magnetic pole shift

[redeye]

I was thinking about magnetic pole shifts in the Earth's history the only way I can imagine this happening would be if the Earth passed through Jupiter's magnetosphere. Jupiter's magnetic field has the opposite orientation of the Sun's magnetic field.

Just a thought.

Cheers!

[bdw000]

Don't the geologists claim that the earth's magnetic field is getting weaker right now? The rate of decrease is not trivial. The theory is that when it gets to zero is starts building back up in the opposite polarity, if I remember correctly.

[bboyer]

I was thinking about magnetic pole shifts in the Earth's history the only way I can imagine this happening would be if the Earth passed through Jupiter's magnetosphere. Jupiter's magnetic field has the opposite orientation of the Sun's magnetic field.

Just a thought.

Cheers!

The solar magnetic field orientation apparently flip-flops with the minima-maxima of the observed sunspot cycle (roughly every 11 years, supposedly). Does Jupiter's (or for that matter, Saturn's) magnetic orientation change? So far haven't come up with anything about it while searching.

[lizzie]

Redeye said: I was thinking about magnetic pole shifts in the Earth's history the only way I can imagine this happening would be if the Earth passed through Jupiter's magnetosphere.

Solar storms?

http://www.survive2012.com/geryl1.php

In the book Earth under Fire I came upon the correct theory. More precisely, in the chapter entitled "Solar Storms and Geomagnetic Flips." The astronomer Paul La Violette writes “Field flips have been accomplished experimentally, by shooting large quantities of loaded particles on a strong bipolar magnet. These particles are then caught in the magnetic fields and cause a "ring-stream" in them. At a certain moment this stream speeds up to such an extent that the field of the magnet reverses completely.”

In an equivalent scenario the field of the earth can reverse in just the same way. Astronomers know that the particles of a solar storm can compress the earth's magnetic field and temporarily speed up the power of the earth's field.

When the solar particles reach our planet, the electromagnetically-loaded particles will move in a spiral along the magnetic lines: from the magnetic north pole to the magnetic south pole and back. While passing this north-south axis, they will move into the direction of the equator. When they arrive there, they will join into a super powerful "ring current."

This "ring current" generates an intense magnetic field that is opposite to the earth's magnetic field. In order to overpower the earth's magnetic field you need a solar flame a hundred times more forceful than the biggest one we have ever seen. At the reversal of the magnetic field of the sun this degree will certainly be reached.

From here on, my point of view deviates from that expressed by Paul La Violette. Not only will the poles reverse, but also the earth will begin to rotate in the opposite direction! This can only occur when the "ring current" pushes the inner core of the earth in the opposite direction.

Everybody knows that when you change the poles of an electric motor, it will start turning the other way. The same holds for the interior of the earth. When an external short circuit takes place, the core cannot do otherwise but start turning in the opposite direction!

[bboyer]

Hmm. Something of the magnitude of a head-on, major CME (Coronal Mass Ejection) just might do the trick. According to this site, http://www.windows.ucar.edu/tour/link=/ ... l&edu=high, CME's weren't even discovered until the '70's. I don't think Earth has experienced one of these head-on since we've been aware of and watching them has it? Close calls and fringe bursts, maybe, but have we experienced a direct one in modern times? How would we know prior to the era of global electronics? When might we have been directly hit, what might the corollary effects have been? The video clips I've seen of them are pretty damned impressive to say the least.

[Steve Smith]

Magnetic field reversals are a theory based on misinterpretation of the magnetic "striping" on the seafloor and lava flow inconsistencies.

From Science Daily September 2008:

The main magnetic field, generated by turbulent currents within the deep mass of molten iron of the Earth's outer core, periodically flips its direction, such that a compass needle would point south rather than north. Such polarity reversals have occurred hundreds of times at irregular intervals throughout the planet's history – most recently about 780,000 years ago – but scientists are still trying to understand how and why.

The assumptions are: the Earth has a liquid iron interior. The Earth generates a magnetic field through a "dynamo" effect. The reversals have happened hundreds of times. The last time was almost a million years ago.

The Electric Universe theory is diametrically opposed to those assumptions.

[lizzie]

Arc-us said: I don't think Earth has experienced one of these head-on since we've been aware of and watching them has it?

Is it possible that Maurice Cotterell and Adrian Gilbert’s sunspot theories point to such close encounters?

http://www.zahdio.com/

http://www.cogwriter.com/end-mayan-calendar-2012.htm

[BullSchmutz]

Magnetic field reversals are a theory based on misinterpretation of the magnetic "striping" on the seafloor and lava flow inconsistencies.

From Science Daily September 2008:

The main magnetic field, generated by turbulent currents within the deep mass of molten iron of the Earth's outer core, periodically flips its direction, such that a compass needle would point south rather than north. Such polarity reversals have occurred hundreds of times at irregular intervals throughout the planet's history – most recently about 780,000 years ago – but scientists are still trying to understand how and why.

The assumptions are: the Earth has a liquid iron interior. The Earth generates a magnetic field through a "dynamo" effect. The reversals have happened hundreds of times. The last time was almost a million years ago.

The Electric Universe theory is diametrically opposed to those assumptions.

What is the EU explanation for striping and magnetic field reversals?

[Steve Smith]

Imposed, external electric discharges to Earth from space and back again.

Magnetic field envelopes are rare in Solar System planetary bodies. Several, like Mars or Mercury, possess crustal magnetism, but no encompassing field. Some suggestions have been made that Mercury's field is global, but if that is the case, the field is extremely weak. Ganymede has a magnetic envelope -- unexplainable using consensus hypotheses.

As far as we can tell, the gas giants are the remaining bodies with fields that encompass the planet.

[Steve Smith]

Responding to an earlier point: there are two ways to flip a magnet's orientation.

1. Turn it over.

2. Hit it with a bolt of lightning.

V chose the former, preferring to think that Earth was actally inverted when the Comet Venus passed close enough to grip the fields and pull it off-axis by 203.44 degrees as it passed by. The Earth's axial tilt, according to V, is not 23.44 degrees.

Electric Universe proponents currently (no pun) choose the latter. Multiple electric discharges flipped the magnetic orientation rapidly and repeatedly in the memory of humanity. This explains the Sumerian multiple reversals.

[nick c]

Hi Steve,

Responding to an earlier point: there are two ways to flip a magnet's orientation.

1. Turn it over.

2. Hit it with a bolt of lightning.

V chose the former, preferring to think that Earth was actally inverted when the Comet Venus passed close enough to grip the fields and pull it off-axis by 203.44 degrees as it passed by. The Earth's axial tilt, according to V, is not 23.44 degrees.

I think that you are right that Velikovsky opted for #1, but not to the exclusion of #2. As he theorized multiple catastrophic incidents perhaps he entertained both possibilities. In the section "Magnetic Poles Reversed" pps 143-147 of Earth In Upheaval he talks about changes in the orientation of the Earth's axis induced by the presence of a strong external magnetic field, which is to what (I think?) you are refering.
However in Worlds In Collision, p114 Doubleday ed, "The Reversed Polarity of the Earth"....

A thunderbolt, on striking a magnet, reverses the poles of the magnet. The terrestial globe is a huge magnet. A short circuit between it and another celestial body could result in the north and south magnetic poles of the earth exchanging places.

nick c

[BullSchmutz]

You are saying a massive lightning bolt reverses our field?

From where, the sun?

What would that look like, for people on earth?

[moses]

Responding to an earlier point: there are two ways to flip a magnet's orientation.

1. Turn it over.

2. Hit it with a bolt of lightning.

V chose the former, preferring to think that Earth was actally inverted when the Comet Venus passed close enough to grip the fields and pull it off-axis by 203.44 degrees as it passed by. The Earth's axial tilt, according to V, is not 23.44 degrees.

Electric Universe proponents currently (no pun) choose the latter. Multiple electric discharges flipped the magnetic orientation rapidly and repeatedly in the memory of humanity. This explains the Sumerian multiple reversals.
Steve

I doubt that the magnetic field was ever reversed. The electric currents, that produced the
magnetic striping, were merely in opposite directions. And the Earth's magnetic field is
derived from the Earth's crust, which got this magnetism from Birkeland currents which
passed by the Earth in Saturnian times.
Mo

[Steve Smith]

No, there aren't any field reversals going on today. The last time was most likely around 5000 years ago.

I don't know if whatever happened torqued the rotational axis -- as V wrote about when he described Earth "turning over" in the section about Joshua in WIC. Since the Sun's movement across the sky supposedly changed (according to Hebrew mythology), V surmised a change in the axial tilt greater than 180o.

I tend to favor the electric discharge hypothesis at this point. I do think the bathymetric striping is from electric current flowing through the strata at some time in the past. If I implied otherwise, it was an error on my part.

I don't think that the Earth's field is generated from the crust, but from an electrical input charging up the planet's plasma core. Since the oppositely charged electrode (planet? plasma cloud?) exchanged charge equalization with Earth multiple times, each body swapped polarization multiple times. The fields could have reversed and reversed again in a matter of minutes or hours over an extended period.

[Steve Smith]

I created this image a few months ago, so that I could have something to "see" that made sense to me. It illustrates what might have been one of the smaller electric filaments scouring the Arizona desert.

Ygdrassil -- Steve Smith

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