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Electrically Induced Laboratory "Black Holes"

Unread post by flyingcloud » Tue Apr 06, 2010 2:33 pm

Cold Atoms and Nanotubes Come Together in an Atomic 'Black Hole'http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 125716.htm
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Launched laser-cooled atoms are captured by a single, suspended, single-wall carbon nanotube charged to hundreds of volts. A captured atom spirals towards the nanotube (white path) and reaches the environs of the tube surface, where its valence electron (yellow) tunnels into the tube. The resulting ion (purple) is ejected and detected, and the dynamics at the nanoscale are sensitively probed. (Credit: Anne Goodsell and Tommi Hakala/Harvard University)

ScienceDaily (Apr. 6, 2010) — Carbon nanotubes, long touted for applications in materials and electronics, may also be the stuff of atomic-scale black holes.
Physicists at Harvard University have found that a high-voltage nanotube can cause cold atoms to spiral inward under dramatic acceleration before disintegrating violently. Their experiments, the first to demonstrate something akin to a black hole at atomic scale, are described in the current issue of the journal Physical Review Letters.

"On a scale of nanometers, we create an inexorable and destructive pull similar to what black holes exert on matter at cosmic scales," says Lene Vestergaard Hau, Mallinckrodt Professor of Physics and of Applied Physics at Harvard. "As importantly for scientists, this is the first merging of cold-atom and nanoscale science, and it opens the door to a new generation of cold atom experiments and nanoscale devices."

Hau and co-authors Anne Goodsell, Trygve Ristroph, and Jene A. Golovchenko laser-cooled clouds of one million rubidium atoms to just a fraction of a degree above absolute zero. The physicists then launched this millimeter-long atomic cloud towards a suspended carbon nanotube, located some two centimeters away and charged to hundreds of volts.

The vast majority of the atoms passed right by the wire, but those that came within a micron of it -- roughly 10 atoms in every million-atom cloud -- were inescapably attracted, reaching high speeds as they spiraled toward the nanotube.

"From a start at about 5 meters per second, the cold atoms reach speeds of roughly 1,200 meters per second, or more than 2,700 miles per hour, as they circle the nanotube," says Goodsell, a graduate student on the project and now a postdoctoral researcher in physics at Harvard. "As part of this tremendous acceleration, the temperature corresponding to the atoms' kinetic energy increases from 0.1 degrees Kelvin to thousands of degrees Kelvin in less than a microsecond."

At this point, the speeding atoms separate into an electron and an ion rotating in parallel around the nanowire, completing each orbit in just a few trillionths of a second. The electron eventually gets sucked into the nanotube via quantum tunneling, causing its companion ion to shoot away -- repelled by the strong charge of the 300-volt nanotube -- at a speed of roughly 26 kilometers per second, or 59,000 miles per hour.

The entire experiment was conducted with great precision, allowing the scientists unprecedented access to both cold-atom and nanoscale processes.

"Cold-atom and nanoscale science have each provided exciting new systems for study and applications," says Golovchenko, Rumford Professor of Physics and Gordon McKay Professor of Applied Physics at Harvard. "This is the first experimental realization of a combined cold atom-nanostructure system. Our system demonstrates sensitive probing of atom, electron, and ion dynamics at the nanoscale."

The single-walled carbon nanotube used in these researchers' successful experiment was dubbed "Lucy," and its contributions are acknowledged in the Physical Review Letters paper. The nanotube was grown by chemical vapor deposition across a 10-micron gap in a silicon chip that provides the nanowire with both mechanical support and electrical contact.

"From the atom's point of view, the nanotube is infinitely long and thin, creating a singular effect on the atom," Hau says.

This work was supported by the Air Force Office of Scientific Research and the National Science Foundation.

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Re: Electrically Induced Laboratory "Black Holes"

Unread post by solrey » Tue Apr 06, 2010 3:58 pm

There they go again. Using electromagnetic fields to simulate an effect seen in space then ignoring those very same electromagnetic fields that caused the effects seen in the lab in favor of black holes (or dark matter/energy/flow...unicorns) in their conjectured application to the cosmos.
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Re: Electrically Induced Laboratory "Black Holes"

Unread post by Jarvamundo » Tue Apr 06, 2010 4:38 pm

hmmm... EU model now experimentally verified on nanoscales?
Our system demonstrates sensitive probing of atom, electron, and ion dynamics at the nanoscale.
Electrically induced blackholes, darkmatter, dark energy, fairies
Electrically induced AGN
Electrically induced stars
Electrically induced galaxies

spot the pattern?

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Unread post by junglelord » Wed Apr 07, 2010 9:38 pm

oo, oo, oo, Mr Kotter...Mr Kotter.
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Re: Electrically Induced Laboratory "Black Holes"

Unread post by seasmith » Thu Apr 08, 2010 8:31 pm

Ae cycle
Lene Hau has already shaken scientists' beliefs about the nature of things. Albert Einstein and just about every other physicist insisted that light travels 186,000 miles a second in free space, and that it can't be speeded-up or slowed down. But in 1998, Hau, for the first time in history, slowed light to 38 miles an hour, about the speed of rush-hour traffic.
http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2 ... reactions/

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At this point, the speeding atoms separate into an electron and an ion rotating in parallel around the nanowire, completing each orbit in just a few trillionths of a second. The electron eventually gets sucked into the nanotube via quantum tunneling (by any other name), causing its companion ion to shoot away...
No clues as to where the "sucked-in" electrons end up.
Sounds like we are now, on a very micro scale, getting perilously close to recognizing the 'sucking end' of the
Aetheric Circuit.

The residue of stripped "ions" probably being the 'matter vortices' so aptly described by Kevin, and others.

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Re: Electrically Induced Laboratory "Black Holes"

Unread post by solrey » Thu Apr 08, 2010 11:12 pm

I would think the negative electron would simply be attracted to the positive nano-wire/cathode. What does "quantum tunneling" have to do with that? Or aether for that matter? (sorry seasmith) Seems pretty straightforward to me, especially if one takes atomic polarization into account. I'm guessing only the atoms that get closer to the wire than it's debye screening length are attracted to it. I'll bet the diameter of the wire itself is less than half it's debye screening which is probably how it can trap neutral atoms which can now be polarized by it's electric field with high acceleraton. Since the atom is neutral it should experience both attraction and repulsion due to it's polarization by the wires e-field. The e-field also accelerates it around the wires circumferential magnetic field in which it's "trapped". Once critical ionization velocity is reached the now free electron orbiting the wire, with it's positive ion, and being much lighter should accelerate away from the ion by electrostatic attraction to the cathode, polarization of the ion by the electric field, and the nano-wire's circumferential magnetic field.
So, the electron shell of the atom is already polarized by the electric field before reaching critical ionization velocity and when CIV is reached a free electron would naturally exit from the negatively polarized side of the atom and would therefore be repelled from the ion while also being attracted to the positive cathode nano-wire. Angular momentum and some attraction to the positive side of the atom just reduces the rate of separation at first so they sort of travel together briefly. And like in any electric field the electron is ultimately attracted to the positive cathode and the ion is repelled by it.
Occam's razor.
That could be totally wrong but to me it seems like basic physics yielding the simple answer.

In space across a double layer's electric field, in the strongest fields the positive ion could continue on as a cosmic ray, or in weaker fields/dense electron populations, eventually get an electron back becoming an energetic neutral atom.

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Re: Electrically Induced Laboratory "Black Holes"

Unread post by junglelord » Fri Apr 09, 2010 5:53 am

agreed, this is no black hole, simple physics of nanocarbontubes and eletrostatics with eletromagnetics.
Quantum tunneling is a so called jump through hyperspace energy hills, but quantum tunneling diodes have been around for a long time...no big deal.

In the end, as pointed out, they ALWAYS use eletricity to demonstrate their "gravity" ideas...how RETARDED.
What scientific method is that?

Where is a real debunker when you need one.

I get so tired of the retarded debunker (no scientific method on his part) on UFO shows, like this one and watching Bill Mitchell put him in his place is great.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QKW6Gt3KKs


I would love to do the same and have us putting them in their place, because our debunking has prove.
We are clearly in a upside down universe, which is made by our own society and power structures, to dumb us down, keep us in war and poor.
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Re: Electrically Induced Laboratory "Black Holes"

Unread post by seasmith » Fri Apr 09, 2010 10:47 am

Solrey wrote:
What does "quantum tunneling" have to do with that? Or aether for that matter?
Electrons are clearly not the primal quanta of the universe.
Hence, no Aether (or what ever you want to call it) - no electrons.

[ You might pursue Ms. Lene Hau's earlier work on "light" ]

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Re: Electrically Induced Laboratory "Black Holes"

Unread post by solrey » Fri Apr 09, 2010 11:41 am

Hi seasmith. I Don't want to give the wrong impression. I'm not saying there's no aether, I'm just saying that this nano-wire taking on electrons doesn't show proof for it as the nano-wire thing can be explained without it, imo.

Can't find the link right now but there's an interesting youtube video of a new vertical setup of the michelson-morley beam splitter that might actually exhibit polarization from "aether drag". So yeah, I'm down with aether.
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Re: Electrically Induced Laboratory "Black Holes"

Unread post by Jarvamundo » Fri Apr 09, 2010 8:05 pm

Can't find the link right now but there's an interesting youtube video of a new vertical setup of the michelson-morley beam splitter that might actually exhibit polarization from "aether drag". So yeah, I'm down with aether.
TB here: http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/forum/phpB ... f=8&t=2857

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Re: Electrically Induced Laboratory "Black Holes"

Unread post by seasmith » Mon Apr 12, 2010 6:58 pm

More unexplained behavior by 'electrons':
Researchers from the Max Born Institute in Berlin have now demonstrated that crystal electrons in extremely high electric fields exhibit a completely different behavior. Their mass even becomes negative. They report in the latest issue of Physical Review Letters that the electron is accelerated within the extremely short time of 100 femtoseconds = 0.000 000 000 000 1 seconds to a speed of 4 million kilometers per hour. Afterwards the electron comes to a stop and even moves backward. This means that the acceleration is in opposite direction to the force, which can only be explained by a negative inertial mass of the electron.
In the experiments, electrons in the semiconductor crystal gallium arsenide are accelerated by an extremely short electrical pulse with a field strength of 30 million Volts per meter. At the same time the speed of the electrons is measured with high precision as a function of time. The duration of the electric pulse is only 300 femtoseconds. This extremely short duration is essential as otherwise the crystal could be damaged.
http://www.nanowerk.com/news/newsid=157 ... gy+News%29

It's not stated in the brief article, but one would think that, at those energies, the electrons would become 'relativistic' and emit x-rays (and the like). Perhaps more than the tensegrity of an ambient aether would permit ?


http://dx.doi.org/doi:10.1103/PhysRevLett.104.146602

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Re: Electrically Induced Laboratory "Black Holes"

Unread post by solrey » Mon Apr 12, 2010 8:17 pm

They sent a strong electric pulse through a semi-conductor. When it's energized, the atoms that comprise the material are going to be strongly polarized by the electric field. The free electron accelerates past those atoms, and I wouldn't be surprised if a filament of a mobile charge carrier hole is left in the wake. When the pulse is over and the electric field collapses, the polarized atoms are going to snap back to null polarization. The electron would just be responding to the electromagnetic fields of the atoms in the semiconductor "un-flexing". If a filamentary "hole" in the lattice is left in the wake that could contribute to how the electron responds as well. It seems that the reversal of the electron ought to be expected under those conditions. Or maybe it's just me. :?

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Re: Electrically Induced Laboratory "Black Holes"

Unread post by seasmith » Mon Apr 12, 2010 9:49 pm

Solrey wrote:
It seems that the reversal of the electron ought to be expected under those conditions.
Solrey,

Well yes, now that they have observed the phenomena, they expect it.
A crystal lattice is after all a micro-circuit.

I think what they were ooh-oohing about is "that the acceleration is in opposite direction to the force".

Then again, events on that scale are pretty hard to distinguish from the measuring process.
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Re: Electrically Induced Laboratory "Black Holes"

Unread post by mharratsc » Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:23 pm

Haven't had a bunch of time recently to prowl the boards, and just happened to pop in on this dialogue.

Always impresses me with just how smart you all are 8-)


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Re: Electrically Induced Laboratory "Black Holes"

Unread post by seasmith » Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:46 pm

mharratsc,


There are some pretty smart cookies on this forum, and i am happy to just tag along.

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