Comets Collide with the Sun?

[Influx]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rU6uiFTf ... annel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX_FE6hOaqk

http://nz.video.yahoo.com/watch/8875/779640

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/n ... 30218.html

http://www.cometography.com/lcomets/1979q1.html

http://www.lmsal.com/solarsoft/lasco/LA ... 523_j.html

The first u tube video, comets definitely trigger CMEs, whoa, especially the last one that drifts by like a car on ice lol!?

The last video is not clear if the comet hits the sun or grazes it. Also there seems to be a small CME, or most likely the plasmas from the comets!?

[flyingcloud]

wow, what was the frame 16 ripple/shockwave?

it looks like the coma continues as if it was a grazing yet nothing visibly emerges from the other side

[Influx]

Hmm, magneto-optical effect in the corona? Shock waves in the plasma? Or camera artifact?

[Peron]

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The first u tube video, comets definitely trigger CMEs, whoa, especially the last one that drifts by like a car on ice lol!?

The last video is not clear if the comet hits the sun or grazes it. Also there seems to be a small CME, or most likely the plasmas from the comets!?

I think more evidence would have to be gathered to make such a conclusion.

[Vek]

http://spaceweather.com./

SUNGRAZING COMET ALERT:

A comet just discovered by NASA's STEREO-A spacecraft is plunging toward the sun. The Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO) has an excellent view of the ongoing encounter.
Will the icy visitor survive? The drama will play itself out in the hours ahead.

Place your bets for CME.

[solrey]

I'm betting on a weak CME occurring in about 36 hours.

[The Great Dog]

The Great Dog remembers something about this:

Sungrazers

TGD

[Vek]

I posted on this subject on another forum on Jun 03, 2009 using these links...

http://umbra.nascom.nasa.gov/comets/SOH ... azers.html

On Tuesday, 1998 June 2, telescopes on board the SOHO spacecraft viewed two sungrazing comets following similar but not identical orbits, and entering the tenuous outer atmosphere of the Sun --- the solar corona --- never to reappear on the other side of the Sun.
In a spectacular coincidence, a coronal mass ejection (CME) accompanied by an erupting prominence occurred on the southwest limb of the Sun within hours after the destruction of the comets. The CME and prominence were probably unrelated to the comets

Since then, the same page seems to have been edited to remove the statements that the events were unrelated.
It now states...

On Tuesday, 1998 June 2, telescopes on board the SOHO spacecraft viewed two sungrazing comets following similar but not identical orbits, and entering the tenuous outer atmosphere of the Sun --- the solar corona --- never to reappear on the other side of the Sun.
Shortly after the comets disappeared behind the occulting disks of the LASCO C1 and C2 coronagraphs, a bright coronal mass ejection (CME) with an enormous erupting prominence appeared on the southwest (lower right) limb of the Sun. (East and West are reversed in heliographic coordinates to match the compass directions for an earthbound observer.) The prominence eruption is visible in the SOHO EIT images.

Also these...

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/n ... 30218.html

February 2003
The SOHO spacecraft is currently generating spectacular images of a recently found comet called NEAT as the icy body circles the Sun and appears to have been struck by a massive solar eruption.
A solar eruption, called a coronal mass ejection (CME), appears to have hit the comet Monday, Brekke said. Scientists think they observed a kink propagating down the comet's ion tail.

and

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2007/01oct_encke.htm

April 20, 2007
the comet had just dipped inside the orbit of Mercury, perilously close to the sun, when a solar eruption struck and literally tore the comet's tail off.
"We were speechless when we saw this," says Angelos Vourlidas of the Naval Research Lab in Washington, D.C. "I kept playing the movie over and over."
Encke may not know what hit it, but NASA scientists soon will.

Here, words like "magnetic reconnection" seem to have Magically appeared to replace what used to read as " Spectacular coincidences"

Methinks they're replacing their tatty bandages as they go and hoping no one will notice.

[Siggy_G]

Check. this. out.

http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/LAT ... ent_c3.mpg

Recent capture.

If the above link doesn't work, try this:

http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime/mpeg/

[RayTomes]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rU6uiFTf ... annel_page
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The first u tube video, comets definitely trigger CMEs, whoa, especially the last one that drifts by like a car on ice lol!?

The last video is not clear if the comet hits the sun or grazes it. Also there seems to be a small CME, or most likely the plasmas from the comets!?

The last one definitely missed the Sun but still got a response from it. Great stuff!

I can remember as a kid about 48 years ago going to a lecture about these "Sun grazing" comets. The guy said that the comets were being ejected from the Sun. As a 14 year old I said that if they were ejected then they would crash back into the Sun one orbit later as the orbit goes below the sun's surface, and the lecturer treated me as a smart alec kid and tried to say that was wrong. But one senior astronomer got up and said that I was right.

If we apply the same logic here, then the ones crashing must have come out of the Sun or be in hyperbolic orbits. I wonder which? Of course comets are small enough to be subject to non-gravitational forces so my argument from 46 years ago may be slightly wrong.

Fascinating!

[Anaconda]

If a comet is a non-electrical "dirty snowball" then how would a comet trigger a coronal mass ejection?

There simply are too many CME's reaching out to touch Sun grazing comets to be just a coincidence.

This is good stuff.

Observation & measurement that has to have an answer from "dirty snowball" proponents or their hypothesis is falsified.

By the way, if a comet post, article, or what not comes up on another site -- this is a good line of evidence to present

[RayTomes]

If a comet is a non-electrical "dirty snowball" then how would a comet trigger a coronal mass ejection?
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Well, the comet is still an object in an area that is usually full of very fast moving plasma following magnetic field lines or something - so it is almost bound to disrupt the normal processes.

[mharratsc]

I find it hilarious that the one NASA 'observer' (I can't... just can't call him a 'researcher') stated that the CME reached out and "ripped the comet's tail off"!

CME's in response to a cometary fly-by would be a charge equalization event- the comet is highly negatively charged from coming in from the outer system area. Long range attractive force-short range repulsive force brings the comet in towards the Sun, and positive ions flow from the Sun and attempt to equalize charge before inertia carries the comet past the Sun and breaks the tenuous (by solar standards) plasma bridge that develops between the Sun and the comet. If the comet came very close in to the Sun, and lost it's tail... most likely that means it probably has become very close to charge-equal with the Sun, wouldn't you think? No further electrical 'machining' of the surface is throwing out particles in a visible tail at that point.

For a comet to get pulled into the Sun, I would surmise that if a comet made a few passes past the Sun, had equalized it's charge with old Sol, and now is no longer being governed by EM forces. If so, then the only forces that would remain at work on the body would be gravity and inertia. Once gravity overcame the inertial moment (the Sun IS still a big boy) it would pull it right on in for a splashdown.

At least- this is the way the logic presents itself to me, at least. However, I will issue my standard disclaimer that I'm by no means a scientist, and I could be way off base with things...


Mike H.

[Anaconda]

Hi Ray:

RayTomes wrote:
Well, the comet is still an object in an area that is usually full of very fast moving plasma following magnetic field lines or something - so it is almost bound to disrupt the normal processes.

That's a pretty vague response in defense of the "dirty snowball" hypothesis.

But I want to add that your participation in the forum is welcome

I've briefly reviewed your website and your interest in cycles and might I add patterns is well taken.

The Electric Universe is full of cycles and patterns that are verified by observation & measurement.

[Influx]

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap100104.html

Comet Halley's Nucleus: An Orbiting Iceberg.

Ok so NASA says. But is there any spectral data or composition info of the comets tail? What is the comets tail composition? What percentage is water ice?

If any one has info please post! If EU is correct, that picture could be of EDM discharge on the surface of the comet! Plasma around the comet?

To be fair, here is one that didn't do anything, it just short of faded away.

http://www.spaceweather.com/images2010/ ... 4k15iv60m2

However if NASA has spectral data on the composition of the comets coma as being mostly water ice and dust, that would be pretty strong evidence against EU.