function and grow.The EU model is
missing longitudinal magnetic tension, and modulation! The Universe vibrates!
This scales up to the BH too, of course.
Longitudinal magnet forces?
http://jap.aip.org/resource/1/japiau/v5 ... horized=no
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Re: The EM Universe

Post by JaJa » Sat Feb 11, 2012 2:38 am

I am still strying to imagine, but I think a 'spark', of a type of light we have never layed
eyes on, begins the building of another little Universe.
Hello Gary, do you think its a similar kind of 'spark' that starts the heart beating?

http://youtu.be/05Io6lop3mk

See from 4.56 on the video link...
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Re: The EM Universe

Post by sjw40364 » Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:33 am

Everything vibrates or oscillates and spins. It's how we tell time from the oscillation of cesium atoms. So if some of the smallest things are its likely the entire infinite universe is as well.

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Re: The EM Universe

Post by GaryN » Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:13 am

Hello Gary, do you think its a similar kind of 'spark' that starts the heart beating?
Hi Jaja, you got me there, hadn't thought about it. I've read about what
keeps the heart beating, the atrial sinus node mechanism, and it's amazing.
Being a cyberneticist (amongst many other things ;-) ), that was required
reading. But I do think the heart is more than just a pump, probably way
more than we as yet realise.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical ... _the_heart
See from 4.56 on the video link...
That's a clasic, but I think the use of non-Newtonian fluids adds that
little something. Wonder what happens with 2 frequencies?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaYvYysQvBU
Everything vibrates or oscillates and spins.
Seems that way sjw, but would an electron stop spinning if we could reach
absolute zero?
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Re: The EM Universe

Post by JaJa » Sun Feb 12, 2012 6:33 am

GaryN wrote:
I've read about what keeps the heart beating, the atrial sinus node mechanism, and it's amazing [...] But I do think the heart is more than just a pump, probably way more than we as yet realise.
I agree the node mechanism is amazing, do you think the molecular structure reaches a critical mass in size and complexity before the Heart comes 'alive' so to speak? Have you come across Frank Chester before, his models and demonstrations about the Heart being a vortex is pretty cool stuff?

The Heart is way more than just a pump, it’s intelligent and it communicates electromagnetically with the brain and other organs, tissues and cells.
http://www.heartmath.org/research/scien ... tions.html

Traditionally, the study of communication pathways between the "head" and heart has been approached from a rather one-sided perspective, with scientists focusing primarily on the heart’s responses to the brain’s commands. However, we have now learned that communication between the heart and brain is actually a dynamic, ongoing, two-way dialogue, with each organ continuously influencing the other’s function. Research has shown that the heart communicates to the brain in four major ways: neurologically (through the transmission of nerve impulses), biochemically (via hormones and neurotransmitters), biophysically (through pressure waves) and energetically (through electromagnetic field interactions).
So... if we at this 'humble' human level communicate via electromagnetic fields with our own cells [which have receivers in the double layer] then interaction with another person who is surrounded by a field and who also has billions of tiny cellular receivers/transmitters will produce an information exchange, we might not always understand the exchange, hence we can sometimes walk into a room and 'sense' a bad 'vibe' or feel that something is wrong. If this is scaled up to the Sun then the sun communicates to the planets through field interaction... or currents moving across the surface of spheres - pack em in close enough and the surface area will create the 'birkeland' pathways.
Wonder what happens with 2 frequencies?
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But you knew that anyway... :?

In relation with your EM universe can we apply self-similar patterning? If I remember correctly, Ray Tomes was posting on the forum some way back about the wave patterns he had found in the universe and correlations he had found with planets.

http://ray.tomes.biz/index.htm

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Taking this a little bit further...

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Fuller's Vector Equilibrium 12 Spheres around 1
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Schematic of Vertices in the Vector Equilibrium

If you look at Fuller’s Vector Equilibrium [12 Spheres around 1] as a representation of a galaxy, the yellow sphere as the central source, one can see how the principle of 12 constellations was born from the tetrahedral atomic bond

Just some thoughts... ;)
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Re: The EM Universe

Post by GaryN » Mon Feb 13, 2012 1:59 pm

Just some thoughts...
Excellent thoughts, good post JaJa. The Frank Chester vid is very interesting, will watch
it all soon. Ray Tomes is a wealth of information, and Fuller is, IMO, a must read if you
are to try and understand how Universe works.(I asked Mile Mathis if he had read Fuller, and
he hasn't, but I think he might sometime. Oh, and he also still hasn't decided on if
stars can be seen by eye in space. Stumped??) And the vortex, well, where would we be
without it? It is the electron vortex spiraling into the pinch that starts the ball of
physical existence rolling, I believe.
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Re: The EM Universe

Post by fosborn_ » Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:00 pm

[Quote] GaryN »
Oh, and he also still hasn't decided on if
stars can be seen by eye in space. Stumped??)
[Quote]

Do you have permission, to quote your question to him and quote his response ?
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Re: The EM Universe

Post by GaryN » Mon Feb 13, 2012 8:50 pm

Not quoted, paraphrased. Technically, I can quote the whole Email, unless he specifies otherwise.
"Correspondence is not protected by the Copyright Act in Canada. So if you're Canadian, you can legally
publish correspondence without permission of the writer."
"Queries to strangers are "on the record" unless specified otherwise."
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Re: The EM Universe

Post by JaJa » Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:01 pm

GaryN wrote:It is the electron vortex spiraling into the pinch that starts the ball of physical existence rolling, I believe.
Does that mean that a proton vortex is spiraling away from the pinch and that some-where in the pinch is the neutral ground...

What are your thoughts on reality being projected into 3D from 2D?
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Re: The EM Universe

Post by sjw40364 » Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:01 pm

GaryN wrote:Seems that way sjw, but would an electron stop spinning if we could reach
absolute zero?
Since the universe never has in the eternity it's been here, I doubt if it ever will. Too much energy radiating everywhere and too much movement. As long as something exists I don't think absolute zero is a possibility.

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Re: The EM Universe

Post by GaryN » Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:05 pm

Does that mean that a proton vortex is spiraling away from the pinch and that some-where
in the pinch is the neutral ground...
Or positrons going the other way and annihilating where they meet? But yes, there are always
2 complementary energies in a system. Yin and Yang. And yes, a null at the centre of the pinch.
Or hows about, based on the plasma/reconnection model, JLs Impulse Magnifying Transmitter?
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The pinch is also a stretch, so if the longitudinal magnetic tension is too much, there is a break.
Maybe an oscillation begins, causing huge impulses, and so a pulsar, at the higher end of the scale.
http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpB ... =10&t=3295
What are your thoughts on reality being projected into 3D from 2D?
Nonsense. 0D projected into 3D is more like it! :D Information made whole, and how big/ massive
is information?

@sjw40364
As long as something exists I don't think absolute zero is a possibility.
So if zero could be achieved, existence would cease? Where would it go, back to the information field?
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