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Another great comedy posted at PhysOrg!

Post by mharratsc » Sun Jan 17, 2010 7:42 am

]A massive star is born: Time-lapse movie shows that massive stars form like their smaller siblings

http://www.physorg.com/news182420557.html
Artist’s conception of the rotating disk of hot, ionized gas surrounding Orion Source I, blocking the star from our view. A cool wind of gas is driven from the upper and lower surfaces of the disk and is sculpted into an hourglass shape by tangled magnetic field lines. Image: Bill Saxton, National Radio Astronomy Observatory/Associated Universities, Incorporated/National Science Foundation
Not gonna quote the whole story, as the (in my humble opinion) the funniest part is right there, above, in the summary.
A cool wind of gas is driven from the upper and lower surfaces of the disk and is sculpted into an hourglass shape by tangled magnetic field lines.
No bothering to explain why a "cool wind" would be "driven off" of a gravitationally compressing nebula (yet they think that's what it looks like) ... and yet they give us truckloads of crap when we suggest that cosmic plasma phenomena look like plasma phenomena in a laboratory??

Oh and a new astronomical phenomenon has been inve... *ahem!* observed- magnetic field lines can now not only stretch, bend, twist, snap, and reconnect... NOW they can also tangle!!

We simply need to shoot Vidal Sasson up into space with some of his product and he can go give those stars some serious volume and body, just like their Hollywood counterparts!! :lol:

You can lead a horse to water... :roll:
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Re: Another great comedy posted at PhysOrg!

Post by allynh » Sun Jan 17, 2010 9:22 am

You are right. That is such a blatant EU diagram.
amassivestar small.jpg
What is happening, is that in the past few years they finally have real equipment up in space to see stuff, but they are trapped in anti-Victorian thinking. The Victorians were actually closer to reality than these guys.

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Post by nick c » Sun Jan 17, 2010 9:26 am

One interesting implication of the masers near Source I is that some gas particles appear to move away from the massive star along curved trajectories that wrap in a helix shape resembling Twizzlers candy. “To induce that kind of curvature, our observations seem to suggest, there is some role of magnetic fields during this process,” Matthews said.

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Okay, all astronomers reading this, repeat after me.... "Birkeland Currents."
There, now that was not so hard to say, was it? :lol:

This is yet another example of that twisting formation that EU theorists have been predicting will be found as the instrumentation provides a deeper and more detailed look into the various objects in space.
It has been called a “magnetic Slinky” in the Orion Molecular Cloud. But electrical theorists predict that we will discover counterparts everywhere in space if we will simply look for them.

http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2006/ ... vortex.htm
Birkeland's name has been given to an electrical phenomenon very important in space plasma. He found that electric currents move through space largely by means of electrons spiraling along magnetic field lines. Such a plasma current is known as a "Birkeland current". When two Birkeland currents are parallel they experience a long range attractive force that brings them closer together, or pinches them. When they get very close, a short range repulsive force holds them apart so that they maintain their identity. The result is that separate Birkeland current filaments come together to form pairs and the pairs form a twisted, filamentary "rope" of electric current in space. Plasma physicists have shown that Birkeland currents can remain coherent even over vast intergalactic distances.

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Re: Another great comedy posted at PhysOrg!

Post by jjohnson » Mon Jan 18, 2010 9:46 am

It's what I've been saying all along - planetary nebulae are star starters, not stars' "agonized death throes" as is usually reported. The simple fact that they are claiming that a giant star is being created in this pinch is almost a mini-miracle in itself, rather than saying "astronomers are expecting this giant star nearing the end of its life on the H-R diagram to go nova and collapse into a dying white dwarf or mysterious neutron star or possibly even a black hole!"

I wonder where black holes fall on their backward H-R diagram.

And look at the finer filamentary structure in the ordered chaos in that picture: gravity driven filaments? re: the observed curvature "...our observations seem to suggest, there is some role of magnetic fields during this process." They tiptoe through the tulips but never smell the roses, blinded and deafened by the hum of great electron streams generating magnetic fields as they spiral around complex magnetic equipotential lines and surfaces. Slinkies? What a tangled web of magnetic field lines these dudes weave! -or "wave", at the unsuspecting masses.
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Re: Another great comedy posted at PhysOrg!

Post by viscount aero » Fri Jan 22, 2010 2:32 am

There is a running theme and through-line within the culture of modern gravity-based cosmology: Everything is black, dead, a shadow, missing, colliding, collapsing, a "wind," in the death-throes, billions of years old, icy and cold, inert... etc...

Have they ever considered that the Universe is continually creating itself? For such luminous activity out there, in our own solar system and in the deep field, "modern" physics accredits everything to things dying or being unseen, consumed, non-existent, an illusion.

Nothing they see ever crosses them as a creative act? They never once consider that stars, galaxies are.... ummm... seen in the act of being created as we observe cells in biological systems dividing and giving more life?

Galaxies must always be "colliding" but never dividing?

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Re: Another great comedy posted at PhysOrg!

Post by tayga » Thu Jan 28, 2010 2:24 am

viscount aero wrote:There is a running theme and through-line within the culture of modern gravity-based cosmology: Everything is black, dead, a shadow, missing, colliding, collapsing, a "wind," in the death-throes, billions of years old, icy and cold, inert... etc...
Nice call. When I'm discussing things cosmological, I often like to throw out a question such as "Given that this is a snapshot, why do we assume that these things are colliding and not separating?" Only the Steady Staters such as Hoyle, Burbidge and Arp, and the EU proponents really challenge this.

On a philosophical level, Lemaitre possibly proposed the Big Bang because it struck a chord with his religious belief in a creation event. Seen in religious language, the consensus view of the Universe seems to be that God created it and left it to run down of its own accord. In light of most world cultures being based on religions that contain this sort of creation myth, maybe there's an underlying conviction in people that makes this sort of scenario appealing or convincing?
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Re: Another great comedy posted at PhysOrg!

Post by Harry Costas » Thu Jan 28, 2010 2:31 am

G'day

Creating is quite wrong, it may mean creating matter from nothing. So in a way it is contexual.

Phase transition would be more along the lines of cyclic process, where normal matter matter undergoes a phase transition to condensed matter that is able to form a vortex ejecting subatomic partices that reform normal matter.

The following links are a general search via arXiv, I did not pick on one link. Rather an overall topic. Changing the year may give you some awearness of the topic, but not limited to it. Supersymmetry is also quite interesting new field that is look at by many scientists.

Vortex Dynamics 2009
http://arxiv.org/find/all/1/all:+AND+20 ... /0/all/0/1

Replica Symmetry 2009
http://arxiv.org/find/all/1/all:+AND+20 ... /0/all/0/1

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