Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

[seasmith]

Good morning star,

Ommmmm... Was that a yes or a no to the question ??

~s~

[starbiter]

Sorry for any confusion Seasmith.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UT ... 4&t=p&z=11

These formations look very duney to me. I haven't been to Haiti, but i'm pretty confident on this. I had an assignment to photograph a couple of Windjammer cruises a few years ago in the Caribbean. The mountains seem consistent with duning. There are volcanoes of course, but they would be the result of the electrical activity and internal pressure during the events described in WiC.

Most volcanoes on Earth probably were created during the events under discussion. The volcanic dust would be a component of the dune/mountains in the scenario proposed.

Please don't ask me to explain the volcanic islands that pop up around Iceland or the South Pacific. I know nothing to Quote Sgt. Schultz.

When our ancestors refer to flying mountains it might be a description of flying sand that became a mountain. That would literally be a flying mountain in very small pieces.

michael

[seasmith]

by seasmith » Tue Jan 19, 2010 12:03 am

reply to starbiter:

starbiter
We're talking catastrophe here.

You're saying the mountains on Haiti were made within the past 10-12000 years, as per the chronicles of Dr V and the OT ??

Is that what you are saying ?

btw, i have read All the posts on this thread, more than once, as well as all of Dr V's books and a number of papers, interviews, etc.
Also, there have been a couple of lengthy Velikovski threads here on the forum, pre-crashes.

s

[starbiter]

Hello Seasmith: Yes, i think most of the mountains of Haiti are the result of duning.

I'm glad you've read WiC. I had already read it quite a few times when i started to think of dunes/mountains. I asked a few friends if there was sand and wind, i had a memory of this. I was too lazy and Slug like to read it again. When i did re-read Worlds, the descriptions matched my observations from the field to a T.

I asked if you had been reading everything because i had mentioned that being next to open water [an island] would make an area more prone to duning. Any wind over 3 meters per second causes the sand to stop reaching the ground. It becomes suspended. If someone could convert that speed to MPH i'd appreciate it. It's well below hurricane speed i believe.

Are you comfortable with the world wide description of a period of blowing sand and gravel during the Venus period in WiC? I think the dates and agent are contentious, but not the events. If the descriptions are accurate, how could what i propose not transpire?

Thanks for keeping up with my pontifications, michael

[Grey Cloud]

Hi Starbiter,
I'm assuming the flying mountains are from Velikovsky. Could you give his source(s) for this please? My curiosity is pricked. So is my skepticism but I'll leave that till I've read the source. Thanks.

[seasmith]

...i had mentioned that being next to open water [an island] would make an area more prone to duning ...
starbiter

I live on a coast that consists of 'dunes formations' for several miles inland. I see them as a result of Massive water wave action, as there is an unlimited supply of sedimentary material offshore to be transported.
For the wind to make dunes, as i've been lead to understand, one needs a primary obstruction [an island prominence would probably do] and then the wind builds successive dunes behind it.
With deep trenches on both sides of Haiti, i'm missing either mechanism.

Grey Cloud,

Did you check the Google links for the Caribbean, above?
How about that deep sea cleft going straight up the yawning jaws of the Mayan empire [Yucatan and Guatamalan peninsulas] ?
http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=16.999609

What happened there ?!

s

[Grey Cloud]

Hi Seasmith,
Google Earth isn't really my thing but I had a look using both the terrain and satellite views. Lost my bearings in both views but the terrain view looks like maybe the result of tsunamis in that the low lands are deposited silt (hard to tell but they look pretty flat-bottomed). The satellite view seems to be from when there were fires in the region, hence the grey areas.
I did find this map which could do with showing a bit further West.
http://www.mysteriousworld.com/Content/ ... n_full.jpg
Looks as if S. America has rear-ended Central America or sea-level rises haveve flooded the area between Cuba and the isthmus of Panama.
The Florida panhandle was a substantial piece of real estate before those rises. The entire Gulf-Caribbean area brings to mind the trek the Mayas undertook in the Popol Vuh.

[seasmith]

brings to mind the trek the Mayas undertook in the Popol Vuh.

GC,


No, i mean what was where that god-awful sub-sea gash is.

s

[webolife]

Starbiter,
I'm still trying to get what you're seeing as "duning"?
Are you referring generally to the sedimentation process that results in any particular type of sedimentary rock?
I certainly see "duning" as one of the many sub-processes involved but not as a general description. And how can interbedded basalt and sedimentary strata be "duned"? As I'm seeing it, "duning" just spreads around bits of weathered rock as a superficial feature, which later may be lithified, but still appears largely as a superficial stratum. You see this stuff where canyons have been cut eg. from a plateau, so the walls of the canyon may appear as "mountains" to you?

[Grey Cloud]

Zeeschmidt,
Had another go with GE. Looks like the sea floor has collapsed. I'm sure the EU-ers will see EDM but the southern side of the gash looks to be sloping even though the Northen is pretty sheer. If South America has shunted into Central America then some parts will have buckled upwards and some downwards? The gash looks to be about 50 miles wide but can we tell how deep it is?

[As an aside - do any of you guys know where I can find maps of the globe without the sea on them? That is, where one can see the topography of the Earth's surface]

[starbiter]

Hello Grey Cloud: I've been reading/skimming WiC furiously since your message. I've found mountains melting like wax, appearing from nowhere, but not actually flying. On the other hand there is "blown to powder in the sky and annihilated",
and "and the wind throws up also into the sky the mountains which encircle the earth.... they are ground to powder and destroyed. [Sort of flying, but not matching]
The cosmic wind blows and destroys "a hundred thousand times ten million worlds". [i think that's a lot]
I'll keep looking for more.


This is from chapter three of WiC. the last graph of heading hurricane.


Hello Seasmith: I guess i'm just not making myself clear. The sand is extraterritorial for the most part, i think. It's not coming from the beach.It has the ability to fly above the water if the wind is strong enough. It becomes suspended.
Suspended Def. To support or keep from falling without apparent attachment, as by buoyancy.
Some of the sand would fall in the water, but the faster the wind, the less sand is submerged. With hurricane winds and up to 8000 miles to super accumulate the Pacific Ocean would build up to super saturated conditions by the time the sand reached the Americas. You would have sand descending across the whole ocean and traveling East on the West wind., but not landing until it encounters a slip face. In this case the Sierra.

In the case of Haiti, the winds were probably from different directions, making it harder to read the pattern.

unable to explain himself, michael

[starbiter]

Hello Webo: The top of the dune would be converted to basalt electrically. Then more dune and Zap. Or Zapus Maximus. The basalt is converted dune.
My guy in CO can make basalt. He's concentrating on granite because it's harder to do, and would be a big deal. Time will tell.

I feel a little like Dr.V claiming high temps for Venus. I predict person made granite.

Can anyone else understand?, michael

[starbiter]

Just noticed your color map Grey Cloud. It seems to show a mountain/dune running south from the Dominican Republic, that's now underwater.
The water levels have changed a lot in the last few thousand years. From 0 ice cap, to max ice cap [Two miles thick over Canada] and maybe losing some along the way, or gaining. Then there is the water deep inside the Earth. Nice map.

michael

[allynh]

[As an aside - do any of you guys know where I can find maps of the globe without the sea on them? That is, where one can see the topography of the Earth's surface]

There is the USGS.gov site for topography maps, but Google has taken those maps and assembled them in Google maps.

http://maps.google.com/maps

This is the Yellowstone supervolcano seen in Terrain view.

We are too high to have the topographic elevations display.

Zoom in until the elevations start to resolve.

At work we have the complete set of topo maps for New Mexico. It is dozens of disks, and is very expensive. Google is free.

U.S. Geological Survey
http://www.usgs.gov/

USGS Global Visualization Viewer
http://glovis.usgs.gov/

Earth Explorer
http://edcsns17.cr.usgs.gov/EarthExplorer/

You can see that it is Google Maps.

Then there is NOAA
http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov

ETOPO2v2 Global Gridded 2-minute Database
http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/mgg/global/etopo2.html

Is that what you were looking for?

[Grey Cloud]

Hi Allynh,
Thanks but no it isn't. I meant the topography of the areas under the seas.