Mathematical model for the electric universe

[Robbie_G]

Paul,

Indeed water is a polar molecule(overly simplified description) and likely the oxygen atom has the ability to attract more electrons than the 2 required to complete it's outer orbital shell especially in the aggregate bulk form that most water exists in.

Gerald Pollack from U of Washington is researching an interfacial liquid crystal formed by water. It concentrates negative charge and beyond this structure it expels protons(charge separation) which should also behave as a sink for negative charge.

It is formed on hydrophilic surfaces that water is brought into contact with and self-assembles on it. The crystal structure according to Pollack is similar to ice except that the two planar protons are ejected as it is formed. It exhibits chirality, it's negatively charged, it demonstrates semi-conductor abilities, it increases the concentration(density) of oxygen compared to bulk water, and it also has unique optical qualities. I'd also consider that it may have a relationship to the bio-photon signalling mechanisms within living cells, because it is also sensitive to 380nm em radiation;
(If bio-photons are responsible for the cellular signalling of living molecules, then life is a quantum computer, and the universe itself may be coherently organized around this type of architecture, behaving in a coherence permitted by quantum mechanics and the exchange particle of the electro-magnetic force~Light! Is the universe then alive itself? ~one can only wonder at it in astonishment and amazement!)

Much of the cell is composed of hydrophilic surfaces(cell membrane for one) and this lyquid-crystal is thought to be the dominant state that water is converted into within a cell.

It is interesting that in the earth's crust itself the two most abundant compounds are water and silica dioxide(silica sand). Silica sand is highly hydrophilic and much of it is in contact with water. The abundance of this liquid crystal that must result in these conditions on earth must enhance the ability of the earth's crust to behave as an electron trap and help enhance the established negative charge of the crust! ~60KV negative according to Tesla
~Robert

[comingfrom]

Thank you, Robbie.

That's why we can see the water in clouds.

The water magnetizes to the positive ions that leaked down from ionosphere into the lower atmosphere, oxygen end first. And more and more water molecules magnetize around the ion, all oxygen ends pointing towards the ion. The water forms a kind of crystalline structure, and being all lined up like that, refract more sunlight. If frozen, these crystals become snowflakes. If they are strongly charged ions, they go round and round in the cloud energetically, collecting water until they become hail stones.

Outside the cloud of ions, where the water molecules are drifting around in a random fashion, they refract sunlight in all directions, making the atmosphere appear a transparent blue.

There is not more water in the cloud than outside of it.
In fact, the cloud's double layer protects it from outside atmosphere.

Maybe hydrophilic is just a word for appropriately charged.
~Paul

[Robbie_G]

Paul,

Sure but what does that all have to do with the negative charge of the earth?

~Robert

[JouniJokela]

After reading your post in the planetary science section, I don't know what to say to you anymore.
I was stunned to see you postulate a theory that requires mass.

Matter, not mass. The mainstream say "mass is given by "higgs boson".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_mechanism
Cause it's allready found that all bosons would be massless; etc. (it's a mess with serious contradictions)

As I have understand the "electric universe" it's an idea where to whole world is based on Electric interactions through plasma and other ionizated matter /charged particles.

In my view this is like 80% all correct, still it's written here like;
https://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2013/0 ... ers-guide/

Though not replacing gravity, the Electric Universe adds the essential role of charged particles in motion.

My name to this is the "kinetic theory". And I've found it can and does replace even the gravity completely.

So it seems to me that the people talking about "EU" are like figured it all completely correct, but the only thing missing is to accept all the consequences which follows from this idea; The last steps. I make further posts about this to my "own threath".http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpB ... 10&t=16249

[comingfrom]

Thank you, Robbie.

Sure but what does that all have to do with the negative charge of the earth?

It is simply part of my explanation for the charge separation which happens at Earth.

If the atmosphere didn't sort out the positives, then the earth wouldn't be negatively charged.

~~~~~
Thank you, Jouni.

Matter, not mass. The mainstream say "mass is given by "higgs boson".

Without matter you have no mass.

I don't believe the mainstream, but if that were true what they say, then it is matter which the Higgs boson gives mass to.

Cause it's allready found that all bosons would be massless; etc. (it's a mess with serious contradictions)

Precisely my thought, when I heard that they predicted a mass of the Higgs particle.

As I have understand the "electric universe" it's an idea where to whole world is based on Electric interactions through plasma and other ionizated matter /charged particles.

That might be too broad a brush.

In my view this is like 80% all correct, still it's written here like;
https://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2013/0 ... ers-guide/
Though not replacing gravity, the Electric Universe adds the essential role of charged particles in motion.

My name to this is the "kinetic theory". And I've found it can and does replace even the gravity completely.

The problem with a one or the other theory, is that then you don't have opposing forces.

Lagrange achieved significant success by using opposing math, though he never had an explanation for it.

So it seems to me that the people talking about "EU" are like figured it all completely correct, but the only thing missing is to accept all the consequences which follows from this idea;

The smarter EU proponents say EU theory has just begun.

And who knows, maybe EU will get stuck in its own dogma in a decade or two, much like mainstream did.
It is after all, the way of men.
~Paul

[Robbie_G]

Paul,

I don't think your description is the cause for the negative charge, but it may be a factor!

You might enjoy Robert Becker's book, "The Body Electric" It's an old book, but he also explains at one point the electromagnetic source for the L-form amino acids that dominate life on earth! It seems the solution to this puzzle was solved 60 years ago and remains lost in time to this day!

~Robert

[JouniJokela]

The problem with a one or the other theory, is that then you don't have opposing forces.

The smarter EU proponents say EU theory has just begun.

And who knows, maybe EU will get stuck in its own dogma in a decade or two, much like mainstream did.
It is after all, the way of men.
~Paul

It seems that you are pretty close. The Mass/matter thing -doesnt matter- (pun intended) to me. It's just words, and I can't see inside your head to prove your picture for these words.

But why are you close? "opposing forces"! YES.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrifugal_force
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centripetal_force

There is your opposing force. When you realize that it's all fictitious, then you can see how that the mass is a "pseudo-thing" too.
You are not decades away. I would say months.
If the EU is not adjusted by Gravity&mass. It will get stuck.

[upriver]

"A strange new property of light, which correlates the spin of a light wave’s electric field with its momentum, could usher in a new age in photonics.
SEE THE LIGHT

A new discovery links the spin and momentum of light waves, and could mean a major advance in the development of new photonic and spintronic devices.

Scientists from Purdue University have discovered a property of light waves called “spin-momentum locking,” which means that a rotating electric field accompanying light moves in a certain direction according to the photons’ momentum. In other words, light waves spinning counterclockwise move only “forward,” those spinning clockwise move only “backward.”

[upriver]

Hmmmmm...

Anyways I thought something like this would be a perfect opportunity for EU to make some electrical/mathematical predictions about the nature of the universe... I think its a peek into the fundamental operation of our universe...

"An important signature of the recently discovered quantum spin hall (QSH) state of matter is the existence of
electronic surface states which are robust to disorder (non-magnetic impurities) [1, 2]. This property arises since
the spin of the electron is intrinsically locked to the direction of propagation (momentum) and the electrons cannot backscatter unless there is a spin-flip [3]. Intriguingly, recent experiments have explored an analogous phenomenon in photonics showing polarization dependent directional propagation of optical modes in spontaneously emitted as well as scattered light [4–11]. For example, experiments have shown that spontaneous emission from atomic transitions is preferentially uni-directed along a fiber depending on the magnetic quantum number of the excited state [8]. On the other hand, surface plasmon polaritons excited with circularly polarized light have also demonstrated unidirectional propagation [5, 6]. One common thread in these experiments is the evanescent wave which leads to a clear hint that the effect is tied to fundamental properties of decaying waves and not the details of the nanophotonic structures. A quantum field theoretic treatment has also recently shed light on the interesting spin properties of evanescent waves [12, 13]. However, there is an urgent need for a unified theory about the inherent origin of this effect and its underlying connection to experiments. In analogy with the behavior of electrons in the quantum spin hall effect, we call this phenomenon “spin-momentum locking”. In this paper, our central contribution is the proof that spin-momentum locking is universal behavior for electromagnetic waves which stems from the complex dispersion relation of evanescent waves and fundamental causality requirements. We introduce a universal triplet consisting of momentum, decay and spin of evanescent waves. We show that the Stokes parameters for an evanescent wave unambiguously reveals that every fast decaying evanescent wave is inherently circularly polarized irrespective of how it originates. Furthermore, this inherent handedness (spin) is locked to the direction of propagation (momentum). "

http://arxiv.org/pdf/1504.06361v2.pdf

[celeste]

I think its a peek into the fundamental operation of our universe...

This property arises since the spin of the electron is intrinsically locked to the direction of propagation (momentum) and the electrons cannot backscatter unless there is a spin-flip [3].

Thank you for this. Now are you ready for the large scale? Yep. Spin is related to the direction of propagation for planets too. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFnUdaHM7OE

If you can't get through this video, (sorry Jim, it is tedious), just see that the direction of propagation for planets, is locked to the direction of planets and sun down our current filament. Simply,, spin is directly related to direction of propagation, for small charged particles like electrons, or large scale objects, like gas giant planets.

[seasmith]

~
Why are they so flabbergasted ?
Have they never ridden in a motorboat ?

[upriver]

Where does the Right hand rule come??

Macroscopic Spin Momentum locking.

If you have a bunch of electrons in a wire going in the same direction it would manifest as a Curl magnetic field outside the wire....

[Webbman]

which is why when I hear tales of "antimatter" I usually call bullshit.

I imagine everything spins according to the rule of the galaxy which seems to be the right hand rule. After all, electricity is not governed by gravity. Perhaps other galaxies are different.

light moves the same way because it is a corkscrew of strands that follows the same rule.

and electrons don't move in a conductor! They transfer aligned wave energy from one to another. Metals can do this because the electron rings are close together. The closer they are the better they conduct. The farther apart they are the more heat/light you get. Some metals are better conductors than others! The only time the electron moves in a conductor is when it is either destroyed as heat or ejected as a photon. In both cases the conductor is degraded.

[upriver]

which is why when I hear tales of "antimatter" I usually call bullshit.

I imagine everything spins according to the rule of the galaxy which seems to be the right hand rule. After all, electricity is not governed by gravity. Perhaps other galaxies are different.

light moves the same way because it is a corkscrew of strands that follows the same rule.

and electrons don't move in a conductor! They transfer aligned wave energy from one to another. Metals can do this because the electron rings are close together. The closer they are the better they conduct. The farther apart they are the more heat/light you get. Some metals are better conductors than others! The only time the electron moves in a conductor is when it is either destroyed as heat or ejected as a photon. In both cases the conductor is degraded.

I agree. Its the field that jiggles the electron but the work is done by the force generated by the field.
I would more specifically say that electrons transfer kinetic energy, actually the field carries the kinetic energy and work (force) is expressed by its interaction with mass...

[upriver]

which is why when I hear tales of "antimatter" I usually call bullshit.

I imagine everything spins according to the rule of the galaxy which seems to be the right hand rule. After all, electricity is not governed by gravity. Perhaps other galaxies are different.

light moves the same way because it is a corkscrew of strands that follows the same rule.

So galaxies rotate because of the Macroscopic momentum locking by the electrons(electric field) in the jets...
You heard it here first..... 4\14\2016

Brant