"Blueprint for making stars"

[tholden]

ScienceNow article:

http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/co ... 2010/127/3

discussion on FR

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2439892/posts



I'd be curious as to the EU interpretation of that image.

[jjohnson]

One just wishes they knew how to read their own blueprints! Here is a classic z-pinched nebula (paired Birkeland currents) compressing the local interstellar medium to much higher density. It's being heated to higher and higher temperature by the incident current stresses. Everything by now is pretty well ionized and particles are getting sorted out in messy shells by their CIV's (critical ionization velocities).

They observe that there is an equatorial disk normal to the polar axis, and an equatorial toroid ejecting carbon monoxide (likely detected by its standard EM signature or absorption lines) at a radius of 2000 AU. They find that there is evidence (continuum emission and collimated flow) of polar jets flinging gas out along the polar axes.

The images (in IR for the most part) are not well resolved, being particularly pixelated, but the jets are not highly axial and organized. The z-pinch seems much more obvious in the artist's painting than in the massaged data imagery. The SE polar jet, I'd bet, is the one pointing at some angle toward the observer, while the fainter opposite jet is imaged more dimly through the obscuration of the equatorial accretion disk and 'gas' torus. This looks like the typical hourglass environment building a star, regardless of the estimated mass of the star. Let's be clear, while we're at it - it isn't likely that there is much in the way of 'gas' within several hundred to over a thousand AU's of this star - this is clearly a plasma phenomenon dominated by electrodynamic forces, and the 'accretion disk' is not likely to be driven by gravity, either. Toward the end of the research paper (downloadable PDF on arXiv) the researchers note:

Our findings suggest a picture of massive star formation within W33A which is in excellent qualitative agreement with the accretion- disk-plus-bipolar wind paradigm. An accretion disk orbits a massive central star, which is surrounded by a cool molecular envelope which has been rotationally-flattened into a torus. The central star is driving a bi-polar wind, seen on small scales in the ionized gas, and on larger scales as molecular/continuum emission. The two measurements of the central mass indicate that at most the accretion disk makes up ~30% of the system, and so the system mass is dominated by the central star.

Okay, I am unclear on the concept as to how a spherical cloud is "flattened into a torus" or bagel shape gravitationally, while I am at it, whereas electromagnetic action creates toroidal belts around our Sun, the Van Allen belts locally, and similar phenomena at Saturn and Jupiter interacting with their moons. The Electric Model expects toroids like this.

Readers beware: when you read "bi-polar wind seen...in ionized gas" you are actually saying to yourself, this is electro-dynamically driven plasma relieving electrical stress on the star as forces try to balance out and handle the extremely high current density incident on the star's collecting surface." Ionized gas moving at 100-500 km/s through a stellar magnetosphere is in the plasma state, not the gas state. It is not a "wind", which conjures a nice day sailing on the Sound, or something blowing raindrops in your face. This is plasma-driven stellar birth, dear reader. It is messy, dusty and gritty, and interactive and unpredictable. It is radiation hell on wheels.

The electric universe does not hide how it does stuff, and it's pretty exciting from here on the water planet.

Jim

[junglelord]

MMMM reminds me of the flat spiral Tesla Coil to drive the Impulse Magnifying Transmitter in a three coil configuration, to create the longitudinal magneto-dielectric wave! AKA Tesla Wardenclyffe Project!

[mharratsc]

What Jim- you've never seen a bipolar wind form accretion disks of water vapor around sailboats cruising around in the bay??

They're running out of room for these outlandish hypotheses of theirs. Pretty soon they're going to be mathematically challenging the blatantly obvious and getting egg on their collective faces as more and more data comes in.

When that point rolls around, their 'pretty math' solutions are going to become starkly apparent as the shams that they are.

More and more articles that I've been reading have actually had empirical science bulk to them (even tho they have to be run through the 'math filters' of the mainstream before releasing). At some point they have to hit 'critical mass' and realize that the friggin' 'silly math' that they have to do for these experiments are just slowing them down and not helping in any way!

Watch- some guy will manage to sneak through the perimeter and approach some governmental department with the idea "We've discovered that we can save (on average) about 1 billion+ dollars by doing the experiment first, and then working out the math afterwards!" Those are magic words to the budget guys!

Ahh... I LOVE the smell of Logic in the morning! It smells like a Paradigm Shift!

[GaryN]

The NASA SDO mission is set to blast off in a few days, but they will probably end up needing more advanced
mi$$ions to answer the questions that this one raises, seems to be how they work. Lets hope they manage to answer a few questions though.

SDO is designed to help us understand the Sun's influence on Earth and Near-Earth space by studying the solar atmosphere on small scales of space and time and in many wavelengths simultaneously.

http://sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov/

Of course, you are all going to be shocked when the results point in the direction of my model of the electric sun.

[nick c]

Of course in the EU stars are formed in molecular clouds by the z pinch process. But, I don't know that this applies to the situation cited in the article, or even if this is a young star. What we have is an electrically stressed giant star expelling material, not condensing. The so called accretion disc is in reality an expulsion disc. The jets are expelling material from the poles, why would this be a sign of a condensing cloud? Mainstream concludes that this is a young star because of it's position on the Hertsprung-Russell diagram which is interpreted as a chart of stellar evolution. In the EU the H-R diagram is a depiction of the degree of electrical stress that a star is experiencing and says nothing about a star's age. I would question whether there is a smaller companion star orbiting close to the primary? or if there soon will be.

Nick

[tholden]

Of course in the EU stars are formed in molecular clouds by the z pinch process. But, I don't know that this applies to the situation cited in the article, or even if this is a young star. What we have is an electrically stressed giant star expelling material, not condensing. The so called accretion disc is in reality an expulsion disc. The jets are expelling material from the poles, why would this be a sign of a condensing cloud? ...

Nick

Almost reminds me of the Lady-Bird Fountain in the Potomac river back in the days....

Couple of drunks once asked me what that was and I replied it was just the hole in the top of the river where the excess water ran out, sort of like the drain in a sink only it worked the other way. The look on their faces was at least a seven on a 1-10 scale.