Is MOND theory another denial mechanism for the mainstream?

[comingfrom]

Thank you, Justatruthseeker.

Which totally avoided the fact that Maxwells equations require a medium for the propagation of light.

I did avoid it.
I didn't see a question there, and, this topic is about MOND theory, not Maxwell.

Thanks for the link though.
Interesting reading Einstein's thoughts on the ether in 1920.
~Paul

[Justatruthseeker]

Thank you, Justatruthseeker.

Which totally avoided the fact that Maxwells equations require a medium for the propagation of light.

I did avoid it.
I didn't see a question there, and, this topic is about MOND theory, not Maxwell.

Thanks for the link though.
Interesting reading Einstein's thoughts on the ether in 1920.
~Paul

There wasn't a question. Just pointing out that you believe particles are moving through empty space, yet use Maxwell's equations which require a medium. If you want light to be a particle and not a wave then someone needs to redo the equations....... you can't rely on equations that require a medium then just decide you don't want one. Wait, yes you can, since mainstream does it all the time....

No need for MOND. People just need to stop trying to sledgehammer gravitational theory to where it doesn't apply. It only applies to non-ionized matter .1% of the universe, planetary systems. The other 99.9% is plasma and is dominated by the electromagnetic forces. That's why they have to add 96% ad hoc theory because they used the wrong physics to begin with. Gravity wouldn't need modified if they stopped trying to apply it where it doesn't dominate the actions.

[Justatruthseeker]

But let me add that I do find it fascinating that water as we know is composed of particles and produces a specific wave pattern. It is not a wave, but under special circumstances behaves like one.

Just as light is a wave and produces a specific pattern mistaken as a particle patter, as under certain circumstances it behaves as a particle.

But there is no confusing the fact that water is particles, and so it's pattern is a particle pattern. What was believed to be a particle pattern was produced by electrons, which we now believe to be waves, not particles. Therefore since light produces this same pattern, it as well can not be a particle, but a wave, that under certain circumstances can be mistaken as a particle, as the particles of water can be mistaken for a wave under certain circumstances. Water can produce wavelike motions, but is not a wave, but particles participating in a wavelike motion.

[comingfrom]

Thank you, Justatruthseeker.

There wasn't a question. Just pointing out that you believe particles are moving through empty space, yet use Maxwell's equations which require a medium.

I take the medium to be a field of particles.
I can't imagine anything else it could be.

If you want light to be a particle and not a wave then someone needs to redo the equations....... you can't rely on equations that require a medium then just decide you don't want one. Wait, yes you can, since mainstream does it all the time....

Both photons and electrons are known to behave as either wave or particle.

Since a particle can easily have a wave motion, and a wave cannot behave like a particle,
therefore I believe in particles.

No need for MOND. People just need to stop trying to sledgehammer gravitational theory to where it doesn't apply. It only applies to non-ionized matter .1% of the universe, planetary systems. The other 99.9% is plasma and is dominated by the electromagnetic forces. That's why they have to add 96% ad hoc theory because they used the wrong physics to begin with. Gravity wouldn't need modified if they stopped trying to apply it where it doesn't dominate the actions.

I totally agree.
In fact, need to get rid of it.

While they are trying to explain things with modified gravity the real cause is being ignored.

But let me add that I do find it fascinating that water as we know is composed of particles and produces a specific wave pattern. It is not a wave, but under special circumstances behaves like one.

Just as light is a wave and produces a specific pattern mistaken as a particle patter, as under certain circumstances it behaves as a particle.

But there is no confusing the fact that water is particles, and so it's pattern is a particle pattern. What was believed to be a particle pattern was produced by electrons, which we now believe to be waves, not particles. Therefore since light produces this same pattern, it as well can not be a particle, but a wave, that under certain circumstances can be mistaken as a particle, as the particles of water can be mistaken for a wave under certain circumstances. Water can produce wavelike motions, but is not a wave, but particles participating in a wavelike motion.

It is not too hard to visualize.
If you add an end over end spin to a particle, it's linear motion becomes a sine wave.
If you add another spin to that, it will have a three dimensional spiral wave in its forward linear motion.

~Paul

[Justatruthseeker]

Since a particle can easily have a wave motion, and a wave cannot behave like a particle,
therefore I believe in particles.

Yet as I pointed out we know water is made of particles and can behave as a wave and produces a specific interference pattern. If light was particles like water behaving as a wave, it should produce this same interference pattern.

I think light becomes a particle when its motion is slowed by interaction with matter. Matter is after all energy condensed (not the best descriptive word but can't think of another). It doesn't cease to exist, but becomes a particle at the subatomic level, beyond our ability to detect.

I totally agree.
In fact, need to get rid of it.

or just finally subsume it under electrodynamics where it belongs. It's how non ionized particles behave in a voltage field verses how ionized particles behave. Oil drop experiments tell us that, not just the charge of an electron.

While they are trying to explain things with modified gravity the real cause is being ignored.

Couldn't agree more, but mainstream has a phobia against electromagnetic interactions. That seemingly spooky action at a distance scares them.

It is not too hard to visualize.
If you add an end over end spin to a particle, it's linear motion becomes a sine wave.
If you add another spin to that, it will have a three dimensional spiral wave in its forward linear motion.

~Paul

You require another particlefor it to have a spiral motion around. A particle is not going to spiral around a common center point without something causing it, like the planets spiral around the sun. Now he calls it a vortex in the following video, but that's incorrect, even if the motion he portrays is correct.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0jHsq36_NTU

I submit it to show that without something being the common center point, a spiral of a particle is null and void.

Also end over end implies an oblong particle, not round. And as far as I know all particles we have so far measured are round. A spinning basketball in whatever direction creates no sine wave pattern.

But again, water is particles acting as a wave creating a specific interference pattern. If light was particles acting as a wave that same interference pattern would be produced. It goes far beyond mere wavelike motions.

[comingfrom]

Thank you, Justatruthseeker.

I submit it to show that without something being the common center point, a spiral of a particle is null and void.

Nice animation, but it isn't the only way to get wave motion.

Also end over end implies an oblong particle, not round.

No, the particle has to be spherical.
The four stacked spins below forces that.

When a particle has four spins, it no longer has a wave motion, but is a particle with a larger (8x) radius.
New spins can then be added to that.

~Paul