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Post by Michael Mozina » Wed Mar 01, 2017 1:13 pm

https://briankoberlein.com/about/
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The goal of One Universe at a Time is to convey an understanding of our Universe in a way that is honest and free of hype. Modern astrophysics is complex, and the conclusions we can draw from our findings is often subtle. One Universe at a Time focuses on peer-reviewed evidence to present our best current knowledge. When there is scientific controversy, various views will be discussed. When I have a particular opinion on a finding it will be stated as such.
https://briankoberlein.com/2014/02/25/t ... -universe/
The standard model predicts that the Sun will produce copious amounts of neutrinos due to nuclear interactions in its core. The EU model predicts the Sun should produce no neutrinos. The EU model clearly fails this test, because neutrinos are produced by the Sun.
I'm trying to figure out how the mainstream can pretend to claim that they are interested in, or promoting "honest science" when they go so far out of their way to be *dishonest* in their presentation of EU/PC theories? Can anyone explain that to me?

It's not as though any professional *astronomer* bothered to correct Koberlein's *bonehead* misrepresentation of Thornhill's statements on this topic. Do any of them have any scientific ethics at all?

I used to believe that "scientists" were naturally curious by nature, and scientifically ethical at least. It's pretty clear however that this is simply not the case. No so called "professional" has corrected Koberlein's error in almost three years, and Koberlein flat out banned anyone and everyone from the EU/PC community that tried to correct him.

Is there any ethics left in science at all?

Honest science? WTF?

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Re: Honest Science

Post by D_Archer » Wed Mar 01, 2017 1:51 pm

This may be something > https://www.quantamagazine.org/20151216 ... f-science/
The crisis, as Ellis and Silk tell it, is the wildly speculative nature of modern physics theories, which they say reflects a dangerous departure from the scientific method. Many of today’s theorists — chief among them the proponents of string theory and the multiverse hypothesis — appear convinced of their ideas on the grounds that they are beautiful or logically compelling, despite the impossibility of testing them. Ellis and Silk accused these theorists of “moving the goalposts” of science and blurring the line between physics and pseudoscience. “The imprimatur of science should be awarded only to a theory that is testable,” Ellis and Silk wrote, thereby disqualifying most of the leading theories of the past 40 years
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I would go back to Tesla, annoint him as our science god and not Einstein, that would have been so much better. Historically real science took a beating by political propaganda/influence, it is actually a conspiracy...

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Re: Honest Science

Post by Zyxzevn » Wed Mar 01, 2017 4:00 pm

Scientists are not honest.
Some know it, but many do not even know how dishonest they are.
That is because of the way most scientists are thinking.
They have worked so much with certain assumptions, that they
assume that these assumptions are facts.
Like people that are in a religion.

From there everything that does not match their assumptions seems wrong,
even when we can clearly point out that many of their assumptions are wrong.

People who are not closed minded can work with more explanations at the same time.
They know that their assumptions can be false at some level. They work with the observations
in a purer way. They see that their knowledge is limited and that limited knowledge
can lead to false conclusions. They often do not work as scientists because of that.

But because many scientists have been schooled to think in one certain way,
they lost the capability to think in more directions. They have been trained to follow
a certain path, and to follow that path over and over again, for every problem that they find.
They also train others to do the same, and punish/expel everyone who is not doing what they are doing.
Like people that are in a religion.

That is why some scientists believe in magnetic reconnection, even when it is physically impossible.
They invoke miracles like the big bang, unicorns like dark matter, etc.
They keep following that same path over and over again.
They can not even ask themselves the question: Are we wrong?
Just like people that are in a religion.
More ** from zyxzevn at: Paradigm change and C@

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Re: Honest Science

Post by JouniJokela » Wed Mar 01, 2017 10:52 pm

Zyxzevn wrote:Like people that are in a religion.
Yes.
It's pure waste of time to try to win any such a conversations. Max Planck states well about the situation;
Max Planck wrote:A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it.
He also recognized how progress is made;
Max Planck wrote:New scientific ideas never spring from a communal body, however organized, but rather from the head of an individually inspired researcher who struggles with his problems in lonely thought and unites all his thought on one single point which is his whole world for the moment.
He actually also made this progress;
Max Planck wrote: As a man who has devoted his whole life to the most clearheaded science, to the study of matter, I can tell you as a result of my research about the atoms this much: There is no matter as such! All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particles of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. . .
And, he also recognized, that Science can be turned to religion, and you actually need both, to be able to maintain the Honesty.
Max Planck wrote: No matter where and how far we look, nowhere do we find a contradiction between religion and natural science. On the contrary, we find a complete concordance in the very points of decisive importance. Religion and natural science do not exclude each other, as many contemporaries of ours would believe or fear. They mutually supplement and condition each other. The most immediate proof of the compatibility of religion and natural science, even under the most thorough critical scrutiny, is the historical fact that the very greatest natural scientists of all times — men such as Kepler, Newton, Leibniz — were permeated by a most profound religious attitude.
Source; https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Max_Planck

I see that the important input of the religion is simply that you stop believing to your fellow human beings. As doing this, gives you the confidence to freely create your own thoughts in loneliness. And these true scientist are thus able to go any path, even if it's already said to be "false" by others.

This said, I must conclude that ie. Catholic church is as false religion, as the Dark Matter is false science. True science is similar as "quakers"-religion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quakers

We just don't need predicts & priests, if we just remain honest to Nature. So pls, note, that thus it's also not necessary, that we start to predict by ourselfs, and start to behave like some priests to others.

No matter what is our level of understanding, it will not be complete. And we will end being clowns like this by our selfs;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4PbPbPKJIQ
So why bother.

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Re: Honest Science

Post by Webbman » Sun Mar 05, 2017 9:48 am

most science these days is a gangster operation meant to keep you confused and distracted and them comfortable.

there are literally thousands of universities worldwide, you would expect extreme innovation, but that's not what you see. The guy in the garage still does the heavy lifting.
its all lies.

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Re: Honest Science

Post by JouniJokela » Wed Mar 08, 2017 11:34 am

Webbman wrote:The guy in the garage still does the heavy lifting.
Yep.

And you can see this either as a Positive or as a negative thing.

If you think all the money "wasted" in the universities, this is a Negative thing. (It's not wasted, you just cant do this stuff with a salary-basis.)

But If you think the fact more thoroughly, that it's actually still aloud to find some fundamental facts in your own home, you can take this permit on your hand, and accept the fact, that you could, by your self, do something which is scientifically really remarkable. There is nothing which can prevent you. The nature is around us.

I my self am most proud of this video;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQoBO93 ... AjdYYUgOFE
As it simply proves the Reynolds number to nonsense. Turbulence is truly something else than just a roughness and velocity. If you want to understand something more about this turbulence problematik, spend a half anhour with this video;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_oyqLO ... AjdYYUgOFE
At 7:45 - 8:30 is actually explained the same fact that is shown in my own video.

Btw, I am quite close to complete this quest. I have an idea how to calculate the fundamental reason for turbulence from the speed of light, similarily as I've already done here to the states of matter;
https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... d_of_Light
and it sort of completes, this older paper of mine, from Turbulence;
https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... Turbulence

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Re: Honest Science

Post by Michael Mozina » Wed Mar 08, 2017 5:23 pm

I personally find the self-imposed ignorance of EU theory by the mainstream to be arrogant enough and bad enough *without* the blatant dishonesty that is being directed at EU/PC theory by the mainstream on the internet. Bridgman, Koberlein and Scholes have all gone out of their way to publicly *misrepresent* the facts on various aspects of EU/PC theory, and that's not including all the misinformation and lies that they spew under anonymous handles. They simply don't care about "truth" at all. That kind of unethical behavior just pisses me off.

If they want to wallow around in pure ignorance of real physics for their entire professional careers, that's their business. When they go out of their way to *lie* about various aspects of competing theories, that's a whole different issue. When did they become so unethical that truth simply doesn't matter anymore? How do they even look at themselves in the mirror and called themselves 'scientists"?

I'm sure that most astronomers are reasonably honest people with a lot of personal integrity. On the other hand, it's clear that at least some of them are unethical in the extreme, and those vocal individuals are allowed to go completely unchecked by the mainstream. The mainstream has no public ethics, and no sense of public fair play and fair competition.

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Re: Honest Science

Post by webolife » Fri Mar 10, 2017 1:19 am

There are many honest scientists out there [and in here].
What is more lacking, imo, is integrity in science journalism. Hence the comment in the cartoon about the internet.
An opinion is an opinion. If a scientist states her/his claim as such, that is honest science. If a scientist states basic data from research or experimentation, makes some inferences, and state some conclusions based on those inferences and data, then one question remains, and this question imo divides the honest scientist from the dishonest:
"What premises am I openly declaring, from which my conclusions are ultimately derived?"
If the scientist is acknowledging those premises, that is honest science.
If those premises are reported, that is honest science reporting.
If there is no acknowledgment, yet the conclusions are stated tentatively, then at best the reporting is honest but incomplete, and at at worst possibly misleading.
If, as I find to be the predominant case, basic premises are presumed and presented as fact, dishonest science ensues.
On the darker side, there are frauds, and fraudulent reporting... folks who knowingly create, distort or misrepresent the facts in order to support their case. I've skated dangerously close to this in my distant past, and endeavor to steer wide and clear of this to the best of my ability.
Truth extends beyond the border of self-limiting science. Free discourse among opposing viewpoints draws the open-minded away from the darkness of inevitable bias and nearer to the light of universal reality.

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Re: Honest Science

Post by willendure » Fri Mar 10, 2017 4:49 am

webolife wrote: What is more lacking, imo, is integrity in science journalism.
I don't see integrity as the problem in science journalism so much as laziness or perhaps under-qualification. There are plenty journalists who would have higher integrity if it were not for the demands of their editors.

I say laziness, because all science articles tend to be almost exactly the same. Read the announcements of the discovery of gravity waves by LIGO for example. All these bulletins read almost identically, probably just mostly cut and paste from the original press statement given out by LIGO. None take a critical stance. I just think its a 'big story' and they need to get their copy out and are not qualified to really understand the science (I mean, who is qualified to understand all of science). Supposedly it's got to be pitched at a the lowest common denominator level for the general public.

And the graphics artists. Yeah, they do a wonderful job with their pictures of black holes and exo-planets and all the rest. Or get us all excited about wars with lovely 3d cut-away images showing how a tanks armor works or how a plane drops a laser guided bomb. I think they are bigger liars than the lazy journos.

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Re: Honest Science

Post by sketch1946 » Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:32 am

Greetings,
willendure wrote:<...>There are plenty journalists who would have higher integrity if it were not for the demands of their editors.
http://www.abc.net.au/radionation
I think it's a world wide trend related to declining traditional media sales...
...dumbing down of the news, increasing corporatisation and consolidation of media ownership...
years ago, who knows, we might have been writing letters to the editor of the local newspaper :-)

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/busines ... af03c5bea9

Newspapers and magazines aren't making so much money out of sales but more importantly their advertising revenues are dwindling...

"The other major problem facing serious commercial media outlets is that two major tech firms—Google and Facebook—are increasingly swallowing up the lion's share of online advertising revenue."

"According to Britain's Financial Times, around 85c in every new dollar spent on digital in the United States in the first quarter of this year went straight to those two companies. They're getting the profits because they dominate mobile, and increasingly mobile platforms are where people are looking for news."

"Dr David Levy, the director of the Reuters Institute for the Study of Journalism at the University of Oxford, says social media is rapidly becoming the main way people access information. The Institute produces an annual report on digital news trends. This year's study surveyed more than 50,000 news consumers across 26 countries."

"Just last week The Guardian Media Group announced an operating loss for the last financial year of £69 million ($121 million). After asset write-downs their total loss was closer to £173 million ($305 million). In an attempt to stem their losses the company has shed more than 260 jobs this year and more are expected to go."

"Until only a few years ago, the newsrooms of major news organisations—essentially newspapers—employed between 200 to 400 journalists each. That scale was required, Beecher says, in order to cover the quality journalism essential for a functioning and transparent democracy: reporting on politics, business, culture, the law, crime and education, for example."

"For Beecher, the endless shrinking of newsrooms and the crisis in media generally represents more than just a commercial disaster. In Australia, he argues, with a small population and a media base that is already highly centralised, it represents a risk to civic society."

"...'In a democracy like ours, civic journalism that scrutinises power and politics and business and holds power to account, really is the most important of the three pillars: the government pillar, the judiciary, and then the media or journalism,' he says."
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/pro ... sm/7679066

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Re: Honest Science

Post by sketch1946 » Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:46 am

Greetings again,
D_Archer wrote:The crisis, as Ellis and Silk tell it, is the wildly speculative nature of modern physics theories, which they say reflects a dangerous departure from the scientific method.
You-all are probably familiar with this guy, Henri Poincare,
but just in case you haven't read this book of his,
I think it's really worth reading:

Henri Poincare
"Science and Hypothesis"
"The Value of Science"
"Science and Method"
(published 1925)
https://ia600200.us.archive.org/24/item ... 063537.pdf

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Re: Honest Science

Post by webolife » Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:46 pm

willendure and sketch,
I agree with all your comments. Good to have a forum like this where such sober reflection on the integrity of scientific methodology and thought is not met with "anti-science" diatribe. We need to continually check and correct ourselves and each other to make sure we don't commit the same errors we are criticizing in the mainstream media.
Truth extends beyond the border of self-limiting science. Free discourse among opposing viewpoints draws the open-minded away from the darkness of inevitable bias and nearer to the light of universal reality.

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Re: Honest Science

Post by sketch1946 » Sat Mar 11, 2017 3:44 am

Hi webolife,
webolife wrote:We need to continually check and correct ourselves and each other to make sure we don't commit the same errors we are criticizing in the mainstream media.
Yep, I fully agree with that.. very healthy to have sound objections and criticisms,
also a good test of a theory is whether it can be explained clearly to others...

Anybody heard of Karl Popper?
IMHO he's a guy with some good ideas about science, especially about the healthy application of skepticism, tolerance and the search for truth:

"Popper argued strongly <...> holding that scientific theories are abstract in nature, and can be tested only indirectly, by reference to their implications. He also held that scientific theory, and human knowledge generally, is irreducibly conjectural or hypothetical, and is generated by the creative imagination to solve problems that have arisen in specific historico-cultural settings."

Popper: "Logically, no number of positive outcomes at the level of experimental testing can confirm a scientific theory, but a single counterexample is logically decisive: it shows the theory, from which the implication is derived, to be false. To say that a given statement (e.g., the statement of a law of some scientific theory)—call it "T"—is "falsifiable" does not mean that "T" is false. Rather, it means that, if "T" is false, then (in principle), "T" could be shown to be false, by observation or by experiment. Popper's account of the logical asymmetry between verification and falsifiability lies at the heart of his philosophy of science. It also inspired him to take falsifiability as his criterion of demarcation between what is, and is not, genuinely scientific: a theory should be considered scientific if, and only if, it is falsifiable.

Popper: "It is true that I have used the terms "elimination", and even "rejection" when discussing "refutation". But it is clear from my main discussion that these terms mean, when applied to a scientific theory, that it is eliminated as a contender for the truth—that is, refuted, but not necessarily abandoned. Moreover, I have often pointed out that any such refutation is fallible. It is a typical matter of conjecture and of risk-taking whether or not we accept a refutation and, furthermore, of whether we "abandon" a theory or, say, only modify it, or even stick to it, and try to find some alternative, and methodologically acceptable, way round the problem involved. That I do not conflate even admitted falsity with the need to abandon a theory may be seen from the fact that I have frequently pointed out, that Einstein regarded general relativity as false, yet as a better approximation to the truth than Newton's gravitational theory. He certainly did not "abandon" it. But he worked to the end of his life in an attempt to improve upon it by way of a further generalization."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Popper
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Re: Honest Science

Post by Roshi » Sat Mar 11, 2017 3:45 am

How can anyone build a career in today's science environment without repeating exactly what their teachers say, if they care about their "career in science"? When they get money for experiments, they can't be honest and say "We found nothing, give us more money for another kind of experiment based on a different hypothesis". That would mean: "We were wrong and spent your money looking for the wrong things, still give us another million $, maybe we will find something, maybe not"... That is what a honest researcher would say, and probably he will get no more $ for research ever.

No way they can say that. They say "Give us more money, we finally devised an experiment that will prove we are right!"... Not an experiment to discover stuff, just an experiment to strengthen our faith about what our prophets said...
The hypothesis is good, it's eternal and marvelous, it's a Law from God, the Universe could end but the hypothesis will remain. They just need more money for a different kind of experiment based on the same assumption, and so on, forever. They cannot admit their fault, because if they say "I was wrong", they say in fact "thousands of scientists from the last century are wrong".

It's like searching for some lost keys, forever, in the same drawer in your house... But, because the hypothesis is eternal, God told us that the result will come one day, and it will confirm the hypothesis, because if it does not - the equipment was faulty, the hypothesis is holy and cannot be wrong.

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Re: Honest Science

Post by sketch1946 » Sat Mar 11, 2017 4:16 am

G'day Roshi,
Roshi wrote:they can't be honest and say "We found nothing, give us more money for another kind of experiment based on a different hypothesis". That would mean: "We were wrong and spent your money looking for the wrong things, still give us another million $, maybe we will find something, maybe not"...
Haha, good point...

"The Large Hadron Collider took about a decade to construct, for a total cost of about $4.75 billion. There are several different experiments going on at the LHC, including the CMS and ATLAS Detectors which discovered the Higgs boson. CERN contributes about 20% of the cost of those experiments, which is a total of about $5.5 billion a year. The remainder of the funding for those experiments is provided by international collaborations. Computing power is also a significant part of the cost of running CERN - about $286 million annually. Electricity costs alone for the LHC run about $23.5 million per year. The total operating budget of the LHC runs to about $1 billion per year."

"Taking all of those costs into consideration, the total cost of finding the Higgs boson ran about $13.25 billion...."

"The intriguing hint of a possible resonance at 750 GeV decaying into photon pairs, which caused considerable interest from the 2015 data, has not reappeared in the much larger 2016 data set and thus appears to be a statistical fluctuation"
http://www.sciencealert.com/it-s-offici ... l-particle
We found it!....mmm... No we didn't....

"It's official, we haven't found a new fundamental particle"
"The infamous “diphoton bump” that arose in data plots in December has disappeared, indicating that it was a fleeting statistical fluctuation rather than a revolutionary new fundamental particle. And in fact, the machine’s collisions have so far conjured up no particles at all beyond those catalogued in the long-reigning but incomplete “Standard Model” of particle physics. In the collision debris, physicists have found no particles that could comprise dark matter, no siblings or cousins of the Higgs boson, no sign of extra dimensions, no leptoquarks — and above all, none of the desperately sought supersymmetry particles that would round out equations and satisfy “naturalness,” a deep principle about how the laws of nature ought to work.

“It’s striking that we’ve thought about these things for 30 years and we have not made one correct prediction...."

"Some theorists argue that the time has already come for the whole field to start reckoning with the message of the null results."

Contrast that with a man who had the most amazing often literal grasp on electricity, shunned, forgotten, crank, eccentric, inventor of just about everything... like fluoro tubes, high tension a/c power generation, transformers, induction motors, laser, lightning towers etc etc:

Tesla did something supposed to be the precursor to atom smashing in a bottle:

"and that is why Tesla’s carbon-button lamp may be described
as an ancestor of the atom-smasher using the hard carborundum
button in a nearly air-exhausted globe, connecting it to a source of
high, rapidly alternating current, he caused the remaining molecules of
air to become charged, thus to be repelled at increasingly high
velocities from the button to the glass globe, and thence back to the
button, shattering the carbon beads in the button into atomic dust
which joined the oscillating air molecules to cause even further
disintegration.

“If the frequency could be brought high enough,” he said...

"He made a particle-pushing machine of glass and sealing wax.
The disk-shaped vacuum chamber was only four inches wide. Inside
were two electrodes, each shaped like half a round cake box and
called D plates. Outside the vacuum chamber was a powerful elec-
tromagnet Electrified particles or protons were whirled in a magnetic
field in the circular chamber until they attained very high speed and
were then fired out of the chamber in a narrow stream of high-speed
atomic bullets. Lawrence’s first model was called a cyclotron because it
whirled the protons in circles. Soon he built a larger one that fired
protons up to energies of 1.2 million electron volts."

"Whether Tesla was actually smashing the carbon’s atomic
nucleus, as his first biographer thought, has little bearing on the
revolutionary nature of his achievement The inventor himself de-
scribed the molecules of the residual gas as violently impinging on the
carbon button and causing it to rise to an incandescent state, or a near-
plastic phase of the solid."
https://ia800208.us.archive.org/23/item ... f-Time.pdf

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