Everything That is Wrong With Modern Science

[junglelord]

Funny how your mute about us and the stars.
Also, like I said, a "theory" that claims we will not leave the planet is behind Apollo, let alone Skunkworks and Ben's statement that we ourselves, the good old USA has the technology to take ET home....now just who the hell is ET?
We take Him home....We go to the Stars, only an Act of God will Release this information....therefore Ben did release it personally and God Bless Him for that. Canada's own Wilbert Smith also left us the truth with direct evidence that the USA had a Saucer Technology that was NOT Ours..... We are not alone and we do go to the stars.

Bill is therefore incredibly wrong about that, totally and fully.

[junglelord]

I have a quote about how the CIA is involved in the media in a heavy way. The stories that run, be they fictional or "fact" are all controlled from above. Those who do this controlling are the experts of consciouness manipulation.
Their influence in all aspects of what you are "fed" cannot be under estimated. You are what you "eat".
If they do not want you to know about UFO fact, then they will make it UFO ridicule.
The media, the government, the industrial military complex, what your fed, national security...cannot be seperated.

Lights, Camera… Covert Action: The Deep Politics of Hollywood

Matthew Alford and Robbie Graham
Global Research
January 21, 2009

Here we build a prima facae case supporting the idea that Hollywood continues to be a target for infiltration and subversion by a variety of state agencies, in particular the CIA. Academic debates on cinematic propaganda are almost entirely retrospective, and whilst a number of commentators have drawn attention to Hollywood’s longstanding and open relationship with the Pentagon, little of substance has been written about the more clandestine influences working through Hollywood in the post-9/11 world. As such, our work delves into the field of what Peter Dale Scott calls "deep politics"; namely, activities which cannot currently be fully understood due to the covert influence of shadowy power players.


The Latest Picture


A variety of state agencies have liaison offices in Hollywood today, from the FBI, to NASA and the Secret Service. Few of these agencies, though, have much to offer in exchange for favourable storylines, and so their influence in Hollywood is minimal. The major exception here is the Department of Defense, which has an ‘open’ but barely publicized relationship with Tinsel Town, whereby, in exchange for advice, men and invaluable equipment, such as aircraft carriers and helicopters, the Pentagon routinely demands flattering script alterations. Examples of this policy include changing the true identity of a heroic military character in Black Hawk Down (2001) due to his real-life status as a child rapist; the removal of a joke about "losing Vietnam" from the James Bond film Tomorrow Never Dies (1997), and cutting images of Marines taking gold teeth from dead Japanese soldiers in Windtalkers (2002). Instances such as these are innumerable, and the Pentagon has granted its coveted "full cooperation" to a long list of contemporary pictures including Top Gun (1986), True Lies (1994), Executive Decision (1996), Air Force One (1997), The Sum of All Fears (2002), Transformers (2007), Iron Man (2008), as well as TV series such as JAG (1995-2005).

Such government activity, whilst morally dubious and barely advertised, has at least occurred within the public domain. This much cannot be said of the CIA’s dealings with Hollywood, which, until recently, went largely unacknowledged by the Agency. In 1996, the CIA announced with little fanfare the dry remit of its newly established Media Liaison Office, headed by veteran operative Chase Brandon. As part of its new stance, the CIA would now openly collaborate on Hollywood productions, supposedly in a strictly ‘advisory’ capacity.

The Agency’s decision to work publicly with Hollywood was preceded by the 1991 "Task Force Report on Greater CIA Openness," compiled by CIA Director Robert Gates’ newly appointed ‘Openness Task Force,’ which secretly debated –ironically– whether the Agency should be less secretive. The report acknowledges that the CIA "now has relationships with reporters from every major wire service, newspaper, news weekly, and television network in the nation," and the authors of the report note that this helped them "turn some ‘intelligence failure’ stories into ‘intelligence success’ stories, and has contributed to the accuracy of countless others." It goes on to reveal that the CIA has in the past "persuaded reporters to postpone, change, hold, or even scrap stories that could have adversely affected national security interests…"

These admissions add weight to several reports and Congressional hearings from the 1970s which indicated that the CIA once maintained a deep-rooted and covert presence in national and international media, informally dubbed "Operation Mockingbird." In its 1991 report, the CIA acknowledged that it had, in fact, "reviewed some film scripts about the Agency, documentary and fictional, at the request of filmmakers seeking guidance on accuracy and authenticity." But the report is at pains to state that, although the CIA has "facilitated the filming of a few scenes on Agency premises," it does "not seek to play a role in filmmaking ventures." But it seems highly implausible that the CIA, whilst maintaining a decades-long presence in media and academia, would have shown no interest in the hugely influential Cinema industry.

Indeed, it should come as no surprise that the CIA has been involved in a number of recent blockbusters and TV series.The 2001 CBS TV series, The Agency, executive produced by Wolfgang Petersen (Das Boot, Air Force One) was actually co-written by ex-CIA agent and Marine Bazzel Baz, with additional ex-CIA agents working as consultants. The CIA gladly opened its doors to the production, and facilitated both external and internal shots of its Langley headquarters as the camera gazed lovingly at the CIA seal. This arrangement was comparable to the Feds’ efforts on the popular TV series The FBI (1965-74) which was shaped by the Bureau in cooperation with ABC and which thanked J. Edgar Hoover in the credits of each episode. Similarly, The Agency glorified the actions of US spooks as they fought predictable villains including the Russian military, Arab and German terrorists, Columbian drug dealers, and Iraqis. One episode even shows the CIA saving the life of Fidel Castro; ironically, since the CIA in real life had made repeated attempts to assassinate the Cuban President. Promos for the show traded on 9/11, which had occurred just prior to its premiere, with tag lines like "Now, more than ever, we need the CIA."


Early Screening

Clandestine agencies have a long history of interference in the cinema industry. Letters discovered in the Eisenhower Presidential Library from the secret agent Luigi G. Luraschi (identified by British academic John Eldridge), the Paramount executive who worked for the CIA’s Psychological Strategy Board (PSB), reveal just how far the CIA was able to reach into the film industry in the early days of the Cold War, despite its claims that it sought no such influence.
http://www.infowars.com/?p=7265

[What_is_that]

With all the previous secrecy and the desire to maintain secrecy on a lot of things I can't help but wonder if what they, the secret people, say concerning certain things is also 'spin' mean to divert your attention to other things.

I was watching a documentary on Area 51 and UFOs merely for the sake of amusement and it dawned on me that a lot of the current stories, and the quick denial by the government of issues is all part of the cloak and dagger masking of the truth. Many people assume we have UFO tech. The government then plays into that stigma and says "no we don't". Since the government is automatically associated with lies and deceit we all assume that they really do have UFO tech. Its a clever way to mislead people down a path by playing with their own imaginations and beliefs. The government doesn't have to do anything except deny something and we convince ourselves of whats true and whats not. Then, further into the documentary a CIA guy comes on and pretty much describes this whole situation as a way to hide the truth from people. How uncanny.

I wonder if they apply the same tactics of persuasion to other areas.

Its hard to trust an establishment who you never know is telling the truth or not.

Junglelord is within his rights to believe what he wants. I just wanted to point out that its hard to know if what you're believing is the truth or not. Maybe what you, Junglelord, believe to be truth is more 'spin' meant to divert your attention? I'm sure you've thought of this already though.

[junglelord]

That is true but they had no reason to spin Wilbert Smith. The document that the CIA gave to Smith was right after Roswell and he was one of the few Canadians who knew the truth at that time. He left that memo to be found for reasons of validity. There is way to much disclosure to say that we are not alone, to me there is anyway. Ben Rich speaks of technology that would allow incredible things. The day before 9/11, Rumsfield said there was a war on the USA. It was spending to the tune of 3.2 Trillion dollars missing in the Pentagon. I believe that huge sum goes to Black Projects.

Rumsfield said he was going after the money and would find the answers....the next day the Pentagon was given a blank check and nothing was ever said about it...now bankers get blank cheques...bankers that are broke and cannnot manage money...man if that is not highway robbery, I do not know what is.

Meanwhile NASA Video shows way too many anomolies. I am an INFJ, which is a conspirator at heart and mind.
But what if its all true...go ask the Rothchilds. Who slept with Ayn Rand. Also it was JP Morgan and Rockerfeller that put Tesla outside of history books and education. You do the math.

[StevenJay]

Wow - no wonder the EU model is at such odds with mainstream consensus cosmology. According to Uncle Al, et al, the EU theorists' approach is completely bass-ackwards!

"It is the theory that determines what can be observed." -- Albert Einstein, mathematician, 1926



I think that just about sums it up.

[StevenJay]

With regard to the plethora of information vs disinformation vs misinformation vs misdirection being lavishly bandied about across the entire socio-political spectrum, consider this martial arts analogy: the best way to control an opponent is to keep him (them) off balance.

One of the primary objectives of those who feel compelled to control others is to keep the masses distracted (off balance). With what, it matters not. Any little thing will do, as long as there is a constant diet of it made available. The internet is a viable example of that, as it can be viewed as a double-edged sword. On the one hand, it is indeed a vast repository of data, which can be effortlessly referenced by almost anyone to gain knowledge and understanding of the world we inhabit.

On the other hand, the internet can easily become little more than a distracting quagmire of opposing concepts and just plain rubbish (an internet mainstay), wherein the undiscerning mind can, IMO, become virtually addicted to "input" (I feel that the subliminal influence of 60+ years of broadcast tell-a-vision has greatly facilitated that tendency).

I also feel that Western society places a disproportionate value on knowledge (intellect) over wisdom (intelligence), an imbalance which invariably leads to pain and destruction. Knowledge without wisdom is like a ship without a navigator; sooner or later, it's gonna crash into something!

- StevenJay: Recovering Internet Junky

[bboyer]

What StevenJay said. And said well.

[junglelord]

Passive Solar Heat via Solariums.
The Romans knew that Solariums were the way to heat and cool.
How do you think they had heating and cooling?
Why are our houses poorly designed?
Why is thermal modeling with isolated solar gain not used with all homes, in essence a solarium.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzGaLw__kdk

The sun room faces the equator.
The house is also situated for Winter and Summer angle of the sun.
All it takes is well designed glass and proper alignment of the home.
The thermal buffer zone solar gain is maximized in winter for heating by allowing full sunlight all day long.
in summer solar gain is minimized for cooling..no direct sunlight enters the solarium at any time of the day.

[ColdCowboy]

Just because he concludes that the sun will eventually "burn out" that means he is incompatible with the EU Club? Isn't exclusivity the mistake of mainstream physics which EU is trying to avoid? If he reads evidence and observations and comes to his own conclusions, which are different from yours, you write him off?

The point is, that saying the sun will burn out is the verbatim response of Popular Science magazine, and every other standard model monkey out there. This statement clearly implys that the sun will run out of fuel, something that doesn't jive with the EU model.

It is evident from your post that you have not actually thoroughly read Gaede's arguments and thought them through. His stance is that extinction for each species is inevitable the moment that species is born. He presents a theory on extinction compatible with this claim. He presents economic evidence and reasoned arguments to support his claim that the human race is not long for this world. I don't think it will happen nearly as fast as he thinks it will, but it is inevitable. No species literally lasts forever, eventually there's the "big crunch" or the "big freeze".

Big crunch and Big freeze? That sounds really standard model to me, about how the universe will end. And speaking of extinction being inevitable, perhaps yes, if you consider our present shape and form, but in the context of our conciousness, or souls, spirits, or pure sentience (whatever you want to call it) making the jump to other form or vessels to contain them, there is no evidence to suggest that doom is inevitable.

He has the gall to declare that we will never make it off this planet, and I'm not going to accept that sort of defeatism

Gall? Just because someone makes a claim that is different than yours, it must take "gall"?

Do you actually have any idea of the massive hurdles, technological and social, to supplanting a portion of the human race to another planet!? I think if you did, you'd at least be skeptical.

This guy Gaede has the classic George Carlin attitude, that people are some sick joke of the universe and ought to just be destroyed for our own good, before we contaminate the universe with garbage. Both men smack of profound bitterness, and I don't want a slice of that pie.

I think the interplanetary colonization is inevitable, simply by the economic demands and inherent greed and adventure prevalent to our species. We are also trying to expand the feeds for our economic systems, and that will translate in the next few centuries into off-planet enterprise. Humanity can do nothing else but build Empires, history proves that, and becoming masters of technology we will become, dare I say, MASTERS OF THE COSMOS. Ok, maybe thats pushing it, but at least will not remain trapped on this earth. Sometimes I wish I could have been born a few centuries ahead of time, to be a space colonists, or maybe, a Starship Trooper, LOL. Fighting for the Federation!

[Steve Smith]

Yeah, according to Electric Universe theory the Sun could go out any second.

It's my opinion that EU theory is frightening to most people because it removes stability from the equation. Gradualism gives one the soft blanket of familiarity and the assurance of a tomorrow much like today. EU theory defenestrates that notion.

Afterall, if plasma beams moved the planets around and carved-up the surface of the Earth 5000 years ago, there's no telling when that might happen again, or how many times it's already happened. If the gas giants are captured brown dwarf stars, then there's no telling how many brown dwarfs lie in the Solar System's path. What if the plasma sheath around another brown dwarf happens to encounter the heliosphere? Christmas lights all over the place, once again.

(Dwardu Cardona always says I'm only allowed one "what if").

Since there's currently no way to detect a brown dwarf, then we live within a vast uncertainty. It's tantamount to taking salvation by grace away from a Lutheran. It's no wonder people don't want to deal with that. We human beings are desperate for certainty, for meaning, for a reason behind this bloody madhouse. There is no reason and it could all end in the blink of an eye.

Personally, I think it's time for humanity to grow up and stop whining. Let go of mommy's skirt. Let go of the need for truth and reason. Accept the irrationality of existence and embrace absurdity. There will never be answers to anything. The best we'll ever be able to do is find new questions to ask. Then we die.

[ColdCowboy]

Bollocks

[webolife]

Steve, I think you meant to say, "Presbyterian"...

Steve Smith said: Personally, I think it's time for humanity to grow up and stop whining. Let go of mommy's skirt. Let go of the need for truth and reason. Accept the irrationality of existence and embrace absurdity. There will never be answers to anything. The best we'll ever be able to do is find new questions to ask. Then we die.

Do you really think so? Or are you just in an ornery cynical mood today?

[Grey Cloud]

I'm with Coldcowboy's bollocks - so to speak.

[junglelord]

Yeah, according to Electric Universe theory the Sun could go out any second.

It's my opinion that EU theory is frightening to most people because it removes stability from the equation. Gradualism gives one the soft blanket of familiarity and the assurance of a tomorrow much like today. EU theory defenestrates that notion.

Afterall, if plasma beams moved the planets around and carved-up the surface of the Earth 5000 years ago, there's no telling when that might happen again, or how many times it's already happened. If the gas giants are captured brown dwarf stars, then there's no telling how many brown dwarfs lie in the Solar System's path. What if the plasma sheath around another brown dwarf happens to encounter the heliosphere? Christmas lights all over the place, once again.

(Dwardu Cardona always says I'm only allowed one "what if").

Since there's currently no way to detect a brown dwarf, then we live within a vast uncertainty. It's tantamount to taking salvation by grace away from a Lutheran. It's no wonder people don't want to deal with that. We human beings are desperate for certainty, for meaning, for a reason behind this bloody madhouse. There is no reason and it could all end in the blink of an eye.

Personally, I think it's time for humanity to grow up and stop whining. Let go of mommy's skirt. Let go of the need for truth and reason. Accept the irrationality of existence and embrace absurdity. There will never be answers to anything. The best we'll ever be able to do is find new questions to ask. Then we die.

That whole scene would explain how revelations says the sun went dark....blood red.
Wow....thats trippy.

[lizzie]

Steve Smith said: Personally, I think it's time for humanity to grow up and stop whining. Let go of mommy's skirt. Let go of the need for truth and reason. Accept the irrationality of existence and embrace absurdity. There will never be answers to anything. The best we'll ever be able to do is find new questions to ask. Then we die.

Because mommy never wore skirts, it was more difficult for me to let go of daddy’s financial security blanket Wow. I think I will self-immolate now so I can get a head start on all my fellow human lemmings. There's no sense in waiting around for any of those sneaky brown dwarfs to get me. So that means T. S. Eliot was wrong - the world will end with a bang and not a whimper?