Strange patterns on iced bay (Norway)

[Siggy_G]

Here's a recent article from a local newspaper in Norway. An old man had observed a stange light in the bay nearby late Friday evening. A 2 meter wide light (ball lightning?) according to him. The next morning there were holes and surrounding sinus wave patterns on the ice. What do you guys reckon it is?

Google Translate makes some funny translations (and long URLs), but does a pretty good job. Check the images though:

http://translate.google.com/translate?h ... 42370.html

More images:

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/ ... 6aJ_c9sujg

[starbiter]

This is obviously a case of drunken English hooligans with a giant hair dryer.

But seriously, very thought provoking.

Thanks, michael

[jjohnson]

The Google translation from Norwegian is, umh, a little Googley... I think that they meant to say "sine waves", but if you like at the images closely they look more like field lines (contours of equal field strength) around some magnets or other sources - light, electric and magnetic fields all fall off with distance and tend to have continuous curves like this event displays.

What the source is remains to be discovered, as the story told by the observer is a little hard to understand and attributes the appearance of the markings to a large ball lightning that he saw. It's really hard to derive a good concept or hypothesis, if you will, as to what and how these patterns were marked in the ice. The accompanying idea that maybe it was upwelling sewage has apparently been somewhat falsified by an official who noted that sewage is routed elsewhere via pipes. Barring leakage, upwelling sewage is not the likely culprit. Maybe the Masked Zamboni!!

[starbiter]

The idea of Ball Lightning seems plausible in light of Wal Thornhill's article.

http://www.thunderbolts.info/webnews/ie ... tening.htm

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However, VanDevender distinguished extreme ball lightning (EBL) by the following characteristics:
• it glows in air;
• it originates from nothing visible;
• it lasts between 10 and 1200 seconds;
• it floats at about 1 meter/second;
• it is lethal or potentially lethal;
• it causes significant damage;
• it contains energy estimated at 100,000 to 1 billion Joules, far in excess of the energy density attributable to chemicals or electrostatics;
• it penetrates walls, glass and metal, generally without leaving a hole;
• it induces large currents but is in radial force equilibrium;
• it leaves black streaks on corpses without the spasm of electrocution;
• it can excavate tons of earth.


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The tinkering with the Ionosphere by HAARP could also be a factor. Or not. The spirals over Norway seemed to go to ground. I wouldn't want to be close to the lake where the patterns are. It might sting.

[Siggy_G]

They have now made an article about the official explanation. (Again, several strange translations by Google):

http://translate.google.com/translate?j ... l=no&tl=en

In summary, their point is that warmer water from the seabed rises and moves with the tide. It "etches" holes through the ice, which eventually grows larger as water pours through them. As for the surrounding patterns, they believe it is water that spreads out gradually.

I can somewhat buy the idea, and I can also see that if the ice were to be pushed considerably up and downwards, it would create circular patterns in the snow that covers the ice. However, the melting process nor tide don't seem to account for such large vertical movements. Also, the water wouldn't just skip through layers of snow, and form along radial patterns like this (branching patterns could be caused by this though). It seems more likely to me that something has made strong vibrations or waves through the ice, with the holes as "attack points". This would also create the interference patterns (or sine waves) as the ones seen in the article photo.

Sonic interference patterns: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtiSCBXbHAg

There were a couple of articles on similar patterns, that also are said to be caused by the ice melting process. See images, and read portions of the weird text if you like

http://translate.google.com/translate?j ... l=no&tl=en

[starbiter]

Why ignore the eyewitness? What would be the point of lying?

[Siggy_G]

If the water pouring through the holes is the reason for the patterns, the water would first and foremonst melt the snow that is closest to the holes. This is not what is seen on the photos. Why would water be skipping through areas of snow - to form bands of melted and unmelted snow? Again, this seems more like patterns from heavy vibrations (caused by ball lightning or incoming objects), where certain fields are compressed and stretched by wave dynamics, radially from the holes. It also seems like the event happened overnight, so tidal effects would cause such dynamic movements either.

[Drethon]

Not to mention the interesting radial marks that look somewhat like Litchenburg pattern.

[MrAmsterdam]

An old man had observed a stange light in the bay nearby late Friday evening. A 2 meter wide light (ball lightning?) according to him. The next morning there were holes and surrounding sinus wave patterns on the ice. What do you guys reckon it is?

http://translate.google.com/translate?j ... l=no&tl=en
Tuesday night there were several sightings of fireballs in the sky over Norway. Folk så fenomenet både fra Hvaler, Halden og Sarpsborg. People saw the phenomenon from both whales, Halden and Sarpsborg.

Star biter ;

Why ignore the eyewitness? What would be the point of lying?

Let's not ignore all the eyewitnesses.

Let me have a go at it.

Properties of the phenomena;

- a 2 meter wide light
- wave pattern (standing waves???)
- Lichtenberg figure
- heat ? interaction with ice

I would put it in the category of PLASMA. Plasma radiates in the EMF, EF and MF.

What kind of plasma?
Maybe it was an example out of nature. Are we seeing an spontaneous COLD FUSION phenomena in ice cold water?

But it could also be a manipulated form of plasma and then all bets are off...