Electric Currents Critical to Star Formation?

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Re: Electric Currents Critical to Star Formation?

Post by StefanR » Mon Sep 01, 2008 3:26 am

If I may introduce:

The brightest region of the Orion nebula M42 around the Trapezium cluster of young, recently formed stars
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http://seds.lpl.arizona.edu/messier/more/m042_more.html

Orion Nebula (M42)
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Image courtesy of NRAO/AUI

Unlike optical and ultraviolet images in which extinction by dust affect interpretation of optical images and in which a considerable fraction of the continuum emission is due to dust-scattered light, this image shows a true distribution of ionized gas. This picture shows the Trapezium region in red and its immediate surroundings such as the ionized "bar". http://www.nrao.edu/imagegallery/php/level3.php?id=6

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Image courtesy of NRAO/AUI

This image was produced by filtering out the large scale structure in the above image of the Orion Nebula, M42. Note a web of string-like features with typical widths of a few arcseconds (~1016 cm), which are concentrated throughout the Trapezium region.
http://www.nrao.edu/imagegallery/php/level3.php?id=402
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Re: Electric Currents Critical to Star Formation?

Post by substance » Mon Sep 01, 2008 11:48 am

Wow, the x-ray image is incredible! No dense galaxy cluster core which attracts the surrounding matter. How do mainstream astronomers explain this?
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Re: Electric Currents Critical to Star Formation?

Post by StefanR » Mon Sep 01, 2008 3:14 pm

If you mean the last image, I believe it is a radio-image (but I can be wrong):

This was on the NRAO-site:
Stars form within dense clouds of cold gas and dust. As the gas collapses under its own gravitational attraction, the core heats up until nuclear fusion begins - a star is born. All this occurs deep within clouds so dense that visible light cannot escape. But, radio waves can escape and we can use those radio waves to figure out what happens when a star is born. Once a star or a cluster of stars "turns on", the heat from the star can ionize parts of the cloud around it producing regions of ionized gas (HII regions) which emit radio waves. The new star(s) also heat dust in the cloud which then emits radio waves which we can detect. This "warm" dust (at a temperature of only 10 to 100 degrees above absolute zero) may be located in a circumstellar disk around the new star - a disk that astronomers believe may be the birth place of planets like our own solar system.
http://www.nrao.edu/imagegallery/php/le ... %20Regions

There are some wonderful images at that location.

As an extra on M42:

http://seds.org/messier//m/m042.html
This link gives some extra information and lots of links.

And if you have a good visual imagination, picture the M42 image above with the string-like features and then go here:

http://vis.sdsc.edu/research/orion.html

and have a happy flight ;) 8-)

Please also note the "Proplyds". Not only as they appear in the movie, but also depicted below. And keep that image of the stringy-features in your minds eye.

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http://seds.org/messier//more/m042_h6.html
Planet formation is a hazardous process. These four snapshots, taken by NASA's Hubble Space Telescope, show dust disks around embryonic stars in the Orion Nebula being "blowtorched" by a blistering flood of ultraviolet radiation from the region's brightest star. Within these disks are the seeds of planets. The doomed systems look like hapless comets, with wayward tails of gas boiling off the withering, pancake-shaped disks.

The Frisbee-shaped disks, called protoplanetary disks (Proplyds), are wider than our solar system and reside in the centers of the cocoons of gas. These cocoons were formed from material evaporating off the surface of the disks. Evidence from Hubble's Wide Field and Planetary Camera 2 suggests that dust grains in the disk are already forming larger particles, which range in size from snowflakes to gravel. But these particles may not have time to grow into full-fledged planets because of the relentless "hurricane" of radiation from the nebula's hottest star, called Theta 1 Orionis C.

In the picture at top left, the disk is the green-colored oval near the center. Radiation from the hot star is heating up the disk, causing matter to dissipate, like steam evaporating from the surface of boiling water. A strong "stellar wind," a stream of particles moving at 4,500 to 8,900 miles per hour (7,200 to 14,400 kilometers per hour), is propelling the material away from the disk. The material is glowing because it is being energized by radiation from the hot star.
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Re: Electric Currents Critical to Star Formation?

Post by MGmirkin » Mon Sep 01, 2008 4:18 pm

StefanR wrote:Yes indeed Solar. I found the most ominous sentence in the whole article :
The detection of X-rays this early indicates that gravity alone is not the only force shaping young stars."
Now the question for the mainstreamers might be : how will dark matter produce x-rays? :o
What they really need to do is give a gander to Don Scott's Electric Cosmos page...

(Stellar "Evolution" in the Electric Universe)
http://www.electric-cosmos.org/hrdiagr.htm
The orbiting X-ray telescope, Chandra, recently discovered an X-ray flare being emitted by a brown dwarf (spectral class M9). This poses an additional problem for the advocates of the stellar fusion model. A star this cool should not be capable of X-ray flare production.

However, in the ES model, there are no minimum temperature or mass requirements because the star is inherently electrical to start with. In the ES model (if a brown/red dwarf is operating near the upper boundary of the dark current mode), a slight increase in the level of total current impinging on that star will move it into the normal glow mode. This transition will be accompanied by a rapid change in the voltage rise across the plasma of the star's atmosphere. Maxwell's equations tell us that such a change in voltage can produce a strong dynamic E-field and a strong dynamic magnetic field. If they are strong enough, dynamic EM fields can produce X-rays. Another similar phenomenon can occur if a star makes the transition from normal glow to arc mode.
Seems to resolve their little x-ray dilemma handily... "Cool" stars give off a burst of x-rays when they transition from dark mode to glow mode and again at the transition from glow mode to arc mode, according to Don.

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Re: Electric Currents Critical to Star Formation?

Post by substance » Tue Sep 02, 2008 4:54 am

I love how they think that heated dust can emit in radio and x-ray wavelength, but they can never prove this in a laboratory!
Michael, I don`t seem to be able to visualize a star in arc mode. What is it supposed to do and look like?
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Magnetic Movie

Post by FS3 » Tue Sep 02, 2008 3:40 pm

Hi Stef, if I may add an really incridible artistic project to your pic, posted here:
StefanR wrote:...
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Image courtesy of NRAO/AUI

This image was produced by filtering out the large scale structure in the above image of the Orion Nebula, M42. Note a web of string-like features with typical widths of a few arcseconds (~1016 cm), which are concentrated throughout the Trapezium region.
http://www.nrao.edu/imagegallery/php/level3.php?id=402
...I want to suggest to visit THIS site:

Magnetic Movie
http://vimeo.com/1166968

More at:
http://www.semiconductorfilms.com/root/ ... gnetic.htm

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Re: Magnetic Movie

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FS3 wrote:
...I want to suggest to visit THIS site:

Magnetic Movie
http://vimeo.com/1166968

More at:
http://www.semiconductorfilms.com/root/ ... gnetic.htm

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Very beautiful indeed! As I`ve said before, until Plasma Cosmology gets designers of that caliber, we won`t see our ideas get popular. :(
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Re: Electric Currents Critical to Star Formation?

Post by StefanR » Wed Oct 15, 2008 3:23 am

NGC 346 is the brightest star-forming region in the Small Magellanic Cloud, a dwarf galaxy that orbits the Milky Way, at a distance of 210 000 light-years.
Previously, astronomers knew that most of NGC 346's smaller stars were created at the same time as the massive stars located at the centre of the region, all out of one dense parent cloud. The intense radiation from the more massive stars ate away at the surrounding dusty cloud, causing gas to expand and compressing cold dust into new stars. This process is known as 'triggered star formation'. The red-orange filaments surrounding the centre of the image show where this process has occurred.
But the formation of a set of younger, small stars in the region, seen at the top of the image, could not be explained by this mechanism. Scientists were puzzled by what triggered the formation of this seemingly isolated group of stars.
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The infrared observations highlight cold dust in red, visible data show glowing gas in green, and X-rays show very warm gas in blue. Ordinary stars appear as blue spots with white centres, while young stars enshrouded in dust appear as red spots with white centres.

By combining multi-wavelength data of NGC 346, Gouliermis and his team were able to trace back the trigger of the formation of these young stars to a very massive star that blasted apart in a supernova explosion about 50 000 years ago. According to the team, this massive star spurred the stars into existence before it died, but it triggered a different type of star formation compared to that which occurred around the centre of the region. Fierce winds from the massive star, and not radiation, compressed the remaining dust in the parent cloud, forming new stars.

The finding demonstrates that both wind- and radiation-induced star formation are at play in the same cloud. According to Gouliermis, "The result shows us that star formation is a far more complicated process than we believed, comprising different competitive and collaborative mechanisms."

The new image also reveals a bubble, seen as a blue halo to the left, caused by the supernova explosion of the massive star. Analysis shows that this bubble is located within a large, expanding gaseous shell, possibly powered by the explosion and the winds of other bright stars in its vicinity.

In this image, infrared light (red) shows cold dust; visible light (green) denotes irradiative gas; and X-rays (blue) represent warm gas.
http://www.esa.int/esaSC/SEMLKL4N0MF_index_0.html

Just a little warm gas :roll: :lol:
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Re: Electric Currents Critical to Star Formation?

Post by junglelord » Wed Oct 15, 2008 6:10 am

"The result shows us that star formation is a far more complicated process than we believed, comprising different competitive and collaborative mechanisms."
I bet thats plasma physics and electric physics.
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Re: Electric Currents Critical to Star Formation?

Post by earls » Wed Oct 15, 2008 6:50 am

That magnetic movie was beautiful and exceptionally interesting. Does anyone have any more references for hairy waving magnetic fields?

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Re: Electric Currents Critical to Star Formation?

Post by MGmirkin » Fri Oct 17, 2008 5:44 pm

earls wrote:Does anyone have any more references for hairy waving magnetic fields?
Gods, when you put it that way, it sounds kind of hilarious! :lol:

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Re: Electric Currents Critical to Star Formation?

Post by junglelord » Fri Oct 17, 2008 6:31 pm

I believe it is related to standing waves and fractals.
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Re: Electric Currents Critical to Star Formation?

Post by seasmith » Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:15 pm

by earls on Wed Oct 15, 2008 6:50 am

That magnetic movie was beautiful and exceptionally interesting. Does anyone have any more references for hairy waving magnetic fields?
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VENUS- The wild-haired goddress proposed by D. Talbott

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http://science.nationalgeographic.com/s ... 6-1-ga.jpg

Critical to planet formation, as well ?
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Blowing bubbles over streaming rivers

Post by StefanR » Fri Dec 12, 2008 3:48 am

ImageThe Large Magellanic Cloud
with the Tarantula Nebula at center left
http://www.solstation.com/x-objects/sn1987a.htm

Found in the nearby Large Magellanic Cloud, 30 Doradus is one of the largest massive star forming regions close to the Milky Way.
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Enormous stars in 30 Doradus, also known as the Tarantula Nebula, are producing intense radiation and searing winds of multimillion-degree gas that carve out gigantic bubbles in the surrounding cooler gas and dust. Other massive stars have raced through their evolution and exploded catastrophically as supernovae, expanding these bubbles into X-ray-brightened superbubbles.Image They leave behind pulsars as beacons of their former lives and expanding supernova remnants that trigger the collapse of giant clouds of dust and gas to form new generations of stars.
http://chandra.harvard.edu/photo/2008/30dor/
The Chandra image of the Tarantula Nebula gives scientists a close-up view of the drama of star formation and evolution. Image
The Tarantula, also known as 30 Doradus, is in one of the most active star-forming regions in our Local Group of galaxies. Image
Optical Image of 30 Doradus
Massive stars are producing intense radiation and searing winds of multimillion-degree gas that carve out gigantic super-bubbles in the surrounding gas. Other massive stars have raced through their evolution and exploded catastrophically as supernovas, leaving behind pulsars and expanding remnants that trigger the collapse of giant clouds of dust and gas to form new generations of stars.
Two off-axis ACIS-S chips (right panel) were used to expand the field of view. They show SNR N157C, possibly a large shell-like supernova remnant or a wind-blown bubble created by OB stars. Supernova 1987A Imageis also visible just above and to the right of the Honeycomb Nebula at the bottom center.
http://chandra.harvard.edu/photo/2002/0057/ http://chandra.harvard.edu/photo/2000/sn1987a/ http://www.solstation.com/x-objects/sn1987a.htm
Rivers of Gas Flow Around Stars in New Space Image
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A new image from NASA's Spitzer Space Telescope shows a turbulent star-forming region, where rivers of gas and stellar winds are eroding thickets of dusty material.
The picture provides some of the best examples yet of the ripples of gas, or bow shocks, that can form around stars in choppy cosmic waters.

"The stars are like rocks in a rushing river," said Matt Povich of the University of Wisconsin, Madison. "Powerful winds from the most massive stars at the center of the cloud produce a large flow of expanding gas. This gas then piles up with dust in front of winds from other massive stars that are pushing back against the flow." Povich is lead author of a paper describing the new findings in the Dec. 10 issue of the Astrophysical Journal.
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"The bow shocks are like interstellar weather vanes, indicating the direction of the stellar winds in the nebula," said Povich.
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/spitz ... 81208.html

Rushing flowing choppy rivers and searing carving piling catastrophic winds. Oh my, must be the cosmic climate change(tm)(c) :o
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Re: Electric Currents Critical to Star Formation?

Post by StefanR » Thu Jan 08, 2009 5:50 am

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Even some stars go ballistic, racing through interstellar space like bullets and tearing through clouds of gas.

Images from NASA's Hubble Space Telescope reveal 14 young, runaway stars plowing through regions of dense interstellar gas, creating brilliant arrowhead structures and trailing tails of glowing gas. These arrowheads, or bow shocks, form when the stars' powerful stellar winds, streams of matter flowing from the stars, slam into surrounding dense gas. The phenomenon is similar to that seen when a speeding boat pushes through water on a lake.

"We think we have found a new class of bright, high-velocity stellar interlopers," says astronomer Raghvendra Sahai of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., and leader of the Hubble study. "Finding these stars is a complete surprise because we were not looking for them. When I first saw the images, I said 'Wow. This is like a bullet speeding through the interstellar medium.' Hubble's sharp 'eye' reveals the structure and shape of these bow shocks."

The astronomers can only estimate the ages, masses, and velocities of these renegade stars. The stars appear to be young— just millions of years old. Their ages are based partly on their strong stellar winds.

Most stars produce powerful winds either when they are very young or very old. Only very massive stars greater than 10 times the Sun's mass have stellar winds throughout their lifetimes. But the objects observed by Hubble are not very massive, because they do not have glowing clouds of ionized gas around them. They are medium-sized stars that are a few to eight times more massive than the Sun. The stars are not old because the shapes of the nebulae around aging, dying stars are very different, and old stars are almost never found near dense interstellar clouds.

Depending on their distance from Earth, the bullet-nosed bow shocks could be 100 billion to a trillion miles wide (the equivalent of 17 to 170 solar system diameters, measured out to Neptune's orbit). The bow shocks indicate that the stars are traveling fast, more than 112,000 miles an hour (more than 180,000 kilometers an hour) with respect to the dense gas they are plowing through, which is roughly five times faster than typical young stars.

"The high-speed stars were likely kicked out of their homes, which were probably massive star clusters," Sahai says.

There are two possible ways this stellar expulsion could have happened. One way is if one star in a binary system exploded as a supernova and the partner got kicked out. Another scenario is a collision between two binary star systems or a binary system and a third star. One or more of these stars could have picked up energy from the interaction and escaped the cluster.

Assuming their youthful phase lasts only a million years and they are moving at roughly 112,000 miles an hour, the stars have traveled about 160 light-years.

Runaway stars have been seen before. The Infrared Astronomical Satellite (IRAS), which performed an all-sky infrared survey in 1983, spied a few similar-looking objects. The first observation of these objects was in the late 1980s. But those stars produced much larger bow shocks than the stars in the Hubble study, suggesting that they are more massive stars with more powerful stellar winds.

"The stars in our study are likely the lower-mass and/or lower-speed counterparts to the massive stars with bow shocks detected by IRAS," Sahai explains. "We think the massive runaway stars observed before were just the tip of the iceberg. The stars seen with Hubble may represent the bulk of the population, both because many more lower-mass stars inhabit the universe than higher-mass stars, and because a much larger number are subject to modest speed kicks."
http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/archiv ... 9/03/full/

A lot of flowing and speeding and pushing and plowing...well you know the drill. ;)
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