Mathematical model for the electric universe

[Webbman]

in order for a giant machine to work efficiently for a long time it must be made simple with the least amount of parts possible with an endless supply of raw material.

I have 1 part. They have 61. Certainly they will have 66 at some point.

Godspeed.

[comingfrom]

In order for a giant machine to be as complex and as variable as the observed Universe....

Every observed object is unique.
No two creatures are the same. Not organisms, not planets, not stars, not galaxies.
What if the same is true at the subatomic level too, and no two parts of the Universe are precisely the same.

Love.

[Frantic]

in order for a giant machine to work efficiently for a long time it must be made simple with the least amount of parts possible with an endless supply of raw material.

I have 1 part. They have 61. Certainly they will have 66 at some point.

Godspeed.

You don't have 1 part, you still have an infinite # of parts, you just re-classified the entirety of particle physics into one category on seemingly no experimental evidence, and for seemingly no functional reason to do so.

[Webbman]

no its just one part but the arrangement is infinite.

It is true though that I have no experimental evidence. Just the observation of rings, strands and twisting that has seemingly gone unnoticed.

[seasmith]

Dr Hunt,
Don't know if Anyone can have a model of the universe, but if you are looking for most probably the best math of elemental electricity, integrating work from Faraday to Steinmetz and including Tesla, you may want to try E P Dollard.
http://thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/v ... 91#p110191

[seasmith]

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Dr Hunt,
Well with having had a week or so to review the material, have you been able to comprehend Dollard's
versor algebra system ?
Do you have any questions on longitudinal propagation, of the type described by Tesla ?
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[Corpuscles]

Hi seasmith

.... you may want to try E P Dollard.
http://thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/v ... 91#p110191

Whilst I am visiting here ,I wish to thank you for posting that collection.
Not a member there, but at the time I saw some of the 'dribs and drabs' posted on that forum.

Truly wonderful that someone has taken the effort to collect it all, I hope a copy is in a very safe place for when EE's and "scientists" wake up!

If it is any consolation I read the lot! Some of the practical EE stuff is WAY beyond me, but could cope with the principles involved. My head was pounding!

LOL! I kept imagining hearing Dean (JL) repeat a mantra "4 wave conjugate mixer!"

If you are listening in Dr Mat Hunt, and if you are truly serious, forget about EU math, I plead with you if you have the mathematical capacity to develop a better written understanding or at least consider very carefully the fundamental question and express it coherently, ... the big question is what is ELECTRICITY?

Please overlook the distressed condition of the author and look at the essence/substance. The missing bits from Tesla, Heavyside, and Steimetz ,et al ..... just might after some serious modelling effort ....make you more famous than them!
GO TO IT.

Cheers

Editto add : Dr Hunt I suggest after the first introductory link , you then jump to the "posts made" section towards the bottom which includes Dollards neatly hand written notes and graphs, results , and equations.

Edit2: And for the sake of anything and all that might be "holy".... if you use Dollard .....then acknowledge credit in your publication. PLEASE!

[Corpuscles]

Hi Dr Mat Hunt

Hi,

I am a mathematical modeller by trade Dr Mat Hunt

This is just incase you are only prompted to this forum via email link.

There is some very serious stuff contributed for your consideration.... albeit in your valueable time .....and at your pace.

See seamiths post page 4

Cheers and thanking you for your interest.

[Dr_Mat_Hunt]

I see this thread has been derailed.

[seasmith]

How are you coming with the Versor Algebra ?

[Dr_Mat_Hunt]

Versers are part of something called geometric algebra", that isn't what I am asking about.

I think I have my answer anyway.

[seasmith]

?
It's versors, not versers, and they have to do with time and geometry.

How about your take on Tesla and Steinmetz ??


But no worries, i think we have your answer anyway.

[comingfrom]

EU theory doesn't have it's own unique math.
All EU theorists work with the basic known and accepted equations, as far as I have seen.

Where I see EU theory differ from mainstream, is when the maths is taken so far that it give results that contradict the original basic laws that the math came from in the first place. Then EU theorists say, we have to take a step, or many steps, back. Where as Mainstream likes to claim the Universe is paradoxical, believe us, believe our maths, and live with it.

If the maths tells you there are objects billions of times the Sun's mass, squeezed into less space than an electron takes, then that should be a flag that something is very wrong. It breaks all the fundamental laws we hold to be true.

m = dv

If v = 0 (a singularity), then m=0.

You should not just say "infinite density" to counter the math because it said 0, and still call that sound math.
Even infinity times 0 = 0.
Yet this is what they say black holes are.

The Universe cannot fit two electrons into a volume that one electron takes, let alone a million or billions of Sun masses. And any math that tells you so is flawed. And any model of the Universe that says that also has to be terribly flawed.

They are making claims for the gravity they haven't even defined yet. "We don't know what gravity is, but we know it can overcome the structure of matter, and cause gravitational collapse". But no one can verify that. No one is going to go to a black hole and bring back a sample of collapsed matter, so they are just guessing. Their math doesn't support them. Experiments don't support them.

And they won't believe EU theory until it comes up with a similar fanciful math
~Paul

[seasmith]

Even though the equations are capable of predicting touchdown events where the liquid layer thins to zero thickness, we have concentrated in situations where the electric field is strong enough to make the system linearly stable. We computed numerically nonlinear traveling waves in such cases and show that connect [ion?] to the waves predicted by linear theory when the wave amplitudes are small. Such nonlinear coherent structures are useful in enhancing the transport properties of the liquid layer and more detailed studies of such effects would be useful future studies.

Electrostatic effects on linear and nonlinear waves in hanging film flows
Abstract
M. Hunt, D.T. Papageorgioub, J.-M. Vanden-Broeck,∗ Department of Mathematics, Univ...
http://hyperkahler.co.uk/wp-content/upl ... fluids.pdf

Wrt your posted paper, may it be presumed the quest for an eu "Mathematical Model" is to help clarify that paper's wave-model of field influenced "hanging film flows" with a constant gravity ?
If so, then some links to algebraic correlations between surface (e.g. a film) charge characteristics and longitudinal propagations of strongly aligning "electric fields" need not be considered a "derailed" thread.
Best of luck in your studies

[Dr_Mat_Hunt]

With ALL of the physical science, theory requires a solid mathematical foundation. Otherwise you cannot make predictions.