Mathematical model for the electric universe

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Re: Mathematical model for the electric universe

Post by Michael Mozina » Tue Dec 29, 2015 4:20 pm

comingfrom wrote:Thank you, Micheal. I needed help because I can't explain it so scientifically.

And your explanation helps me too.
The electric fields of stars and planets are rarely, if ever, mentioned.

I mean, I've been reading about this denial for a while, thanks to the Thunderbolts Project, but the pure vacuum of even a mention E fields is really hitting me now.
That's typical actually, because it's so hard to believe at first. The mainstream has simply ignores the electrical components and the electrical activity in spacetime. That is true as it relates to solar physics, it's true as it relates to magnetosphere modeling, and that's true as it relates to anything and everything outside of the solar system as well. They simply ignore the role of electricity as it runs through the plasma, and the E field that sustains that current flow process.

That's why the heating of the solar corona remains an enigma to them, 100 years *after* Birkeland explained it to them. The excess heat comes from the current flowing between the sun and the heliosphere, and the E field that exists between the sun and the heliosphere. There's no "mystery" as to the heating of the corona, the heating of coronal loops in general, or the heating of plasma in labs on Earth. It's almost exclusively related to current and electricity.

Keep in mind that almost all of of their own experiments on so called "magnetic reconnection" typically begin by them using electricity, E fields, and current to create two current carrying filaments in plasma. They then move the filaments closer together, bring the two current carrying filaments closer and closer together until they simply rewire themselves as currents seek the path of least resistance through a double layer. They then turn off the power, and the whole "reconnection" thing stops instantly, along with both current carrying filaments, and then they call it "magnetic reconnection". I kid you not.

What astronomers and astrophysicists do not understand about spacetime could fill volumes, and their ignorance as to role of E fields in high energy processes is simply unbelievable. That's also why Lambda-CDM is 95 percent supernatural construct, and only 5 percent empirical physics. Even when they try to model the behaviors of high temperature plasma in space, they typically resort to a form of pure "pseudoscience", according to the Nobel Prize winning author of MHD theory (Alfven). They really are that clueless. It's almost a 100 percent physics mystery to them. Even they can't seem to agree on which version of "reconnection" might apply! Honestly, they don't understand the physics because they won't look at the E field.

The role of electricity, and the E field in high temperature plasma is well documented in the lab, including most of the lab experiments that astronomers call "magnetic reconnection". Most of them wouldn't even work without current and the E field that drives the whole process, and heats the plasma, and creates the filaments in the first place. They simply convert all the E's in Maxwell's equations to B's, and then they literally *pretend* that the B field does all the work. Hoy Vey. They then turn off the electricity to their so called experiment on "magnetic reconnection" and instantly the whole reconnection process terminates, along with both current carrying filaments that supposedly "reconnected". It's really that ridiculous.

The magnetic fields do play a role in attracting the current current streams but the existence of both current streams is predicated upon the existence of an E field and current!

The mathematics simply confuses them. Once they convert the various E components in the equations to B's, they erroneously believe (and publicly claim) that they've demonstrated that magnetism drives the process, even though they require an E field in virtually every lab experiment. Even their "laser" experiment simply creates two current carrying filaments in the plasma, and the filaments "rewire" themselves over time through an ordinary double layer. It "'should" be called "current reconnection", or "particle reconnection", or just ordinary "double layer" processes between two filaments as described in Alfven's double layer paper.

Magnetic fields not even form in tiny little "lines" as they imagine them, they form in entire 3D fields. The whole magnetic reconnection claim is silly in the final analysis, since their own lab experiments are driven by E fields and current.

Make no mistake about it, in the lab, and everywhere else in nature, the E field drives the parade. The mainstream consistently puts the magnetic cart in front of the electrical horse, and they can't figure out why it doesn't seem to work right.

The funny part is, that they literally use electricity, E fields and current to *heat* plasma into the plasma state, and sustain it in the plasma state in the lab in the first place. They have to heat various elements with E fields and current into the plasma state just so they can start learning about "plasma physics". Somehow they imagine that the E field which sustains and heats those plasmas is irrelevant in the plasmas of spacetime. It's ridiculous that they ignore the role of electricity in the process, but they do so consistently, and intentionally at this point.
I think,
It's the Sun's E field that stabilizes the orbits of the planets.
It has an effect to be sure, but gravity does seem to be the dominant player. Perhaps we will get to an agreed upon "theory of everything" that explains gravity via EM fields, so in the final analysis, you may be exactly correct. For now I would say that gravity is the primary player, and EM fields may "stabilize" things as you put it, but gravity theory explains a lot in solar system physics.
It's an E field that maintains the structure of the galaxy.
Peratt has some *excellent* computer modeling papers that are available in the public domain. I suggest you read them. He's literally created various galactic formations in his plasma modeling software. All that is required to generate such mass layouts in plasma is a recognition of the role of electricity in space. Once you embrace electricity, the need for exotic forms of matter and energy goes flying right out the window.

http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpB ... =3&t=15850

Keep in mind that the mainstream *grossly* miscounted entire stars in that 2006 lensing paper that claimed to find "proof" of 'dark matter". They botched the stellar count by a whopping factor of between 3 and 20 depending on the type of star and the type of galaxy. There's no doubt that there is in fact "missing mass" in their seriously flawed baryonic mass estimation techniques from 2006. They've demonstrated it repeatedly over the past 8 years. Even still, all you need to get plasma to form galaxies and mass layouts as we observe in space is to add current and E fields to the equations.
Planets have their own E fields.
Alfven explains it in terms of circuit theory, and I think that's an appropriate way to look at it. His papers are also freely available for the most part.

http://thesurfaceofthesun.com/Alfven/
Structures within structures within structures.

Does that sound right to any you?
Absolutely. Once you turn on the E field, anything and everything starts to make sense. The moment Birkeland fired up his electric sun, and turned on the electricity, he created high energy coronal loops, a glowing corona, polar jets, high speed solar wind, and all the observations we see in solar satellite imagery today.

If you put various wavelengths of light together in solar images, you find that the coronal loops rise up and through the surface of the photosphere, leaving their magnetic field signature and heat signature on that surface. The magnetic field signatures can be seen in SDO magnetogram images. The heat signatures of the loops as the flow through the solar atmosphere can be seen in 1600 and 1700A images. Helioviewer will let you put them together in real time, so you can watch the relationship in real time. The coronal loops are sustained and driven by circuits that begin *way* below the photosphere and that connect below the surface of the photosphere. All the solar imagery I've seen in all the various satellite imagery all supports the electric universe theory. Nothing about what we observe should be a "mystery", since Birkeland built a working model of it all over 100 years ago in his lab.

http://helioviewer.org/#

He created aurora in the lab too, and used electric universe theory to explain the high energy events in planetary physics too. Almost every high energy event we observe in nature is driven by electricity and E fields. When the mainstream finally figures that out, they'll have to admit to themselves, and to the world, that they've been clueless now for *generations*. At the moment, their collective pride won't let them do that. Sooner or later however, it's going to happen. Make no mistake about it.

In the meantime, whatever you do, do *not* allow them to belittle you, or attack you personally or get away with claiming that there is no math to support EU/PC theory. They will tell you BS from day one, and hand you more BS in every single conversation. What they cannot seem to do unfortunately is accept and account for the role of electricity in space plasmas.

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Re: Mathematical model for the electric universe

Post by upriver » Fri Jan 01, 2016 12:25 am

Dr_Mat_Hunt wrote:A lot his stuff can be found in general plasma physics textbooks. I have a few of these. I also have one on astrophysical fluid dynamics which proved to be a very interesting read.
I think the issue here is the actual definition of electricity.... I have seen it said that Maxwell may have defined electricity as charge and momentum. If you throw away the momentum vector then it becomes charge and motion(kinetic energy)/speed...

I think there is no way to cohesively define EU until you define electricity...

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Re: Mathematical model for the electric universe

Post by comingfrom » Fri Jan 01, 2016 5:08 am

There is static electricity,
and there is electricity as current flow, which can be sheet or filament,
and there is electricity as discharge, which is a sudden and intense flow.

Electric charge is a property of matter.

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Re: Mathematical model for the electric universe

Post by orrery » Fri Jan 01, 2016 7:37 pm

Reference Ari Brynjolfsson's Plasma-Redshift Cosmology
http://arxiv.org/find/all/1/all:+AND+ar ... /0/all/0/1

Reference the NRL Plasma Formulary
http://www.nrl.navy.mil/ppd/content/nrl ... -formulary
"though free to think and to act - we are held together like the stars - in firmament with ties inseparable - these ties cannot be seen but we can feel them - each of us is only part of a whole" -tesla

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Re: Mathematical model for the electric universe

Post by upriver » Sat Jan 02, 2016 7:48 pm

comingfrom wrote:There is static electricity,
and there is electricity as current flow, which can be sheet or filament,
and there is electricity as discharge, which is a sudden and intense flow.

Electric charge is a property of matter.
I would agree that charge is always associated with mass. And it takes matter's interaction with the aether to produce charge expressed as a charge carrying massive particle.
Electricity has motion, charge(EM) and mass(matter + inertia).
The motion is what actually does the work. Mass is the carrier and charge(magnetic field) keeps everything orderly...

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Re: Mathematical model for the electric universe

Post by comingfrom » Sun Jan 03, 2016 3:27 pm

Mass = Density x Volume.
According to M Mathis, gravity is function of volume, and charge is a function of density.

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Re: Mathematical model for the electric universe

Post by Webbman » Sun Jan 03, 2016 6:00 pm

upriver wrote:
Dr_Mat_Hunt wrote:A lot his stuff can be found in general plasma physics textbooks. I have a few of these. I also have one on astrophysical fluid dynamics which proved to be a very interesting read.
I think the issue here is the actual definition of electricity.... I have seen it said that Maxwell may have defined electricity as charge and momentum. If you throw away the momentum vector then it becomes charge and motion(kinetic energy)/speed...

I think there is no way to cohesively define EU until you define electricity...
a ripple, wave, or disruption on an electron ring where an electron ring is a closed loop of double helix of force strands. Capable of being transmitted to adjacent electrons if they are in contact (mostly metals) but also through the surrounding medium (single stranded force or heat) to a lesser extent, translated along the length of any strand until the system reaches equilibrium.

focused disruption results in voltage and current which causes alignment of surrounding heat strands to current at 90 degrees proportional to the strength of the disruption or more commonly known as an electric field. ( heat can align through an electrical insulator, otherwise a wire would never get hot, would it?)

focused disruption (electricity) can result in five actions.

1) efficient translation to attached or very very close electron rings (conductor's such aluminum, silver, copper, gold)
2) inefficient translation between electron close rings using a heat bridge (resistive conductor i.e nichrome or tungsten). Thus proximity of adjacent electron ring is the main determinant of how good a conductor is (or how good a heater is).
3) ejection of electron ring by torsional twisting, as light, wavelength dependant on severity of torsion/ energy.
4) destruction (unwinding of double helix) of electron ring into single wild strands (heat or aether).
5) alignment of surrounding single strands (magnetism).

if you bounce light around enough it will unwind to an electron. It will not be attracted to magnetic fields while its light because it double twisted up (rigid due to twisting two pairs of double helix strands together) and this cannot translate like the electron does, and cannot align since its still a closed system like heat does. Since its fired in the vector of its creation it will bounce off of everything it hits, and everything it hits will gain some energy as a disruption while it will continually lose twists until it becomes an electron ring again which will get gobbled up by an ion or something.


if you think of it that way you don't need any new math.

I also have the even wilder theory that all force strands are the same size though they can connect ( and disconnect) to each other end to end and also wind into larger structures such as electrons, protons and neutrons, depending on how they are spun in the sun.

so a force strand universe might be more applicable. Electricity is just the force bouncing around off each other sometimes in useful coordinated ways.
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Re: Mathematical model for the electric universe

Post by Michael Mozina » Sun Jan 03, 2016 6:10 pm

upriver wrote:I would agree that charge is always associated with mass.
Hmmm. I'm not really comfortable with the term "always", particularly since the same iron ion can be extremely positively charged by stripping it of electrons, yet by cooling it off again, and by adding back the same electrons, it can be made "neutral" again. I'm not sure you can that charge is "always" associated with mass, or the addition of more mass would necessarily equate to more charge, however the previous example demonstrates that isn't actually the case.

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Re: Mathematical model for the electric universe

Post by comingfrom » Sun Jan 03, 2016 10:13 pm

Thank you, Michael.

Charge is always associated with mass, since charge is a property of matter, and matter has mass.
I think what you are trying to say, there isn't a direct correlation between charge and mass.
The same mass can be charged, or have no charge, or be negatively charge. Knowing the mass doesn't help us know the charge.

This could be the very reason why the Electric Universe is too hard for most people.

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Re: Mathematical model for the electric universe

Post by comingfrom » Sun Jan 03, 2016 10:58 pm

Thank you, Webbman.

You've thrown everything and started modelling from scratch again, I see.
The strand theory?
It's an interesting model, but how would you explain a photon of say 500eV, or a billion eV.
The tightness of the twist?

Personally, I believe, that if any conversion from matter to energy, or energy to matter, happens anywhere, it will be where the forces are greatest in the Universe. And not in our Solar system.
To me, energy is something that is transferred from matter to matter.
I know E=mc2, and all, but even in our highly energetic nuclear reactions, we don't gain or lose any matter. We are only breaking or making atomic bonds.

If one electron was converted into energy, woe to the world.
Even such a tiny mass, multiplied by the speed of light squared, is a helluva lot of energy.

If we add enough photons to an atom, we can pop off an electron, but then we have an ionized atom, and a free electron. And some photons would also have been emitted when the electron was expelled.

(Feel free to slam dunk me, if I said something wrong :P )
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Re: Mathematical model for the electric universe

Post by comingfrom » Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:35 am

OK, let's get to some maths (because I need some help here - I want to know how we quantify charge).

Coulomb's equation says F = kq1q2/r²

k is a constant, q1 is the charge of body 1, q2 is the charge of body 2, r is the distance between them.

Now, I tried to find out how they get values for q1 and q2. Searching the internet, I find,
the electric charge is given by

Q = It

Where I is the current, and t is the time (duration).

So, using standard international units

C (coulombs) = A (amperes) * t (seconds)

That's fantastic.
But how can we use that to calculate the charge force exerted by the millions of cations in the upper atmosphere, upon say, a human being upon or near the surface of the planet?
How is the charge of a plasma ball from the Sun calculated? And then the charge of planet, in order to calculate the E force between the two?

Then, in the example where I found Q = It, they calculate the total charge of all the protons in a kilogram of carbon.

There is no current, and there is no duration. Just a kilo of carbon. (They don't say, but I presume it is neutrally charged carbon, but no matter, because the problem only seeks to know the total charge of the protons, as if they were separated out of their atoms).

To do this, they used a simplified formula: q = ±ne

Where e = the charge of an electron, and n stands for the number of electrons (or protons, when charge is positive), since, knowing the charge of an electron, we can then quantify the charge of a mass by knowing the number of extra, or missing, electrons. No current or duration is required. The number of protons being the number of molecules in the kilo, times 6, because 6 is the atomic number of carbon, gives us a value for n.

I'm not a mathematician, and I'm new to this. I need a really basic guide for dummys, I think.
How is charge quantified, for use with coulomb's law (in practical situations, I mean, not in a theoretically pure kilo)?
How do we get the ±ne of the Sun, to know it's charge?

This article says mainstream puts the Sun's charge at 77 coulombs, making F of E field at earth distance approx 3 x 10ˉ¹¹. An absurdly small force, caused by a charge deficiency of 1 electron per million tons! Can you believe that?

Mainstream says the Sun is positively charged folks, but it managed to only lose one electron out of every million tons of stuff it accumulated. Why do I find such a round number highly suspicious? :roll:

Again I see a mainstreamer saying, they do not deny the Universe is electric.
And saying, it is just not as electric as EU theorists theorize.
It's only about as micro-electric as the mainstream theorists theorize.
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Re: Mathematical model for the electric universe

Post by comingfrom » Mon Jan 04, 2016 1:29 am

There is also an answer to the question of defining electricity in that article.
And here is another thing I have seen from mainstreamers before.
Question: Where do stellar magnetic fields come from?
Answer: They are generated by the bulk motion of charged particles.
You note in my answer that I did not say "electric currents". We have a colloquial meaning in mind when we use the words "electric currents", and that meaning is embodied by the electric currents that flow in our household wiring and electronic technology
So then, if your definition of electricity only means man made movement (and storage) of charged particles, then yes, the Universe is not man made. But if your definition of electricity is any movement (or static containment) of charged particles, then the Universe is electric.

Here is another.
Flows of charged particles are electric currents. Aren’t they?”
* No, NASA almost certainly did not mean currents; read the Fisk&Gloeckler paper for details (it’s not behind a paywall)
* No, flows of charged particles MAY be electric currents, but not necessarily; for example, when a fireboat sprays sea water from its nozzle, the flow contains vast numbers of charged particles (e.g. Na and Cl ions) yet there is no current. The same can be true for a plasma.
To me, any water current is also an electric current, because it contains charged particles. The amperage may be low, but I suspect it is higher than many would guess.

If the movement of charged particles in plasma in space are generating magnetic fields, then how is that not electricity?
If "flux tubes" of massive amounts of moving charged particles following "magnetic highways" are not electric currents, then I guess that's why they have to call them "flux tubes".
:cry: I mean, highways are man made too, don't they know?

We could call them FU theorists (for Flux Universe :lol: ).

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Re: Mathematical model for the electric universe

Post by Webbman » Mon Jan 04, 2016 5:09 am

you will observe of course that I haven't changed anything about the way the world . I have only provided a mechanism on how it all works together. No dark matter required.

I have always thought the electron was a ring of some sort since I put some thought into it just as I think a neutron is a proton with an electron ring embedded into it like Saturn.

force strands is the logical conclusion. The only structure that fits. A wave and a particle.

The sun emits electrons, protons, neutrons(maybe), every wavelength of EM, heat and the elements. Why would you think they wouldn't be created there? Its a giant forge.

there is only one raw material not accounted for. Force from the galaxy.
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Re: Mathematical model for the electric universe

Post by Webbman » Mon Jan 04, 2016 5:32 am

whats your explanation of a 500 ev photon?

like it or not the twist works and is logical. The harder you twist the smaller the diameter. Don't believe me try it yourself with rubber bands.

take two rubber bands and wrap them around eachother to make a helix. Bring the sides together. now twist that as hard as you can. Does this not work the same way EM works?

does it not get smaller and more energetic (and more rigid) as we add twists?

now when your done twisting stretch it and let it loose. does it not have a vector? Aim it at something. did it not transmit energy when it hit it. Did it not bounce.

try again but this time keep tightening it until it breaks. What are you left with? How energetic was it when it broke? Did it hurt?

if you can show me something that works better, by all means.
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Re: Mathematical model for the electric universe

Post by comingfrom » Tue Jan 05, 2016 1:05 am

Thank you, Webbman.

Well, you've surely looked at current particle physics, so you must think your rubber band/strand model works better.

I'll definitely file it, but I'm not ready to abandon standard particle physics yet.
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