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'Electroweak' Stars Proposed

Post by flyingcloud » Tue Dec 15, 2009 5:46 am

Theorists Propose a New Way to Shine And a New Kind of Star: 'Electroweak'

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 131132.htm

ScienceDaily (Dec. 15, 2009) — Dying, for stars, has just gotten more complicated.

For some stellar objects, the final phase before or instead of collapsing into a black hole may be what a group of physicists is calling an electroweak star.

Glenn Starkman, a professor of physics at Case Western Reserve University, together with former graduate students and post-docs De-Chang Dai and Dejan Stojkovic, now at the State University of New York in Buffalo, and Arthur Lue, at MIT's Lincoln Lab, offer a description of the structure of an electroweak star in a paper submitted to Physical Review Letters.

Ordinary stars are powered by the fusion of light nuclei into heavier ones -- such as hydrogen into helium in the center of our sun. Electroweak stars, they theorize, would be powered by the total conversion of quarks -- the particles that make up the proton and neutron building blocks of those nuclei -- into much lighter particles called leptons. These leptons include electrons, but especially elusive -- and nearly massless -- neutrinos.

"This is a process predicted by the well-tested Standard Model of particle physics," Starkman said. At ordinary temperatures it is so incredibly rare that it probably hasn't happened within the visible universe anytime in the last 10 billion years, except perhaps in the core of these electroweak stars and in the laboratories of some advanced alien civilizations, he said.

In their dying days, stars smaller than 2.1 times our sun's mass die and collapse into neutron stars -- objects dense enough that the neutrons and protons push against each other. More massive stars are thought to head toward collapse into a black hole. But at the extreme temperatures and densities that might be reached when a star begins to collapse into a black hole, electroweak conversion of quarks into leptons should proceed at a rapid rate, the scientists say.

The energy generated could halt the collapse, much as the energy generated by nuclear fusion prevents ordinary stars like the Sun from collapsing. In other words, an electroweak star is the possible next step before total collapse into a black hole. If the electroweak burning is efficient, it could consume enough mass to prevent what's left from ever becoming a black hole.

Most of the energy eventually emitted from electroweak stars is in the form of neutrinos, which are hard to detect. A small fraction comes out as light and this is where the electroweak star's signature will likely be found, Starkman, said. But, "To understand that small fraction, we have to understand the star better than we do."

And until they do, it's hard to know how we can tell electroweak stars from other stars.

There's time, however, to learn. The theorists have calculated that this phase of a star's life can last more than 10 million years -- a long time for us, though just an instant in the life of a star.

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Re: 'Electroweak' Stars Proposed

Post by jjohnson » Tue Dec 15, 2009 10:17 am

But, "To understand that small fraction, we have to understand the star better than we do."
Baby steps, guys. You already don't understand the big steps: real distances to far distant stars and galaxies; why the universe is filamentary; inclusion of electromagnetic dynamics into astrophysics; why galaxies rotate the way they do; how stars and planetary systems initially form; what for sure powers stars and why some wander all about the H/R diagram;and whether or not there was a starter's gun about 15BY ago...

The single operative phrase in the story on the electro-weak star conceptualization is, "we have to understand the star better than we do." No duh. Learn the stars; learn the universe.

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Re: 'Electroweak' Stars Proposed

Post by tayga » Thu Dec 17, 2009 7:56 am

flyingcloud wrote: "This is a process predicted by the well-tested Standard Model of particle physics"
Well-tested? Really?
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Re: 'Electroweak' Stars Proposed

Post by mharratsc » Wed Dec 23, 2009 11:27 pm

This is a process predicted by the well-tested Standard Model of particle physics," Starkman said. At ordinary temperatures it is so incredibly rare that it probably hasn't happened within the visible universe anytime in the last 10 billion years, except perhaps in the core of these electroweak stars and in the laboratories of some advanced alien civilizations, he said.
I've said this before, and I'll probably end up having to say it again:

It doesn't matter how rediculous a theory is- as long as it follows the basic tenets of the Faith, you may publish your hare-brained ideas. If you propose anything close to real physics, and most especially anything from an Electric Universe perspective, you SHALL be smited by Censure for your heresy!

I don't know which was worse, truthfully- this Star Trek-fanboy reference to alien civilizations, or the article about how it was the Future's fault that they can't get the LHC up and running... >.<

The Masses are choosing enlightenment over ignorance, and those who feed off of the ignorance are becoming uneasy about the slow loss of their foodstock... their tales of Einsteinian magic are getting more desperate, if you ask me.

I predict that this new generation will be dubbed 'Gen I', for 'Generation Involved'. No longer content to sit back and watch the world unfold, they are reaching out to be involved in the politics of climate change and world finance, and slowly I think, they will become increasingly aware of how they have been duped by those at the helm of the scientific communities as well. The efforts of Talbott, Thornhill, and those that followed after are slowly paying off, and it seems that more and more turn their attention to the infallible logic of EU theory.

I was perusing the News section of http://www.focusfusion.org today, and despite some monetary and manpower hurdles it seems they are making steady progress towards a working test model of their focus fusion reactor. Once that bugger goes live and is independently assessed to be generating power working on the same principle as their electrical stellar counterparts, you will see some serious attention devoted to the EU.

That is a prediction I have absolutely no qualms about making publicly!


Mike H.

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