Higgsy wrote:I understand. You have no evidence for your inflated claim that the haloes are "way over budget". No need to squirm any more. We understand you've been exaggerating.
That's amusing. As I mentioned originally, the evidence can be subjectively interpreted of course, but if one is trying to be at all "conservative" as it relates to empirical physics, you're already way over budget. The missing baryon problem was about half of the matter back in 2006, and there *easily* could be more matter found than half in just those two halos, and that's not even counting all the stellar miscounting that went on in that infamous 2006 lensing study, or all the satellite galaxies we've found around our own galaxy since 2006.
The key word in my statement above is "if". That is yet to be demonstrated.
Actually it has been demonstrated unless you think there's some magical (and unexplained) delineation at some unique point in the galaxy. Since every star emits solar wind particles, it's pretty darn obvious that the whole galaxy of stars are simply embedded inside of a full halo, without a big doughnut hole in the middle.
Inside the starry region of our galaxy the ISM is well characterised
It may be "well characterized', but you really don't know because we haven't actually been there to directly measure it. Since all stars shed plasma, your assumptions don't make much sense.
and there is no suggestion in the halo detection that additional matter has been detected inside the galaxy.
Not only does the solar wind argument blow you away, we keep finding satellite galaxies galore. You're definitely over budget.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite ... _Milky_Way
Take a gander down the "discovered" column and notice how many satellite galaxies we've found around our own galaxy since 2006. Look how many we've found in just the last few years? Give me a break. That's all *on top* of the halos.
It's your speculation that it is so, but that is not supported by empirical physics.
Horse-pucky. Every star emits tons of material that heads out toward the ISM every single day. How does all that plasma instantly transport itself outside of the stellar region when it hits the heliosphere? It not only makes sense that the halo extends all the way to the core, it's almost certain the halo extends into the core based on pure empirical physics.
You can't even explain how the solar wind particles don't form a "halo' inside the stellar regions.
So you are projecting what you'd like to see on what has been detected.
LOL! I'm not 'projecting what I'd like to see' I'm using your own mathematical models, as well as the laws of physics. Unless you can explain how solar wind particles don't make up a halo inside the stellar regions, I'm going to assume that it's you doing the "projecting" of what you want (exotic matter) and ignoring the real evidence.
Ah yes, you're assuming that what you want to be, is. It doesn't work like that.
No, I'm using your mathematical models and logic. It could work like that and it mathematically *must* work like that. Lets hear you explain how solar wind doesn't make up a halo inside the stellar regions? I don't see huge mass flows pouring *into* our sun, but I do see huge mass flows moving away from our sun. Where does all that mass go once it hits the heliosphere? Your beliefs don't even make sense logically, or mathematically.
Make your mind up. Your latter statement more closely comports with the evidence.
I simply haven't seen any evidence of it yet, but I have a hard time believing we've actually found all the mass inside our own galaxy yet. New satellite galaxies are found on a regular basis in fact.
"The mass of the electron current?" What are you bleating about? What electron current and where has it been detected, and how could it possibly be separate from ions (or have significant mass)?
That would be the current that heats and that sustains that "hot" plasma halo at those "hot" temperatures.
I'm not sure the electron mass is really all that significant in terms of the total mass, but it's another example of where your models are "missing mass" by virtue of their lack of any inclusion of electric fields into your theories.
I'm just looking for an answer to a simple question.
I gave you my answer several times, but you just didn't like it. You expected/wanted me to "assume' that the halo begins somewhere *outside* of the stellar region, but I don't make that assumption.
If you don't want to answer it fine.
If you don't want to listen to my answer, that's fine too, but stop asking me the same question over and over and over again if you aren't going to listen to or respond to my actual answer.
Well, let me teach you
You can't "teach" me anything without even citing published papers to support your claims or explaining where you think solar wind goes when it hits the heliosphere. You sound like a parrot that only knows how to regurgitate mainstream dogma, and who can't think for themselves.
that all the matter discovered in these haloes around the galaxy (what has been detected, not your fantasy or assumption or fairytale about what you think ought to have been detected) has zero effect on the rotation curves of the galaxy. Zero.
You're the one peddling fairytales about mythical forms of invisible matter and energy, and dead inflation genies, not me. I'm sticking with pure empirical physics. I'm simply using your models and common sense. You're probably going to run from my question yet again, but where do you think all that solar wind goes when it hits the heliosphere? Does it get magically beamed out into distant parts of the halo the moment it reaches the heliosphere, or does it end up between the stars?