Space is not a thing

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Space is not a thing

Unread postby Bin-Ra » Sun Jul 21, 2019 2:25 am

While this post may be considered word play - consider also the part that words play as the interpreted and derivative meanings or associations of our experience of interpretation and response.

The TPOD read at first as a refutation of the idea that 'space is a thing', and yet also reads as that which is NOT a thing and is therefore the background to the selected foreground focus of 'thing' and as the necessary 'no thing' for the differentiations of 'things'.

Thing-in-itself is the root idea of a closed system and as I see it, the reflected nature of a closed or private and self-differentiated mind. Self-in-itself being the idea that we are our own separate existence in a world of 'things' separated by nothingness as an OBJECT persistence through a process of change we experience as time.

Face recognition and orderly or predictable object persistence is the idea of a World - in which and through which to develop and experience the focus in a broad spectrum of relational and archetypal polarities in personae - that is in the projection and association of qualities of self-experience to 'Other-self' and World.

The idea that anything can come out of 'nothing' is then at some level the primary division of a selected focus from its true and whole relational context - or judgement. To select is to select FROM, and thus to reject or deny an otherwise unnamed and always wholeness or oneness that will SEEM to be nothinged or to not exist - relative to a self-differentiation set over and against it. In this sense, to assert a personal existence sets the condition of a denial and usurpation of for-getting that then sets its own development in the intent and attempt of re-membering a 'lost' or occluded wholeness.

This is the idea that the mind (or frameworks and tools) we are looking with, are effecting the very 'separation' that we are believing or presenting as a search to resolve. BECAUSE we set out from false premise on the trail of a false promise - which can be seen as the idea of grasping wholeness of love, truth or power, in a THING or conditional set of things. Symbols of Life may have all the life we give them, but have none in and of themselves.

Regardless of underlying qualities that embody - or are quantised - in image and form made tangible to physical sense the nature of the experience is a psychic-emotional consciousness of charge-relation within a 'space' of an always or already Awareness - prior to and yet coincident or synchronous to all and any 'object of affection'.

A subjective or framing of awareness rises from 'objecting' (or thinking/thinging), as a separated sense of self from an object of possession by which it is dispossessed of a 'no-thing' or non physical Infinity or measurelessness of being.

What is the point that is everything everywhere but Always - and therefore beneath and beyond any temporal extension of that point in lines of exploration as experience. Lines are of the mind of expression and a line of thought will attract and align its own self-reinforcement while it holds the heart's allegiance.

Significance is signature and sign of resonant meaning. But mind made-meanings serve logical self-reinforcement of the original premise to which it responds as the idea of control set over a chaos of 'betrayal' and 'abandonment' that the heart then compromises and sacrifices in allegiance of support.

The reversal of heart and mind is the characteristic signature of a mind and world in which effects are flagged or assigned as causes that divert and displace or dissociate a truly causal recognition and appreciation, for a substitution of structure for meaning as a model of reality given sacrificial allegiance under the aegis of 'Too Big To Fail!".

True with-ness equally undoes all and any illusory substitution for relational being - but our willingness to release personally invested illusion may be subverted by the attempt to protect it against unrecognised truth, as the survival reflex of a captive identity.

Space is open as a fluidity of movement of self-organising or spontaneous expression of relational effulgence.
The idea of movement in time is the idea of time itself - but the movement within wholeness is without measure.
"Music of Life, unheard, yet we dance".

Moving in resonance to an integrative 'mo'ment' is willing release of a dissonant 'correction or adjustment' of 'possession and control' - as a coming back into the point or true significance as a line that has looped to its starting place to know it for the first time.

We shall not cease from exploration
And the end of all our exploring
Will be to arrive where we started
And know the place for the first time.

Through the unknown, remembered gate
When the last of earth left to discover
Is that which was the beginning;
At the source of the longest river
The voice of the hidden waterfall
And the children in the apple-tree

Not known, because not looked for
But heard, half heard, in the stillness
Between the two waves of the sea.
Quick now, here, now, always--
A condition of complete simplicity
(Costing not less than everything)

And all shall be well and
All manner of things shall be well
When the tongues of flame are in-folded
Into the crowned knot of fire
And the fire and the rose are one.

Little Gidding V,
- T.S. Eliot (1943)
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Re: Space is not a thing

Unread postby nick c » Sun Jul 21, 2019 9:22 am

Here is the link to the TPOD "Space Is Not a Thing" ... t-a-thing/
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Re: Space is not a thing

Unread postby crawler » Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:43 pm

nick c wrote:Here is the link to the TPOD "Space Is Not a Thing" ... t-a-thing/
That article says..........
Consensus redshift theory results in a Universe that is expanding. Since light is conventionally thought to shift toward the red when galaxies are receding, those galaxies are thought to be far away. The farther away they are the faster they appear to move, imparting greater redshifts. The only explanation from the mainstream is that the Universe is expanding.

According to a recent press release, “Astronomers have made a new measurement of how fast the universe is expanding, using an entirely different kind of star than previous endeavors.”

Relying on the misshapen theory of dark energy, astrophysicists believe that space, itself, is “stretching”. Although they point out that “…this new evidence suggests… that there is something fundamentally flawed in our current model of the universe.”

Indeed, to reify “space” into a physical form that can be modified—stretched, warped, or twisted—implies a serious misunderstanding. Space is not physical. Space is where physical objects exist. Space is defined as: “The unlimited or incalculably great three-dimensional realm or expanse in which all material objects are located and all events occur”. Space is a domain, not substance, since it is where substance exists. Therefore it has no existence, except as a method for defining the existence and position of things. To infer that space (and time) are a “fabric” is ludicrous.

I believe that there is no such thing as empty space. Space is full of praether, the fundamental sub-quantum essence. And sub-quantum aether is an excitation of praether. And photons (the elementary quantum particles) & photaenos (quantum em radiation) are an excitation of aether. All quantum things are processes. And sub-quantum aether is a process.

Spacetime of course duznt exist. But space is indeed a fabric, a praether fabric (& at the same time is an aether fabric).

Space is full of praether, & space might allso be full of aether (but not necessarily)(there might be locations with zero aether)( but i dont think so).

I think that praether-space can be modified & stretched & warped & twisted. But praether is non-compressible.
I think that aether-space can also be mswt, & is non-compressible (but praps it can be compressed).
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