Essential Elements of EU Theory

[Lloyd]

WORKING PAPER
I'm doing a working paper on the CNPS forum on the Electrodynamic Universe, which I'm abbreviating EDU at:
http://forums.naturalphilosophy.org/for ... hp?fid=132

I was told to start by listing the essential elements of the theory, along with definitions. So below is what I've listed so far. I didn't list double-layers etc, because they don't seem to be essential for an overview. If I've left out anything important, or didn't define something well, let's discuss. We can discuss here or in the CNPS discussion thread at the above link (but you'd have to register there first).

EDU ESSENTIAL ELEMENTS

Electrodynamics: electricity as the strongest force in the universe, many orders of magnitude stronger than gravity
Plasma: ionized gas and dust usually mixed with neutral atoms and molecules
Filaments: plasma strings in space, some visible, most invisible
Cosmic Circuits: filaments between and within galaxies as electric circuits
Electric Discharge Modes: cosmic electricity (electric discharge) occurring in high-powered arc mode, medium-powered glow mode and low-powered dark (invisible) mode
Star Formation: electric filaments becoming magnetically pinched and forming stars and planets, initially as hot plasma
Power Source: filaments-supplied electrical energy to stars
Cosmic Charge: stars and planetoids mostly charged, rather than neutral
Catastrophism: cataclysms among stars and planetoids on perturbed paths making close encounters producing megalightning, or high-powered electric discharges, between bodies resulting in craters and other major erosional features; electric tidal effects also may cause inundations from oceans
Myth: garbled reports from the ancients about former conditions and cataclysms on Earth

[Cargo]

Space: 99% Plasma

[jacmac]

electricity as the strongest force in the universe, many orders of magnitude stronger than gravity

Actually 39 orders of magnitude stronger.
To get a grip on how big that is, the current national debt of the US is only 12 orders of magnitude
bigger than that $20 bill in your pocket !

[querious]

EDU ESSENTIAL ELEMENTS

Electrodynamics: electricity as the strongest force in the universe, many orders of magnitude stronger than gravity

What about the strong(er) force?

[jacmac]

The "strong" force in physics only exists within the nucleus of atoms.

strong force definitionen.wikipedia.org
In physics, the force that holds particles together in the atomic nucleus and the force that holds quarks together in elementary particles. Note: As the name implies, this is the strongest force known in nature.

[Lloyd]

Thanks for comments. Were any essential elements left out of the above list? Or are any of the definitions wrong? I guess I should revise the first definition a little, to say the electric force is the strongest long-range force.

I don't know that it matters at this point how much stronger the electric force is than gravity, and I've heard several figures, besides 10^39. It may help to know what calculations the statement is based on. Can anyone find out?

[jacmac]

Lloyd,
I would use the term electromagnetic. The term electrodynamics puts you into serious physics which might not be a good place to start.

I suggest a statement that there is electricity in space, and that it can easily dominate gravity.

Your use of "many" orders of magnitude was a bit vague. It could have meant 5 or 6. But 39 orders of magnitude is more directly a VERY large number. It is in the first chapter of any introduction to physics books I have seen.

As Cargo said, space is almost all PLASMA.
The filaments are Plasma filaments.

Perhaps a more favorable term for, and the importance of, mythology than "garbled reports" would be better.

ALSO:

Lloyd,
Thank you for posting those great links to new articles in technology and space science.
I find them very useful.
Jack

[antosarai]

Isn't the statement that cosmic electric currents run in steady, stable circuits one of the main, most essential tenets of EU theory?

[Lloyd]

Isn't the statement that cosmic electric currents run in steady, stable circuits one of the main, most essential tenets of EU theory?

I think Cosmic Circuits covers that okay. Details can be added when going deeper.

Jacmac, these are reasons I chose the term Electrodynamic Universe theory:
https://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005 ... hballs.htm
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2011/ ... namic1.htm
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2010/ ... 01duo2.htm

If Thornhill or someone asks for a different name to be applied, I'll change it. And it's nice that you get something out of the weekly sci and tech links I post on NIAMI each Sunday.

[jacmac]

Jacmac, these are reasons I chose the term Electrodynamic Universe theory:

That's good Lloyd, I just had not seen that term used much in the forum.

[querious]

I don't know that it matters at this point how much stronger the electric force is than gravity, and I've heard several figures, besides 10^39. It may help to know what calculations the statement is based on. Can anyone find out?

Depends on what you consider as the "elementary" unit of mass, and how the force of gravity of 2 of those masses compares to the electrostatic force of 2 elementary charges, at the same distance.

So, should you choose the proton, neutron, top quark, electron, muon, electron-neutrino, bottom quark, z_boson, or the Higgs particle to be the "elementary" unit of mass? Who knows? Personally, I'd use the top quark. But, you'll get a different answer depending on your particular choice, and there are lots of others to choose from.

[Lloyd]

I just checked out a video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdbTVuTHDiE which compares the electric and gravitational forces by dividing the constant in Coulomb's equation with the gravitational constant and the electric force there is a little over 20 orders of magnitude greater than gravity for two objects 1 meter apart.

[querious]

I just checked out a video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdbTVuTHDiE which compares the electric and gravitational forces by dividing the constant in Coulomb's equation with the gravitational constant and the electric force there is a little over 20 orders of magnitude greater than gravity for two objects 1 meter apart.

That's meaningless, because a kilogram is not comparable to a coulomb. You are not comparing apples to apples.