Plasma Double Layer = Local Fluff in Cosmology Lingo!

[WCSally]

Are you talking about DRAGNs (Double Radiosource from Active Galactic Nucleus) as in the illustrated radiotelescope images catalog from Jodrell Bank?

What are you asking here, precisely, so we might be able to give it a go? Also, see today's Picture of the Day article by Stephan Smith about what pulsars really are under EU/PC interpretation of these phenomena. Gauss (named after...Gauss) is a unit of magnetic field strength. Not gaus.

Double Radiosource from Active Galactic Nucleus
That would be correct ... on the program it was actually D.R.A.G.O.N. but they used the same image for demonstration.

So I was wondering about how this 'Local Fluff' stays charged ... and the idea that it might be within the sweep of a Pulsar (or two) came to mind (after this program) ...
Which is a second question, are all the known pulsars and their energy projections now mapped?

Something has ramped up the Heliopause greatly since 1995!
Something is causing all the planets in the Solar System to heat up (not just Earth).

I just wondered if it could be this "local fluff" .. it's Gauss, and etc?
It is pushing back on the Heliopause, right? Enough (?) to cause the huge increase in the depth of the field?

There is a charged ribbon around the field as well, but that could have always been there .. it has just been found.
(sorry, I don't have a link)

On the Pulsar thing, I pretty much agree with LaViolette, not stars, but possibly something else. Something that uses Torsion Physics. I don't think a Sun can be a Sun without the "shepherd moons" but that is for another day.

And ... AFTER 40 minutes I finally gave up and Googled 'Picture of the day Thunderbolts' (because there is no way to get there (that I saw) from the index for POD~!! ... If there is an original post, and it says MORE under the first line, then you get there ... otherwise ... you are searching! Not that I did not find some nice things to read in that list, I did!

That is about the gist of it.
Can the Local Fluff be: 1. causing the increase in the Heliopause and: 2. the heating of the solar system?
3. And How is it staying charged?

Thanks

[jjohnson]

3. The local Birkeland current (low density moving electrons, ions and neutral particles moving down our galactic arm, current diameter likely in the 1 to 34 light year range) along with other similar parallel filaments, provides the electron feedstock (drift current) that feeds the heliosphere. The heliosphere is taken as the surface which is collecting these electrons from space, which then fall down the voltage well and feed into the sun at a much, much higher charge density. (The low current of a few charges per unit area over the huge surface of the heliosphere becomes a very high charge density and current density by the time they all get collected - bunched together - onto the relatively tiny surface of the Sun. I am not altogether sure what composes the entity referred obliquely to as the "Local Fluff" by astronomers - it might be clouds of dust (small grains) or clouds of molecules or ions or the interstellar medium - they don't want to be too precise in their wording because they are not really sure (having never sampled it) what they are observing.

You have to read Thornhill and Talbott's The Electric Universe to get comfortable with the models proposed by EU theory, sir or ma'am. Note that pulsars are explained by plasma sheath collapses, not teeny stars with 10cm thick radiating carbon atmospheres hanging on for dear life as they rotate hundreds of times per second. There are much simpler and easier to understand explanations than a neutron star, for what is likely an electrical oscillation circuit with plasma conductors.

2. I don't know that the solar system is heating up. If by that you mean that each planet is heating up, as if measured on its surface, for example, I do not know of many planets where we have good long-term indications from probes with thermometers that they are heating up. If you mean Earth's heating, I suspect that it is actually cooling, based on the low sun spot count at a time when it was widely expected to be increasing toward the next maximum in about 5 years. If you mean the global warming since the Industrial Revolution, that is a tiny amount, and well within the observations of ice cores and tree rings for typical interglacial excursions from an average temperature between really cold periods. There is a lot more discussed under other headings here at the Forum regarding weather and electrodynamics and the entire global warming debate, if you are interested. Who is saying that the solar system is warming up?

1. I simply don't know. I have gotten so skeptical of the things that mainstream astronomers think up to explain the stupefying mysteries they are experiencing with the predictions or lack thereof from their current version of the Standard Model that I would probably throw out a good prediction with all the bad ones. The use of a term like "Local Fluff" for an interstellar phenomenon or entity is off-putting or misleading to say the least, and talking down to their "dumb audience" at best. People probably are imagining it as something like cotton candy, or glass wool insulation floating about in gravity's fatal attraction...

I have found the fastest way to get out of the Forum and back to the main pages of the Thunderblogs web site is to bookmark it, and then when you are finished on the Forum, click on your bookmark to see the other features at Thunderblogs home.

Dave Smith? Link back home, por favor?? This is starting to remind me of the old Saturday Night Live skit where the male protagonist starts in on Jane Curtin with, "Jane, you ignorant slut..." Well, not PC, but it was funny!

[WCSally]

3. I am not altogether sure what composes the entity referred obliquely to as the "Local Fluff" by astronomers - it might be clouds of dust (small grains) or clouds of molecules or ions or the interstellar medium - they don't want to be too precise in their wording because they are not really sure (having never sampled it) what they are observing.

You have to read Thornhill and Talbott's The Electric Universe to get comfortable with the models proposed by EU theory, sir or ma'am. Note that pulsars are explained by plasma sheath collapses, not teeny stars with 10cm thick radiating carbon atmospheres hanging on for dear life as they rotate hundreds of times per second. There are much simpler and easier to understand explanations than a neutron star, for what is likely an electrical oscillation circuit with plasma conductors.

2. I don't know that the solar system is heating up.

1. I simply don't know. I.. to explain the stupefying mysteries they are experiencing .. lack thereof from their current version of the Standard Model
The use of a term like "Local Fluff" for an interstellar phenomenon or entity is off-putting or misleading to say the least, and talking down to their "dumb audience" at best.

I have found the fastest way to get out of the Forum and back to the main pages of the Thunderblogs web site is to bookmark it, and then when you are finished on the Forum, click on your bookmark to see the other features at Thunderblogs home.

Dave Smith? Link back home, por favor?? This is starting to remind me of the old Saturday Night Live skit where the male protagonist starts in on Jane Curtin with, "Jane, you ignorant slut..." Well, not PC, but it was funny!

Well, have never watched Saturday Night Live, so I can't make that connection.

But others, yeah.

Local Fluff seems to be Hydrogen and Helium atoms from the not to distant explosions in this area, however, it is being held in a field and not leaving, (not being blown away) and it is charged ~5gauss. Likely very ionized, I guess.

My Library had this: Electric universe : the shocking true story of electricity / David Bodanis

I ordered it, but I suspect it may not be the right item! ... However, they are really good about obtaining what people ask for, so I will check the Publications page and if this is wrong, will ask them to obtain the correct one.

The collapsing plasma which makes those nifty pulsars is part of the torsion physics I am on the trail of.
I think you have it well defined ... for the little that you said, anyway. The spin, the rotation ... that is still puzzling for me, but I am pretty certain it will be part and parcel of the whole item.

Whole solar system heating:
I read it on a Space dot com or Space Weather or some "space news Item in the in-box ... maybe 2 years back. It may have come from some NASA RSS feed, .. I don't know, I was pretty conservative in those days. They only were speaking of the inner planets .. I don't think they included Pluto. I am pretty certain they got to Saturn and Jupiter. And it is general heating as to compare with rather recent stats "I would guess" .. I don't recall the particulars.

MORE:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread221608/pg1
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... rming.html
http://seoblackhat.com/2007/03/04/globa ... d-jupiter/
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/no ... upiter.htm

.s.t.u.p.e..f.y.i.n.g ~*~ m.y.s.t.e.r.i.e.s.
Really ... we are too far down the knowledge trail to be having this kind of thing in our faces ... don't you think?
Maybe it was ... "don't freak the sheeple" VS. "the sheeple have a right to understand too" .. and the outcome of the natty debate was "Local Fluff"?

Sadly:
Really it seems to me that we are entering into an age where the Ideals of Democracy are not in the eyes of the fat cats on top ... they have other pies under their eyes, and they are not born of "by and for" the people.

Sad, but I am afraid it is true. Naomi Klein's No Logo and her work on "disaster capitalism are too close to right on, and that is frightening.

I know some folks don't like the extrapolated math, but that Math is on track, the string theory math is now shown to correlate to the Electron Flow in BECs ... and that is just awesome, awesome news (if it does not go to weapons research).

They would rather just keep it all under wraps, and surprise us with it later (which has China in a very paranoid state of mind). Lasers, BECs, Anti-grav (I'd like to see it in every garage, like the jetsons, and we could kick Fossil Fuels into the recycle bin), and when we get the EM formation of BECs in home grown Crystal Lattice .. things will really start to jump forward. ...
It is really a new age ... I would like to see it under less paranoid and covetous auspices ... but maybe it will change ... I can hope it will change ... sorry to go all emo here ...

[mharratsc]

Some of the stuff you were referring to is a bit out of my information zone, but as to the 'local fluff' and what constitutes it- consider this:

With our near-sighted technology, they spotted a field of plasma outside our little space bubble. They said "Ooh! Look at the gas just floating around our bubble!" ... but they do not have eyes to see from one end of the field to the other! Could it be that they are not looking at a field, but rather at one of the 'wires' of the circuit that powers our Sun?

Consider that the two 'magnetic tornados' that power our earth are each bigger than the diameter of the planet! Based upon that alone as a reference, but also when you look at some of the more energetic 'planetary nebulae' we have images of, you can envision that what they think is a field is actually ONE large Birkeland current, made up of a helix of helium and hydrogen (just from the reference from the article) pinching down to drive our local star within it's little plasmasphere.

Possibly, if they look one direction, they won't see much of it at all, but if they look 'down the barrel' as it were, they would see it stretch quite a long ways towards the galactic architecture?

Just a thought,


Mike H.

[Zakhur]

From the posts on this thread so far, it sounds like the Sun's luminosity operates primarily as a lamp and is not the primary source of the Earth's net energy. The net energy within our planet is transferred to it by the currently dark mode birkeland line. The Sun is apparently the next to last "node" of the energy transference from the cosmos upon which we all depend.

To me, the above seems to follow from the EU theory. Do I hit near the mark?

[earls]

Nice:

Formation of a magnetized galaxy cluster.
[url2=http://www.mpa-garching.mpg.de/galform/ ... p_4_25.mov]Magnetized cluster[/url2] [quicktime, 8.1 MB, 320x240]
Credit: Klaus Dolag
Simulation code: Grape-MSPH

What we're looking for starts halfway through the video.

The "magnetic bubbles" akin to the previous water bubbles experiment, with their temperature and magnetic field distributions. Interaction by growth.

It's amazing how hot it get so fast.

[jjohnson]

It's probably no accident that this kind of research and thinking comes from the same Max Planck Institut in Garching, Germany, where Halton Arp ended up after being prevented from working in astronomy in the USA, land of the free. Very impressive simulation work. Plasma not only conducts electricity very efficiently - it is also an excellent conductor of heat due to its high electron mobility (e.g., Fundamentals of Plasma Physics, A.J. Bittencourt, Springer, 2004). I have 2 questions not explicity explained in the video, Earls: Were there any gravity forces included in the simulation, and were the magnetic fields externally applied or simply those internal fields generated due to moving charges?
I think that the "sudden" appearance of X ray radiation is a direct function of the high temperatures to which this plasma is driven - lower temperatures would result in shifting the radiation peak down into the UV range or below. In either case, there is sufficient energy in either UV or X ray radiation to strip outer electrons off, say, oxygen and other molecules and increase the ionization of the plasma filament or cloud. Thanks for this cool video.

[Osmosis]

Fermi gamma ray telescope has found a bunch of good old gamma ray lighthouses. These may be used to make a galactic GPS system. Can we get in on funding?

[The Great Dog]

The Great Dog noticed a TPOD about this today:

The Interstellar Medium

TGD

[zlee18]

NASA's "fluff" piece is short on details and seemingly minimalized. The same region of space was postulated way back in 1998 by a Russian scientist, Dr. Alexey Dmitriev:

http://www.tmgnow.com/repository/global ... sical.html

Both identify the Local Interstellar Cloud. Both identify the same consitiuents (hydrogen, helium, etc.).

I just hope the good doctor is wrong about the earth-changes...

[Pianoman]

Thanks for the link, zlee18 to Dr. Alexey Dmitriev's paper. Made interesting reading (esp the in light of NASA's fluff discovery and more recently the rapid movement of the magnetic north pole (almost 70Km a year towards Russia.)

[jjohnson]

This is an absorbing paper, with a lot of good references. I tend to be skeptical about cataclysmic predictions, but this seems better ordered than most, and incorporates observations rather than dark hypotheses. However, it was translated in 1998. I don't know if there has been an update by Dr. Dmitriev since then, but it seems pressing to incorporate the growing body of observations into his conclusions, a decade later, and get an updated version.

[junglelord]

We are surrounded by double layers.
Tesla made the observation over 100 years ago, that if the earth is a capacitor, then space must be charged.

One final note, the earth possesses a naturally existing negative charge with respect to the conducting region of the atmosphere beginning at an elevation of about 50 kilometers. The potential difference between the earth and this region is on the order of 400,000 volts. Near the earth's surface there is a ubiquitous downward directed E-field of about 100 V/m. In LIGHTNING PROTECTOR, May 6, 1916, U.S. Patent 1,266,175, May 14, 1918 Tesla referred to this charge as the “electric niveau” or electric level.

"A point of great importance would be first to know what is the capacity of the earth? and what charge does it contain if electrified? Though we have no positive evidence of a charged body existing in space without other oppositely electrified bodies being near, there is a fair probability that the earth is such a body, for by whatever process it was separated from other bodies—and this is the accepted view of its origin—it must have retained a charge, as occurs in all processes of mechanical separation. If it be a charged body insulated in space its capacity should be extremely small, less than one-thousandth of a farad. But the upper strata of the air are conducting, and so, perhaps, is the medium in free space beyond the atmosphere, and these may contain an opposite charge. Then the capacity might be incomparably greater. In any case it is of the greatest importance to get an idea of what quantity of electricity the earth contains. It is difficult to say whether we shall ever acquire this necessary knowledge, but there is hope that we may, and that is, by means of electrical resonance. If ever we can ascertain at what period the earth's charge, when disturbed, oscillates with respect to an oppositely electrified system or known circuit, we shall know a fact possibly of the greatest importance to the welfare of the human race. I propose to seek for the period by means of an electrical oscillator, or a source of alternating electric currents. . . ." [“On Light and Other High Frequency Phenomena,” Franklin Institute, Philadelphia, February 1893, and National Electric Light Association, St. Louis, March 1893.]

[solrey]

Magnetic Portals Connect Sun and Earth

During the time it takes you to read this article, something will happen high overhead that until recently many scientists didn't believe in. A magnetic portal will open, linking Earth to the sun 93 million miles away. Tons of high-energy particles may flow through the opening before it closes again, around the time you reach the end of the page.

"It's called a flux transfer event or 'FTE,'" says space physicist David Sibeck of the Goddard Space Flight Center. "Ten years ago I was pretty sure they didn't exist, but now the evidence is incontrovertible."

"Tons of high energy particles flow through before it "closes" again"... then flows again, then closes again, etc... in a relatively steady cycle. Sounds like a capacitor to me.
Didn't Tesla say something like it would take at least a hundred years for everyone else to catch up with his ideas?

[solrey]

The capacitor effect should happen across the heliosheath DL as well, on like an eleven year cycle or something.