Transistors - EU and QM

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Transistors - EU and QM

Unread post by ttsoares » Fri Feb 22, 2019 12:06 pm

Greetings.

Recently i learned that one need Quantum Mechanics to explain the behaviour of transistors... So all our tech world depends of QM !!

Thornhill says about QM: "It is a recipe that works but do not explain anything...".

Could someone point where to find the EU model explanation for transistors ?

Thanks.

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Unread post by Zyxzevn » Sat Mar 02, 2019 8:28 am

I don't see why QM would conflict with EU.
The QM in transistors describe the way electron-layers work in semi-conductors.
In plasma we this is a bit similar.
The conduction bands can be calculated by adding the electron-bands of all atoms together
using the Schrodinger formula. Have done this a few times at university.
By adding them together, the bands become wider until we have the electron layers that
we see in semi-conductors.

A transistor works by adding electrons or energy to the electron-layers, and this
causes the layers to become conductive. This means that the electrons become free from
the atoms.

Many in the EU do not like the weird interpretations (like multi-world).
So it is more an interpretation thing.
Sadly this also causes some to deny certain experimental results.
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Unread post by ttsoares » Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:34 am

By listening Thornhill lectures at Youtube one gain an understanding that we need to replace QM using EU model.

But i am only an engineer... what do i know ?

Anyhow, is there an Statistical EU substrate that can be used to explain all QM BS ?

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Re: Transistors - EU and QM

Unread post by hlg » Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:34 am

good question, this one about transistors.

i am elecrical engineer too, but a bit more outdated perhaps. i had that radios and tv sets with lots of evacuated tubes in it, that inspired me before i went to highscool.

perhaps we can get the turn without a lot of quantum mechanics if we concentrate on evacuated tubes first, which served the same purposes as transistors do now.

i never really grasped how the vacuum in the tubes was crossed by the electrons and modulated by the gates...

in TV sets even focussed on an inline screen more than about two feet away by precision magnetic fields...

its true that the photons emitted by the luminescent screen followed quantum mechanic-rules if i got that right.

we heard about socalled frozen electric fields in some MOSFET-semiconductors, which had to be overcome by the tension on the gate to start or stop the elecrtron flow, if i remember that right.

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Re: Transistors - EU and QM

Unread post by ttsoares » Tue Mar 05, 2019 3:07 pm

Synchronicity !!

I was just listening about evacuated tubes right now :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD6pSP-E6pc

Problem is that the lesson is almost impenetrable to me...

Maybe someone here could help discern if he is in the right track or it is only BS.

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Unread post by hlg » Fri Mar 08, 2019 7:35 am

to me he is on the right track...

of course there is the right hand rule saying that electronmovement that crosses an magnetic field is steered...

perhaps it is called the hall effect i think: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hall_effect

of course it is a very interesting experiment, that is shown in the video.

sort of explainig auroras and behavior of the "plasma wind" deviated by eorths mgnetic field. quite impressing...

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Unread post by Zyxzevn » Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:50 am

ttsoares wrote:Synchronicity !!

I was just listening about evacuated tubes right now :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD6pSP-E6pc

Problem is that the lesson is almost impenetrable to me...

Maybe someone here could help discern if he is in the right track or it is only BS.
BS

He talks about dielectric and uses a magnet.

Dielectric can be demonstrated with static electrical fields.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAtAG938AQc

If you place a plate between two electric-charged plates, you can see
a change in the voltage. This is caused by the dielectric properties of the
inbetween plate.
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Unread post by seasmith » Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:38 pm

BS

He talks about dielectric and uses a magnet.
The common term in modern electronics is magnetoelectric effect.
Exact same volume, but possessing orthogonal field alignments and force vectors.

Any dielectricy is from the phosphor screen particles.

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Re: Transistors - EU and QM

Unread post by ttsoares » Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:21 pm

Sorry if i am digressing in the thread i create myself... But there is an EU model for the existence of magnets ?

The current one says that the last unpaired electrons form an electric current and from this magnetism emerges. Right ?

But from where comes the energy that keep the electrons "movement" ?

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Re: Transistors - EU and QM

Unread post by D_Archer » Wed Mar 20, 2019 6:25 am

ttsoares wrote:Sorry if i am digressing in the thread i create myself... But there is an EU model for the existence of magnets ?

The current one says that the last unpaired electrons form an electric current and from this magnetism emerges. Right ?

But from where comes the energy that keep the electrons "movement" ?
EU does not really have models, only Donald Scott has a birkeland current model.

The real mechanical cause of magnetism is the charge field (ie photons that are everywhere around us and there is a photon field streaming up straight from the surface of the Earth all the time). Why is a permanent magnet magnetic? Because its atomic structure recycles the charge field in 2 directions mostly*, in and out at the poles of the atoms/molecules (ie the atomic/molecular poles are aligned in a magnet).

Magnet paper by Miles > http://milesmathis.com/magnet.html
Second magnet paper by Miles, full diagrams and explanations> http://milesmathis.com/per4.pdf

This is the only correct mechanical (ie real physical) explanation i have ever come across.

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*photons go in the south pole, anti-photons in the north pole, anti-photons are the same particles as photons, just upside down with respect to photons. Photons have spin, so anti-photons spin in the opposite directoin as photons, with regards to the field mechanics. In our solar system there are more photons than anti-photons(around 2/3, 1/3 resp.)
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Unread post by ttsoares » Wed Mar 20, 2019 1:36 pm

Thank you D_Archer !
But if, as you say:
...its atomic structure recycles the charge field in 2 directions mostly*, in and out at the poles of the atoms/molecules (ie the atomic/molecular poles are aligned in a magnet).
so, far away of any planet or galaxy a permanent magnet is impossible ?

Also, is this "sea of phonos" the Zero Point Field AKA Ether ?

Thank you.

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Re: Transistors - EU and QM

Unread post by D_Archer » Wed Mar 20, 2019 1:54 pm

ttsoares wrote:so, far away of any planet or galaxy a permanent magnet is impossible ?

Also, is this "sea of phonos" the Zero Point Field AKA Ether ?

Thank you.
No, photons are everywhere, but depending on the density of the field the strength of a magnet can vary.

Yes and no, you can say it is the ether, but ether is too ethereal, photons are physical and have properties and we can say a lot about them and use them to explain physics mechanically.

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Re: Transistors - EU and QM

Unread post by Zyxzevn » Wed Mar 20, 2019 5:43 pm

Electric Fields and Magnetic fields are caused by...
FIELDS.
There are no particles anywhere, because they are continuous fields.

Magnetism is caused by the movement of charges, like electrons.
This movement causes a change in the electrical field, but it has some delay.
And this delay in the field is exactly the magnetic field.
The direction of the field is maintained, to conserve momentum.
That is how simple it is.

Semiconductors work just like plasma. More electrons mean more conductivity.
In semiconductors we can calculate the electron density with the wave equations
of quantum mechanics.
They do not conflict in any way.

And Mathis is always wrong.
Usually every sentence is wrong.
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Re: Transistors - EU and QM

Unread post by D_Archer » Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:31 am

Zyxzevn wrote:Electric Fields and Magnetic fields are caused by...
FIELDS....
In physics field are made up of something, it is not physics to say fields cause something, they are an abstraction not a reality.

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Re: Transistors - EU and QM

Unread post by ttsoares » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:46 pm

D_Archer:

When you talk "photons" is it like this ?

http://www.cellularuniverse.org/G6Gravi ... Ranzan.pdf

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