Perratt Galaxy Formation - Double Quasar 2009 observation

[Jarvamundo]

Hi guys, not sure if this 2009 observation was discussed here before... anyways..

Most here would know of Anthony Perratt's quasar evolution simulations of galaxy formation, based on Alfven's models. This also lines up with Halton Arp ejection observations and models.

Described well here:
http://www.plasma-universe.com/index.ph ... _formation


"Peratt's galaxy formation simulation: Simulation of plasma in two adjacent Birkeland filaments of width 35 kpc and separation 80 kpc. The axial extent of the simulation is only 10 kpc, so the formation of a 3-d disk is not demonstrated by this calculation."

note:
35kpc filament width : 80kpc seperation
= modeled 0.43 ratio of filament to seperation

anyways, as we know, if you replace "quasar or birkeland current" with "black hole" you'll get way more search results and papers with todays tools... I came across this paper/archive which stood out to me...

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2009arXiv0905.3566W
http://www.ledas.ac.uk/cgi-bin/atel/ind ... ?read=2061

The radio-quiet quasar SDSS J1536+0441 shows two broad-line emission systems that Boroson and Lauer interpret as a candidate binary black hole system with a separation of 0.1 pc (0.02 mas). From new VLA imaging at 8.5 GHz, two faint sources, separated by 0farcs97 (5.1 kpc), have been discovered within the quasar's optical localization region. Each radio source is unresolved, with a diameter of less than 0farcs37 (1.9 kpc).....

<1.9kpc width : 5.1kpc seperation
Observed 0.37 ratio of filament to seperation?

As it turns out, this 'quasar' upon enhanced resolution is a... well 'binary quasar'...

Have a look at the image here:


To me the above Perratt Modelled ratios and observed ratios are darn close....ie.. 0.4 = 0.4

Can we expect upon enhanced resolution that quasars will reveal similar binary relationships. Alot would depend on the angle we view the quasars/birkeland filaments... is this just a fluke perpendicular observation of birkeland currents..... it's pretty clear these "quasars", "black holes", "birkeland currents" are interacting.... They do match a prediction of the Alfven model no?

Ofcourse the size/magnitude is slightly different... but as we know plasma / current scales well... certainly those scales.... anyways just something that stood out to me...

As these new telescopes and imaging technologies come online VLA, SKA, VLT are we going to be able to have the resolution to separate these objects... of course interacting objects imaged perpendicular to their plane will show up first.

[Jarvamundo]

Add: that other recent quasar pair interaction, we saw recently!

http://arxiv.org/pdf/1001.1738v3
http://iopscience.iop.org/0004-637X/710/2/1578


"25 kpc separation, 75kpc spiral arm size" hmm... can't find size of each object in that paper.

I guess a difficulty might come with dertmining actual sizes... as the size scales are determined based on Z (which might be incorrect if Narlikar variable mass is employed) .... the ratios tho would not be affected by these sizing techniques, as the interacting objects and features would all be sized together.

Plasma don't care about scale.

Are we going to soon be able to build an "Alfven Arp Perratt Atlas of Evolving Galaxies" or an "idiots guide to making spirals from quasars".

[Solar]

Hello Jarv.

Quasars are very interesting as well as the correlation with Peratt that you’ve mentioned. If I’m not mistaken, it was Winston H. Bostick who coined the term “plasmoid”. The actual plasmoids from Bostick performed likewise resulting in a spiral configuration and SDSS J1254+0846 does bear the same experimental electro-plasma dynamic achieved circa 1956 -58! Thank you, Ian Tresman.

On a side note he also put forth:

The hypothesis of Bostick (1957) and Laurence (1956) concerning the formation of barred-spiral galaxies which become coherent self-exciting homopolar generators has been recently supported by three-dimensional particle-in-cell computer simulations. Such galaxies should be able to convert an appreciable fraction of the energy from their gravitationally collapsing plasmas to coherently increasing magnetic energy via their coherent self-exciting homopolar-generator action. A simple calculation is presented here to show that the resulting mutually induced magnetic repulsions between neighboring galaxies are greater than the gravitational attractive forces between the galaxies. The observed expansion of the universe can be thus simply accounted for without recourse to the Big Bang hypothesis. – The Hubble expansion as ascribed to mutual magnetic induction between neighboring galaxies

See also:

“Possible Hydromagnetic Simulationof Cosmical Phenomena in the Laboratory”:

It is possible to fire two plasmoids at oneanother and have them fasten head-to-tail to form a flattened ring which flips into a “figure 8.”
(…)
As the plasma is initially decelerated by the magnetic field and by any subsequent electromagnetic breaking forces, it feels a deceleration in the direction in which it was projected; the plasma forms a jet which moves across the magnetic field.
We should expect these instability jets in the galaxy to spiral in toward the center … as they do in the laboratory experiments. Presumably if there are only two jets they will form a barred spiral galaxy …, but several jets will form a several armed spiral. We thus draw the sequence of Figs 8a), 8(b), 8(c), and 8(d) which indicates our picture of galaxy formation.

You’ve probably read “Evolution of the Plasma Universe: I. Double Radio Galaxies, Quasars, and Extragalactic Jets”:

Focusing on Section VII “Formation of Elliptical Quasars and Magnetically Confined Sheet Electron Beams”

The condensation of plasma from the cosmic plasma medium involves two mechanisms: the pinching of plasma within the current-conducting filaments, and the capture and compression of plasma between the filaments. The rate of condensation thus depends on whether the plasma is internal or external to a filament.

Also to note:

(The concentrated plasma at the center of the sump has not yet been modeled because of demands on spatial resolution in a simulation. Lerner has studied this state in some detail and points out the similarity to pinch regions in the dense plasma focus [!5].)

The reference [15] is:

Abstract
A model of quasars and their associated jets as phenomena of magnetic selfcompression is presented. Magnetic field self-compression, as observed in laboratory plasma focus devices, results in increases in energy density of more than 108 and in even larger increases in transferred power density. Our model, based on the scaling of these phenomena to astrophysical dimensions, avoids the problems of gravitationallyconfined approaches. It presents a mechanism by which the energy of a quasar is immediately derived from a volume nearly 106 times larger than the observed quasar radiating volume and is ultimately derived from the volume of an entire protogalactic plasma cloud. The model's predictions of quasar energy, radiated power, lifetime, dimensions, density and rotational velocity are in good agreement with observations. Part II of this paper extends the model to radio galaxies and briefly discusses the role of similar self-compression processes in the origin of filamentary super-clusters of galaxies. - Magnetic self-compression in laboratory plasmas, quasars and radio galaxies. Part I

At one point I had thought quasars might've been a ‘down the barrel’ view of a cosmic Birkeland current along the line of the higher isobaric compression (approx. 8890 kms/s) nine times faster than Biot-Sarvat attraction in the region. However, the earlier paper from Peratt notes:

Fig.13(b)-(c) illustrates sources in which large-red-shift QSO’s have formed at or near the geometric center between filaments …

Thus, notwithstanding Birkeland currents and the “pinch’ dynamic, the quasar as modeled by Lerner (haven’t seen this paper) would probably present a more detailed analysis of the dense “plasmoid”.

Coupled with comet-like ”Galaxy Tails” the visible ‘arc’ of the tail SDSS J1536 on the left does suggest a Biot-Sarvart ‘spiraling attraction’ as opposed to “inspiraling SMBHs” and the suggestion that the pair may be gravitationally ‘lensed’. This is certainly something to keep an eye on as relates the EU/PC if not already in strong support of it and the those efforts put forth by Bostick, Peratt, Arp.

“tidal tails” ?

[Harry Costas]

G'day

The spiral was formed by one of the ultra dense plasma forming a jet, ejecting matter out. Initially it would have been a dipole jet that in time through gravitational motion spiralled.

It is very common for these so called quasars to form near the centre of galaxies.