About Charged Planets

[Bomb20]

I am wondering about some details of the Electric Universe which I could not find until now.

Wal notes here:
https://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2004 ... arring.htm

Charged bodies within a plasma develop insulating “sheaths” or plasma cells around them. In space, we call these sheaths “magnetospheres”. So long as charged planets remain outside each other’s plasma sheaths they will stay electrically "invisible" to each other. But two planets in close approach, moving deeply into each other’s sheaths, will cause the electrical insulation to break down, and the resulting arcing will leave surface features that can only be obvious once the question is raised.

I have no doubts about the electrical scaring of planets and moons. However, I am missing some explanations until now, e.g.:
1. Why are planets and moons charged bodies? What mechanism is giving them a charge?

2. In the EU the Sun is an Anode and planets, moons etc. are all negatively charged objects, right?

3. Can we assume that this was the same in the “chaos period” of planetary upheaval? Or did some planetary objects carry positive and others negative charge?

4. In fact the whole matter seems to be more complicated! Earth is negatively charged on its surface (what about the core?) but we have an ionosphere (positive) and other plasma layers. What’s a matter with the Van Allan belts and the newly discovered protective sharp-edged zone between both Van Allan belts, or the temporarily existing third Van Allan belt?
Finally, what happens in (more) detail if the plasma sheath’s of different celestial objects ram into each other?

Every hint and comment is welcome!

[scowie]

I'm not sure there is one correct or official answer to your questions. There may be as many ideas as there are EU advocates. I will give a stab at your questions but keep in mind I am expressing my own views rather than anything official (if there is such a thing)

1. I would guess that ionizing radiation may have something to do with it; it causes matter to eject electrons and become electron deficient and positively charged. That together with the [presumed] fact that there is no source of electrons to equalize charge with again as the solar wind itself is electron-deficient and a heavenly body can't just take the electrons from it as they are just coming along for a ride with the positive ions (not being bound to an atom does not mean the electrons get to move independently as if the positive ions were not there).

2. I don't think so (and I personally don't think that). I reckon all heavenly bodies made out of matter (rather than antimatter), have a net positive charge, i.e. they are anodes, hence they electrostatically repel each other to some degree (obviously to a lesser degree than they attract each other gravitationally). I wrote a post about this topic here that may be of interest: http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpB ... =3&t=15412

4: Not sure I can offer any enlightenment there other than to say, yup, it's complicated.
Some other guys here may be able to offer some elucidation on this.

[Bomb20]

Thank you very much! I am going to explore your thread in depth in the next days. And indeed, ionizing radition could play an important role. I am also afraid that we must understand our sun better (anode, cathode, plasmoid etc.) before we can make more reasonable conclusions about planets and moons.

[Webbman]

the earth is a magnet. A dipole magnet. no one can deny this.

since were moving through the suns magnetic field and also solar "wind" you can also draw the conclusion that our magnet is disturbing both of these things in some way as we are being disturbed as well.

my speculation is that we help provide current balancing or stabilization for the sun as do all the planets in some capacity. Thus we can both accept (battery) and transmit (generator) current as required by the sun. Positive and negative do not really describe the function properly as we have both within our system

[comingfrom]

I also stopped thinking of charge in terms of positive and negative.
Charge moves both electrons and protons, and even neutral dust and rock, if we take craters and chasms to be the effects from interplanetary discharges.

Like two batteries, one flatter [holding less charge] than the other, the charge will equalize when they are connected together.

So I imagine a close contact of Earth and Mars. Both are holding a similar charge, yet one will still have a greater amount of charge than the other. When their sheaths connect, and the insulating double layers break, charge will rush from one body to the other in attempt to equalize. Though the charge difference may not be all that great, but when you are talking about the quantities of charge held by planetary bodies, it would still amount to very large amperage discharges.

As to what charges the planets; charge is everywhere. The Sun acts as a transistor, collecting charge from the galactic currents, and the Sun charges the planets. In the poles and out the equators, which forms the sheaths.

Like others here, I am offering my own personal conclusions, which are still developing.
This topic is of great interest to me, and I'm loving reading others' explanations.
Thanks.
~Paul

[toni]

If I may add a few things here:
Earth is not a magnet! Earth is space between two magnets. If we examine the magnets we will notice that the equator on the magnets is dead. It's a dividing equator. If we look into the earth for example, energy comes through the poles and comes out through the equator, as Paul stated. That energy can become our moons in which case Saturn could be the best example. We can conclude that this equator is alive and totally opposite of a magnet equator. Nothing in space is negatively charged. It would be the same as we would say - adding by subtracting or silent sound. Space is divided into a red and blue spectrum, meaning, female and male energies. One is centripetal and the other is centrifugal. Electricity is using only those two pressures to create matter.
Many readers in the forum noticed that well known names were very incorrect with their observations. Einstein noticed some of his own mistakes and tried to correct them but it wasn't allowed. Now, to correct everything at once, will not be an easy task to create something new with the information that was given to us. I hope that I have shed some light on the matter.
Regards,
Toni

[Bomb20]

Thank you very much for your input, Webbmann, Paul and Toni!

I was busy with preparations for my journey to EU2016 tomorrow. So, please, excuse that I did not deal with my own thread in the last two weeks.

I hope to re-animate this topic with new ideas from the conference. Hope you are going to Phoenix like me!

[willendure]

I also stopped thinking of charge in terms of positive and negative.
Charge moves both electrons and protons, and even neutral dust and rock, if we take craters and chasms to be the effects from interplanetary discharges.

Like two batteries, one flatter [holding less charge] than the other, the charge will equalize when they are connected together.

So I imagine a close contact of Earth and Mars. Both are holding a similar charge, yet one will still have a greater amount of charge than the other. When their sheaths connect, and the insulating double layers break, charge will rush from one body to the other in attempt to equalize. Though the charge difference may not be all that great, but when you are talking about the quantities of charge held by planetary bodies, it would still amount to very large amperage discharges.

What if I take one big battery, maybe a car battery @60Ah, and one small battery, maybe a small lead acid leisure batery @6Ah. Both are charged to have the same voltage, lets say 11.5V. When I connect them together, no current flows, one does not charge the other. The bigger battery has much more charge than the smaller one.

Sorry, there has to be a difference in potential (EMF) for current to flow.

[comingfrom]

Thank you, Willendure.

Sorry, there has to be a difference in potential (EMF) for current to flow.

As I was saying, the potential difference might be small, but with batteries the size of planets, that is still going to make a large [to us] current.

~Paul

[willendure]

Thank you, Willendure.

Sorry, there has to be a difference in potential (EMF) for current to flow.

As I was saying, the potential difference might be small, but with batteries the size of planets, that is still going to make a large [to us] current.

~Paul

Well, yes, the planets may have very large capacity to source or sink charge, so I guess I agree.

I should also add, I'm not so sure now a current does need an EMF to flow in space, as a vacuum is not a conductor so does not obey the same rules as electricity in a wire. I think once charge gets moving in a vacuum, it can continue unimpeded with a voltage to carry it along no?

[toni]

Something doesn't sound correct here.
Potential is just potential. It does not make anything move. But, pressure does. Voltage is pressure. Create a difference in pressure and you have movement.
Space is very low potential. Planets are very high potential. The only difference is in volume. There is not one amp difference between them. Electricity creates waves. Waves have 2 fields: one creates pressure, one creates a vacuum. This is how form becomes visible to us.
Looking into the atom we have the assumption that when we add or deduct one atom we can change matter. It is totally incorrect. You don't change the tree by adding or subtracting one leaf. When we change the pressure and frequency everything changes. We have a table of elements which go through octave pressures. By the 9th octave pressures are in the billions but we are still using the old concept when we look at the atom. Why?

Regards,
Toni

[comingfrom]

Willendure

I should also add, I'm not so sure now a current does need an EMF to flow in space, as a vacuum is not a conductor so does not obey the same rules as electricity in a wire. I think once charge gets moving in a vacuum, it can continue unimpeded with a voltage to carry it along no?

I think there is always an inductive force, created by potential difference,
but I am still not clear on the theory.

When you put your finger on the plasma ball, you create a charge difference at that point,
which causes the current to flow there.
So there is a potential difference somewhere that controls where the currents go.

Rather than attribute conductance to space, I think of it has having no resistance.

~~~
Toni

Something doesn't sound correct here.
Potential is just potential. It does not make anything move. But, pressure does. Voltage is pressure. Create a difference in pressure and you have movement.

I hear you.
But explain for me if you can, how the finger on the plasma ball is creating a pressure, or low pressure,
which ever the case may be.

And the pressure between the terminals of a battery.

Space is very low potential. Planets are very high potential. The only difference is in volume. There is not one amp difference between them. Electricity creates waves.

Yet the currents will flow from Sun to planet in preference of open space.

Solar wind is dragged into earth in filaments,
but by the way NASA speaks of magnetic ropes in space,
I got the picture that the planets are also attached to the Sun with permanent, or maybe semi permanent, currents.

Like tendrils in a plasma ball following a moving finger.

Waves have 2 fields: one creates pressure, one creates a vacuum. This is how form becomes visible to us.
Looking into the atom we have the assumption that when we add or deduct one atom we can change matter. It is totally incorrect. You don't change the tree by adding or subtracting one leaf. When we change the pressure and frequency everything changes. We have a table of elements which go through octave pressures. By the 9th octave pressures are in the billions but we are still using the old concept when we look at the atom. Why?

I think you're jumping off topic here,
and that question might be better asked in the New Insights and Mad Ideas forum.

~Paul

[toni]

Hi Paul,

A finger is electricity in motion just like everything else we see and it is going to affect everything around it, especially plasma, where everything is quite free.
In a battery we created potential with 2 conditions: compression and expansion. By opening the external valve, we can use the difference in those 2 pressures as long as that potential allows us.
My understanding is - nothing leaves the sun except infrared or ultraviolet waves or we call it electromagnetic waves. Our assumption is that the sun emits light waves and they travel at a certain speed. Light does not travel at any speed. Light waves produce themselves at the rate that is known to us. Definitely there are disturbances with different conditions, the same as with the storms on the earth.
When waves get close to the planets they are affected by atmospheric pressures, something like if you put a stick into the water, it would look warped and they start to compress toward the planet. Compression generates and generation creates heat. This is why we think we are receiving the sun's heat. We can note that after all those billions of years, heat and light were traveling through space. Space is just as dark as ever and absolute zero is always the same.
We know that nature has only one law - for micro and macro and once we start to understand either one, our ignorance disappears. I hope that this is enough for now.

Regards,
Toni

[comingfrom]

Thank you, Toni.

Lets see.
Fingers are electricity, just like everything else.
Batteries are compressing and expanding potential, and have external valves we can open.
In your understanding the Sun emits no Solar wind, nor visible light.
Light doesn't travel at any speed, yet reaches the planets.
Light produces itself.
Light reaching a planet is like putting a stick in water.
We think we are receiving the Sun's heat.

Yes, that was enough for me, for now.
Thanks again
~Paul