Dark matter equations?

[JohnMT]

Hi all,

I once asked a question to a certain physicist as to why the electric force does not enter into the "equations" of supposed dark matter etc.

The reply:
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"Hi John,

"the reason that plasma and the extremely powerful electric force dont enter into the equations is because of teh nature of electrical screening. The force between two electric charges is much larger than that between two gravitational charges, but electric charges come in two kinds positive and negative. Due to the free monopolar nature of these charges, they can move about to screen any electric field.

"Now any student of Electromagnetism knows that electric fields cannot penetrate a conductor, since the free charge at the surface of the conductor will move to screen the electric field (I.e. Thomas Fermi Screening). As any plasma physicist will tell you, plasmas are great conductors, and so any electric field will be completely screened over a distance that depends upon the charge density of the plasma (Debye screening). Thus, electric fields are not important over the large scale structure of the space.

"This is why the electric force is not considered in these calculations, since the effective distance that it acts over is small in comparison to the scale of interstellar and galactic phenomena.

"As for consolidated proof, of the existence of dark matter or black holes. The answer is no, not yet. For black holes, we do have plenty of indirect evidence, though there are a few observational projects that have been suggested that may allow for the direct imaging of a black hole at the centre of one or two galaxies.
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I would like to know your thoughts.

Cheers,

John

[redeye]

"Now any student of Electromagnetism knows that electric fields cannot penetrate a conductor, since the free charge at the surface of the conductor will move to screen the electric field (I.e. Thomas Fermi Screening). As any plasma physicist will tell you, plasmas are great conductors, and so any electric field will be completely screened over a distance that depends upon the charge density of the plasma (Debye screening). Thus, electric fields are not important over the large scale structure of the space.

Any student of electromagnetism knows that magnetic fields are a product of electric currents and also knows that the actual physical Universe we observe is dominated by magnetic fields and plasma. We infer electric currents where mainstream cosmologists infer dark matter/energy and black holes.

I've said, in the past, we live a the bottom of a fairly steep gravity well that influences all of our physical behaviours and we are dependent on sight more than all our other senses. Therefore our scientific theories are heavily dependent of gravity and light. I also feel that our exploration of the Universe is similarly effected by the fact that all our measurements take place within the plasma sheath (debeye sheath) of the Sun and bear no relation to the rest of the Universe, a sort of debeye screening of our scientific theories.

Cheers!

[junglelord]

Electric Screening??????

OMG....thats even less ingenuous then the reason given by Professor Lewin of MIT on his On Line EM lecture series.
http://web.mit.edu/smcs/8.02/
Just watch the first hour....right at the end of the first hour of lecture number one, he states, that dispite total logical conclusions based on all the information given in the very first hour of the EM lectures, that EM does not dominate space, but gravity does....so dispite all common logic, we should instead take it for "granted" that there is no electricity in space to control any event.....dispite the fact plasma is electric....just like that "black hole" disguised as a brilliant bright white plasmoid at the center of the galaxy known as SagA.....

Do not believe your eyes, let your mind be washed clean and just "imagine" that black hole, just "imagine" the electric screening that cancels any charge effects in space..."just imagine" a universe that has no laws like those on earth, as "explained" by professor Lewin...just imagine a universe that is devoid of charge, dispite the fact everything is charge...just imagine dispite the fact that the universe is 99% plasma and charged hydrogen yet dispite the electric screening the plasma"magically" glows to the point of making X Rays and Gamma Rays from the often talked about black hole disguised as a blazing plasmoid.....meanwhile the nuclear oven that is cool on the surface and blazing millions of miles away from the oven...like no other oven on earth....are you buying that oven theory?

Hopefully your brain is washed clean enough at this point that I can sell you dark matter, dark energy and snake oil...or any other lie I choose to create. Everything is opposite of what they tell you....everything.

They observe the universe in EM spectrum....they use electronic devices to do this for the most part.
The idea that only electricity occurs on earth is absurd, yet they cannot even explain how lightning forms, neither can they understand how the charge of space makes lightning on earth, so they constantly deny the TRUTH.

We are surrounded by the ovbious, yet we believe the unbelieveable...it is a dark matter indeed.

[GaryN]

JL said:

Everything is opposite of what they tell you....everything.

So you believe that the Sun creates hydrogen, rather than consumes it?

We are surrounded by the ovbious, yet we believe the unbelieveable...it is a dark matter indeed.

[tayga]

I'd ask the Physics Prof where all the magnetic fields come from that are observed in space. If anyone is to ignore the real world association of magnetic fields with electric fields they invoke 'frozen-in' magnetic fields and plasma as a perfect conductor. At this point you can be pretty sure they don't know anything about electromagnetism and you can ignore them and get on with the rest of your life.

[junglelord]

Must be the electric screening that causes all the frozen magnetic fields....
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

[Pianoman]

JungleLord - You make a simple point very well. Nobody expect the current mainstream mathematical cosmologist would believe that an object that prevents even light from escaping could be the source of glaxactic centres. As one child pointed out to me recently "why are the centres so bright if light can't escape?"

Needless to say I had no answer that could explain this obvious point without resorting to a theory that so damn opposite to what we see i.e. the singularity.

We have been led by the blind (mathematicians) into believing the nothing (black holes)

[junglelord]

Thankyou from a mind that was blinded by all that classical mess for many years.

[JohnMT]

Thanks guys for your input.

Much appreciated.

John

[mharratsc]

Electric Screening??????

OMG....thats even less ingenuous then the reason given by Professor Lewin of MIT on his On Line EM lecture series.
http://web.mit.edu/smcs/8.02/
Just watch the first hour....right at the end of the first hour of lecture number one, he states, that dispite total logical conclusions based on all the information given in the very first hour of the EM lectures, that EM does not dominate space, but gravity does....so dispite all common logic, we should instead take it for "granted" that there is no electricity in space to control any event.....dispite the fact plasma is electric....just like that "black hole" disguised as a brilliant bright white plasmoid at the center of the galaxy known as SagA.....

Do not believe your eyes, let your mind be washed clean and just "imagine" that black hole, just "imagine" the electric screening that cancels any charge effects in space..."just imagine" a universe that has no laws like those on earth, as "explained" by professor Lewin...just imagine a universe that is devoid of charge, dispite the fact everything is charge...just imagine dispite the fact that the universe is 99% plasma and charged hydrogen yet dispite the electric screening the plasma"magically" glows to the point of making X Rays and Gamma Rays from the often talked about black hole disguised as a blazing plasmoid.....meanwhile the nuclear oven that is cool on the surface and blazing millions of miles away from the oven...like no other oven on earth....are you buying that oven theory?

Hopefully your brain is washed clean enough at this point that I can sell you dark matter, dark energy and snake oil...or any other lie I choose to create. Everything is opposite of what they tell you....everything.

They observe the universe in EM spectrum....they use electronic devices to do this for the most part.
The idea that only electricity occurs on earth is absurd, yet they cannot even explain how lightning forms, neither can they understand how the charge of space makes lightning on earth, so they constantly deny the TRUTH.

We are surrounded by the ovbious, yet we believe the unbelieveable...it is a dark matter indeed.

That was prose bordering on poetry, JL- about as well-said as I could envision it!

JungleLord - You make a simple point very well. Nobody expect the current mainstream mathematical cosmologist would believe that an object that prevents even light from escaping could be the source of glaxactic centres. As one child pointed out to me recently "why are the centres so bright if light can't escape?"

Needless to say I had no answer that could explain this obvious point without resorting to a theory that so damn opposite to what we see i.e. the singularity.

We have been led by the blind (mathematicians) into believing the nothing (black holes)

The moment I laid eyes on the close-up's of Sag A, the same thing ran through my mind as what the kid asked you, Pianoman. From that moment, I was a disbeliever- and that was before I found the EU!

By the way- welcome to all the new readers! It's really good to see new people showing up and adding to the momentum of the Electric Universe!


Mike H.