Electricity, Magnetism and Monopoles... Oh My!

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Chaos in Making leads to Concepts in Order

Post by FS3 » Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:53 pm

Can you see the part of a dichotron-instability in those radio lobes as well, especially in the lower example of 3C75?
StefanR wrote:...One calculates this still larger energy by assuming that the radio emission from the giant radio lobes is synchrotron radiation.
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This emission requires both a magnetic field and highly energetic electrons...
Look at this sketch here:
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It´s from a site by Dr. Julien Sprott, called Chaotic Attractors. "Strange Attractor" is a collection of points such that each point is a function of another point - in the above case - a 3D-attractor.

If I remember right I´ve read some nice thoughts here - connecting Chaos Theory to Electricism and further to Gravitation. There was some fascinating interactive Java-Applet somwhere on that topic too!

And then read some stuff about the link to Poncaré and the roots of chaos theory date back to about 1900, on the problem of the motion of three objects in mutual gravitational attraction, the so-called three-body problem. Poincaré found that there can be orbits which are nonperiodic, and yet not forever increasing nor approaching any fixed point:

http://eskesthai.blogspot.com/2005_06_01_archive.html

...especially:
http://eskesthai.blogspot.com/2005/06/d ... osmos.html

Any additional ideas?
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Re: Electricity, Magnetism and Monopoles... Oh My!

Post by StefanR » Wed Jul 29, 2009 2:23 am

It seems we have a new contender again, this time it is:
the spin texture of a Bose-Einstein condensate. These defects give rise to a vorticity field that is equivalent to the magnetic field of a magnetic monopole

“Since all experimental attempts to find magnetic monopoles have proven to be futile, there is no experimental evidence supporting the existence of magnetic monopoles,” Pietilä told PhysOrg.com. “Other types of monopoles without the Dirac string have been realized in experiments already in the early ‘90s in liquid crystals. An analogy of the real space magnetic monopole was reported to occur in the crystal momentum space of a metallic ferromagnet, but the experimental evidence in this case is somewhat indirect.

[...]

“Since magnetic monopoles have never been observed, it is pertinent to ask whether there is something unphysical in the whole concept,” he continued. “Our work shows that at least the Dirac monopole can be realized experimentally, thus indicating that it is more than just a theoretical curiosity. However, it should be stressed that our work does not tell anything about the existence of magnetic monopoles in the electromagnetic field.”

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The existence of magnetic monopoles has far-reaching implications for many research areas, including the laws of quantum mechanics, theories of elementary particles, and cosmology. Experimentally confirming the existence of monopoles would provide long-sought evidence for some ideas, and possibly open up the doors to other new ones.

“The existence of magnetic monopoles implies that the electric charge has to be quantized (that is, it can only appear as an integral multiple of the elementary charge),” Pietilä said. “Existence of magnetic monopoles has also certain cosmological implications. Since monopoles in general are related to the spontaneous symmetry breaking, they impact the unified theories describing the interactions between the elementary particles. In the context of condensed matter physics, monopoles typically arise as a manifestation of some exotic collective behavior of matter and can be used to explain the unusual characteristics of such systems.”
http://www.physorg.com/news167995625.html
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Re: Electricity, Magnetism and Monopoles... Oh My!

Post by Harry Costas » Wed Jul 29, 2009 5:30 am

G'day from the land of ozzz

Some form on ultra dense compact matter may be the dynamo in forming the stable jets that reform galaxies such as the "cartwheel" and dual and quad jets that we can observe. These stable jets are responsible for the evolution and form of not only their galaxy but distant galaxies.

This paper is quite interesting.

http://arxiv.org/abs/0906.1095
A Reconnecting Flux Rope Dynamo

Authors: Andrew W. Baggaley, Carlo F. Barenghi, Anvar Shukurov, Kandaswamy Subramanian
(Submitted on 5 Jun 2009)
Abstract: We develop a new model of the fluctuation dynamo in which the magnetic field is confined in thin flux ropes advected by a multi-scale flow modeling turbulence. Magnetic dissipation occurs only via reconnection of the flux ropes. We investigate the kinetic energy release into heat, mediated by the dynamo action, both in our model and by solving the induction equation with the same flow. We find that a flux rope dynamo is an order of magnitude more efficient at converting mechanical energy into heat. The probability density of the magnetic energy release in reconnections has a power-law form with the slope -3, consistent with the Solar corona heating by nanoflares.
and
http://arxiv.org/abs/0906.1210
Evidence of Magnetic Helicity in Emerging Flux and Associated Flare

Authors: R. Chandra, B. Schmieder, G. Aulanier, J.M. Malherbe
(Submitted on 6 Jun 2009)
Abstract: The aim of this paper is to look at the magnetic helicity structure of an emerging active region and show that both emergence and flaring signatures are consistent with a same sign for magnetic helicity. We present a multi-wavelength analysis of an M1.6 flare occurring in the active region NOAA 10365 on 27 May, 2003, in which a large new bipole emerges in a decaying active region. The diverging flow pattern and the "tongue" shape of the magnetic field in the photosphere with elongated polarities are highly suggestive of the emergence of a twisted flux tube. The orientation of these tongues indicates the emergence of a flux tube with a right hand twist, i.e. positive magnetic helicity. The flare signatures in the chromosphere are ribbons observed in H-alpha by the MSDP spectrograph in the Meudon solar tower and in 1600 A by TRACE. These ribbons have a `J' shape and are shifted along the inversion line. The pattern of these ribbons suggests that the flare was triggered by magnetic reconnection at coronal heights below a twisted flux tube of positive helicity, corresponding to that of the observed emergence. It is the first time that such a consistency between the signatures of the emerging flux through the photosphere and flare ribbons is clearly identified in observations. Another type of ribbons observed during the flare at the periphery of the active region by the MSDP and SOHO/EIT are related to the existence of a null point, which is found high in the corona in a potential field extrapolation. We discuss the interpretation of these secondary brightenings in terms of the "breakout" model and in terms of plasma compression/heating within large-scale separatrices.

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Re: Electricity, Magnetism and Monopoles... Oh My!

Post by mharratsc » Wed Aug 05, 2009 10:38 am

"The pattern of these ribbons suggests that the flare was triggered by magnetic reconnection at coronal heights below a twisted flux tube of positive helicity, corresponding to that of the observed emergence."
Translation: The pattern of these ribbons suggests that the flare was triggered by the explosion of a DL at coronal heights below a Birkland current, corresponding to that of the observed emergence."

Gotta love that fancy astronomer jargon, tho! ;)

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Re: Electricity, Magnetism and Monopoles... Oh My!

Post by StefanR » Fri Sep 04, 2009 8:04 am

Magnetic monopoles detected in a real magnet for the first time
In this work the researchers, for the first time, attest that monopoles exist as emergent states of matter, i.e. they emerge from special arrangements of dipoles and are completely different from the constituents of the material. However, alongside this fundamental knowledge, Jonathan Morris explains the further meaning of the results: „We are writing about new, fundamental properties of matter. These properties are generally valid for materials with the same topology, that is for magnetic moments on the pyrochlore lattice. For the development of new technologies this can have big implications. Above all it signifies the first time fractionalisation in three dimensions is observed."
http://www.physorg.com/news171209923.html

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Re: Electricity, Magnetism and Monopoles... Oh My!

Post by bdw000 » Sat Sep 05, 2009 6:58 am

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 163725.htm

I'm assuming the above link is the same story as the physorg link above.

Anyway, I'd love to hear what any of the experts here think of the "evidence" for magnetic monopoles. Just how far removed from reality is their evidence? Or, do they have good, simple "evidence" for their claim for magnetic monopoles?

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Re: Electricity, Magnetism and Monopoles... Oh My!

Post by Rockstander » Wed Sep 16, 2009 5:02 am

The thread traveled rapidly to the Monopole side before I was able to read the discussion so I hope I am not too late with my comment.

The various schematic representations of wires and currents all leave out the fact that Electric currents "flow" in circuits.
Current does not "flow" in real life from one end of a wire to some ethereal point in space.

Also from an engineering point of view the reason to connect a Voltage source to a load is to transfer Energy from the Source to the Load.

With complications the State of the Universe with Transmission lines made of Plasma should be described by the same Mathematics.

None of which tells us what the various fields are.

With that said may I suggest a look at this Link:

http://amasci.com/elect/poynt/poynt.html

Many years ago, about 1955, the Director of Engineering at Electrodata Corp., Fred Kalbach,may he rest in peace, told me in conversation about Transmission lines that the Energy was transmitted by the Magnetic Field alone. It took a long time for me to understand.

The above Link explains quite well how it is actually understood with an explanation of the Classic Physics simplification.

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Re: Electricity, Magnetism and Monopoles... Oh My!

Post by Corpuscles » Wed Sep 16, 2009 6:39 pm

Rockstander

Excellent post. Whilst W Beatty's site is magnificent!... please could you expand on the explaination given to you!?

(Some conventional EE's would disagree with his portrayal of the Electric field)

This is a great topic and I enjoyed the banter between M McMerkin and Rangerover777 and as usual ....the intutive genius of Junglelord coming in with Faradays paradox!

I think Rangerover777 is showing something most profound ( i even love his "hand done"drawings :D )

The Fleming right hand rule rarely ever in physics textbooks, refers to the ORIENTATION of poles in the circular magnetic "tube" around a "current" carrying conductor.

This is of supreme significance when experimentally observed!

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Re: Electricity, Magnetism and Monopoles... Oh My!

Post by Rockstander » Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:31 pm

Corpuscles,

As I mentioned, Fred Kalbach was the director of Engineering and I was a Junior EE. Fred's management style was to always challenge those under him as a continual performance review.

He gave no explanation for his, to me, cryptic remark. As I recall he just said that: "The Energy is transmitted in the space between the wires of the Transmission line". I probably failed his test.

At the time I was struggling to remember all of the mysteries of Transmission Lines I had been exposed to in my one course in the subject that did not as I recall now cover the Poynting Vector.

My projects through the years seemed to always involve Magnetics in one form or another. Either as Test Equipment for Components or design of Transformers and Inductors for new Power Conversion equipment.
There have been a few Transmission Line problems concerned with Delay Lines, Pulse Inversion and Impedance matching but the Poynting Vector was never a factor.

Fred's cryptic statement bothered me sporadically over the years until I had the leisure to investigate.

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Re: Electricity, Magnetism and Monopoles... Oh My!

Post by Corpuscles » Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:53 am

Rockstander

May I refer you to this most magnificent thread on this site ( I did not contribute)

http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpB ... ?f=8&t=205

I hope you read it in your "leisure" and pick up and enjoy it as i did.There are astounding (relevent parts to your post) that the maestro ...TESLA discovered and explained in detail. It is far more profound comment than anything I could offer.

My comment re the magnetic fields is simply that there appears via experiment to be the two counter helix flows of magnetism in (actually AROUND) current carrying wire. Also as W Beatty describes beautifully (on his site you quoted) .....how does the comprehension of a "flow of electrons" account for AC? (Two steps forward two steps back)

We are so hung up on the transverse EM wave.... side effect.

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Re: Electricity, Magnetism and Monopoles... Oh My!

Post by Rockstander » Thu Sep 17, 2009 4:48 am

Corpuscles,

Thank you for the link. I will have to print some of it out and wade through the Math.

However I do have a mental block on analyses that start with the assumption that Time is a dimension.

If I could see an analysis whose derivation produced the result that Time had to be a Dimension that would get my attention.

I realize that Time as a dimension is a foundation for Einstein's work but that and other manipulations lead to the difficulties modern Cosmology is having.

Just some random thoughts from a quick perusal of the Link.

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Re: Electricity, Magnetism and Monopoles... Oh My!

Post by Corpuscles » Fri Sep 18, 2009 1:54 pm

Rockstander

Yeah me too! 100% with you there.

I might get brave and ask Junglelord to explain Dave Thomsons APM theory re "forward" and "reverse" time regarding aether spin one day , as I really am struggling to understand but I think they mean a different concept than relativity and time travel "hocus pocus" etc

Eg More of a directional spin vector?.If you are in US and I am in OZ and we set off to meet maybe that is mathematically represented in theory as if one of us goes "forward time" clockwize and the other "reverse time" anti clockwise????? :oops:

It was mainly the slabs of interesting QUOTES from Tesla himself re Longitudinal electricity (alsoI think someone quotes Boscovic as well) also someof Faradays original concepts.....that I was refering you too.

Magnetism is amazing! Permanent magnets do not have the power inside... they get it by being tuned to the aether!?

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Re: Electricity, Magnetism and Monopoles... Oh My!

Post by GaryN » Fri Sep 18, 2009 9:18 pm

Corpuscles posted:
Permanent magnets do not have the power inside... they get it by being tuned to the aether!?
That's my impression. Iron atoms resonant to some all-pervading EM waves, in the EHz range? The EM energies are an 'effect', and effects require no medium; the billions of waves at frequencies we can not even detect, are the aether!
In order to change an existing paradigm you do not struggle to try and change the problematic model. You create a new model and make the old one obsolete. -Buckminster Fuller

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Re: Electricity, Magnetism and Monopoles... Oh My!

Post by Rockstander » Sat Sep 19, 2009 3:20 am

Corpuscles,

I have a skimpy half thought out theory that Time is a subjective mechanism of the human brain and possibly other living things with brains, that notes and remembers instances of Kinetic Energy expenditure. This is part of the learning process and essential for survival. Hitting a moving target requires practice and remembrance of past failures. Which means noting the time of flight of the projectile in relation to the target. All are instances of energy be expended.

In the far distant past when the Sun was the only major light out side of camp fires at the cave entrance, the sun set the agenda for activity. Uggha would leave a message on the message stump that he would meet the beauteous Yarga when the Sun was high overhead etc. :D

Men quickly made mechanical contrivances to standardize Time intervals so that more complicated agendas could be accomodated. And then came the science revolution and mathematics and then Einstien and nothing has been simple since.

Reading a textbook on Dimensional Analysis and noting where Time is positioned in all of the Equations relating to Physical Processes in instructive.

It seems to me that Energy and its Storage and Expenditure is what this Universe is all about.

The Energy in Electronic Systems seems to be easily accounted for but what of the Energy stored in a speeding vehicle.

The problem is:"What is Energy"? Does it have an existance apart from the physical objects that on occassion display it? Does it have a unique essence that manifests in specific ways? Is there a reservoir of Energy some where that is ready to be stored in a speeding car or Charged Capacitor. Or to be provided when a fire breaks out.

Perhaps some one can tell me as I have no clue.



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Re: Electricity, Magnetism and Monopoles... Oh My!

Post by scotty » Sat Sep 19, 2009 6:35 am

Ed Leedskalnin can tell you...or rather, he already did. :lol:

Now about the sphere magnet. if you have a strong magnet you can change the poles in the
sphere in any side you want or take the poles out so the sphere will not be a magnet any more.
From this you can see that the magnet can be shifted and concentrated and also you can see
that the metal is not the real magnet. The real magnet is the substance that is circulating in
the metal. Each particle in the substance is an individual magnet by itself, and both North and
South Pole individual magnets.

They are so small that they can pass through anything.. In fact they can pass through metal
easier than through the air. They are in constant motion, they are running one kind of magnets
against the other kind, and if guided in the right channels they possess perpetual power.

The North and South Pole magnets they are cosmic force, they hold together this earth and
everything on it. Each North and South Pole magnet is equal in strength, but the strength of
each individual magnet doesn't amount to anything. To be of practical use they will have to
be in great numbers. In permanent magnets they are circulating in the metal in great numbers,
and they circulate in the following way: Each kind of the magnets are coming out of their own
end of the pole and are running around, and are running in the other end of the pole and back
to its own end, and then over and over again. All the individual magnets do not run around.
Some run away and never come back, but new ones take their place.


This magnet-making with a single wire, it illustrates how all magnets are made. In a car battery the
North Pole magnets run out of positive terminal and South Pole magnets run out of negative terminal.
Both kinds of magnets are running, one kind of magnets against the other kind, and are running in
the same right- hand screw fashion.

By using the same whirling motion and running one kind of magnets against the other kind, they
throw their own magnets from the wire in opposite directions. That is why if you put a magnet
metal across the copper wire the one end is North Pole and the other end South Pole.

Put a paper box with plenty of Iron filings in it on the horizontally spinning Alnico magnet, then you
will see how the spinning magnet builds up ridges and ditches. Now put the magnet so that it can be
turned vertically. Spin the magnet, then you will see the filings running against the motion and building
up ridges and ditches. Put on finer filings, then there will be finer ridges and ditches. Spin one way and
then the other way, then you will have some rough idea how magnets build up the matter.

You have been wondering why
alternating currents can run so far away from their generators. One reason is between every
time the currents start and stop there is no pressure in the wire so the magnets from the air
run in the wire and when the run starts there already are magnets in the wire which do not have
to come from the generator, so the power line itself is a small generator which assists the big
generator to furnish the magnets for the currents to run with.
Ed Leedskalnin.
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Scotty.

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