Sunspot cycles and the planets

[jacmac]

The planets and their orbits have long been thought to cause sunspots.
I find the proximity of the average solar cycle length(11 yrs.) with the Jupiter year (11.86 yrs.) to good to pass up.

So, here is what I am thinking: The sun spots are an electric event.

What is changing in the solar system at about the same rate ?
One orbit of Jupiter; with 70% of the mass of the planets, and an active electromagnetic environment.

Where on the sun are sunspots ?
Close to the solar equator. Most under about 35 degrees. The same area to find the planets; close to the equator.

How does the Butterfly pattern change?
It moves from higher latitude toward the equator. The planets are inclined to the solar equatorial plane, and spent about half the time of orbit north and half south of the solar equator.

Why do the magnetic poles of the sun flip?
Why not, the suns magnetic field seems unstable, in a frantic mode with field lines going all over the place.

What can cause this, that seems to happen on the same time scale ?
Each planet has a direct electrical relationship with the sun. As they orbit the sun they get in each others way. Conjunctions are not just about gravity but electric currents as well. Currents to the sun might be enhanced or reduced as planets move close to each other, relative to the sun. Changing currents effect magnetic fields, and JUPITER is the big dog.

What about not many sunspots on the equator ?
There might be a calming effect on electric currents from the planet to the sun, as the planet moves through the dense portion of the solar wind. The planets move north/south as they orbit and the Parker spiral shape to the solar wind adds complexity.

What about the difference between 11 and 11.86 years ?
The sun rotates about every 27 days. And at the same time the planetary electrical environment is changing constantly. Jupiter does not need to return to some exact celestial starting point, it only needs to orbit quietly and carry a big stick. All the planets are involved, only adding to the complexity.

No doubt there are other factors at work too numerous to mention but I think we need to give the planets more attention. The solar cycle solution might be hiding in plain sight.

Jack

[jacmac]

Today I discovered this paper from Miles Mathis.

http://milesmathis.com/cycle.pdf

His analysis is WAY ABOVE MY PAY GRADE, as the saying goes, but he also says the EM relationships of the planets and the sun are causing the solar cycle.

One additional variable I suggest might be involved is what happens when each planet moves from above to under the solar wind. If the Parker spiral is a correct picture of the solar wind then simply using the planetary crossing of the solar ecliptic as an additional variable could be misleading. Perhaps as each planet moves through the solar wind, changing from above to below and back again, this might be a triggering mechanism to initiate a sun spot or to end one.

I think the solar cycle is too regular to be caused by changes in the galactic current. The more local nature of the planets to the sun, and the almost identical orbit time for Jupiter is the better explanation for me.

Jack

[jacmac]

In my above post I referred to the planets moving above and below the solar wind. Actually It is my understanding that the solar wind rotates or orbits the sun at or near the rotation rate of the sun itself. Therefore, the solar wind would be overtaking the planets as it(the SW) rotates the sun. Each planet would find itself alternately above, then within, then below the solar wind as the wind moved by, relative to the Parker Spiral profile at that location, and also relative to each planets orbit above or below the solar ecliptic.

Thanks for your consideration,
Jack

[upriver]

Well Jupiter does have an electrical field strong enough to light up a comet...
Jupiter-family Comets
http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/cosmos/J/J ... ily+comets


heliospheric current sheet 2001 till 2009
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2434rAbImf0

[jacmac]

Upriver, Thanks for those links. The links within the U-tube video did not work.

Most of the dialogue in these forums that I have read about the earth and the solar wind seemed to assume the earth is always within the solar wind. Given the linked video above and the thickness of the solar wind at 10,000 km it would seem that the earth is not within the solar wind that long on a percentage basis. Perhaps the solar wind is thicker at 1 AU. I will look for more info.

[jacmac]

I have found two articles that discuss the INVERSE relationship between the time the Earth spends in the solar wind and the amount of geomagnetic activity. Both articles use data during solar minimun cycles.
I am suggesting that a higher or lower geomagnetic activity level (at the Earth) would correspond with a similar higher or lower sunspot activity level on the sun. Also i would expect this relationship would be repeated with each and all the other planets.

http://arxiv.org/abs/1412.0886

" It is supposed that the geomagnetic activity in cycle minimum is determined by the thickness of the heliospheric current sheet which is related to the portions of time the Earth spends in slow and in fast solar wind. We demonstrate that it is also determined by the parameters of these two components of the background solar wind which vary from cycle to cycle."

Also:
https://books.google.com/books?id=PIq6B ... 0CFwQ6AEwC

"The authors (Quattara et al, 81) speculated that the number of the geomagnetically quiet and very quiet days in the first half of the 20th century is a result of the shorter time spent by the Earth in the heliosheet (the interplanitary projection of the solar caronal streamer belt). Similarly Oliver and Ling(18) showed that the decrease in geomagnetic activity in the last three sunspot minima corresponds to the increase in the percent of time per year which the Earth spends in slow solar wind.
43.7%.....1976
45.1%.....1986
51.8%.....1995
71.3%.....2009
The percentage of time per year during sunspot minimum which the Earth spends in slow solar wind is indicative of the heliosheet THICKNESS.(caps mine) The thicker the heliosheet the longer time the Earth is immersed in it."

The emergence of the Earth(and each other planet) from the solar wind might act as triggers to sunspot development. Thus, the sum total of the orbiting planets, and their electric relationships with the sun and the solar wind, results in the variable solar cycles as dominated by Jupiter.

Any feedback is helpful.
Jack

[jacmac]

As you might be able to infer from my above posts on this topic I am an impulsive person.
These posts are an indication of an ongoing learning process. I am now trying to focus on the difference between the solar wind and the heliospheric current sheet(HCS).
It is the HCS that is apparently only 10,000km thick not the solar wind. I thought the HCS was another name for the solar wind.
As the Parker Spiral shape suggests the planets are alternately not so much above or below the solar wind, as I stated above but above or below the HCS, thus, alternating between the north or south portions of the solar magnetic field. These relatively sudden changes might explain the onset of sunspots.
The characteristics of the solar wind and the heliospheric current sheet are different at the radial distances of each planets orbit.
I remain convinced that the electromagnetic connections of the planets to the sun, as they change with the solar wind, the heliospheric current sheet, and their orbital conjunctions are the most compelling explanation for the solar sunspot and magnetic cycles.

[jacmac]

The range of Sunspot sizes is on the same scale as the diameters of the planets.

From Google:
" Most spots range in size from about 1,500 km (932 miles) to around 50,000 km (31,068 miles) in diameter. Once in a while, huge sunspots the size of Jupiter show up on the Sun's surface."

Pluto Diameter about 2,400 km
Jupiter Diameter about 87,000 km

Supporting evidence ?

[jacmac]

I am naturally interested in the number of sunspots.
However, the information is clouded by the use of the Wolf formula.

The relative sunspot number R is computed using the formula (collected as a daily index of sunspot activity):
R = k(10g + s) \,
where
s is the number of individual spots,
g is the number of sunspot groups, and
k is a factor that varies with location and instrumentation (also known as the observatory factor or the personal reduction coefficient K).[3]

Individual sunspot counts are added to sunspot group counts, which are weighted x10. This is used because the interest of mainstream science is in the area of the sunspots as a percentage of the surface area of the sun and the 10x is an averaging method.

From Wikipedia:

The idea of computing sunspot numbers was originated by Rudolf Wolf in 1848[1] in Zurich, Switzerland and, thus, the procedure he initiated bears his name (or place).

I THINK EACH SUNSPOT GROUP SHOULD BE SEEN AND COUNTED AS A SINGLE EVENT, NOT WEIGHTED 10 TIMES THE SINGLE SUNSPOTS.

However I have been unable to find any pre-formula data.
Thus I am at an impasse for now.

Does anyone know how to find basic sunspot data before the formula is used ?

Thanks,
Jack

[D_Archer]

Does anyone know how to find basic sunspot data before the formula is used ?

I think the SOHO data is good.

http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/sunspots/

http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/data.html

http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/classroo ... xerweb.pdf

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I searched a little but could not really find where to find the actual data.

Regards,
Daniel

[jacmac]

Daniel,
Thank you for the links.
There is an old data base there that looks promising.
But, I will be busy with other things for a while.
Jack

[jacmac]

Well, some weeks ago I found very early sunspot data and now I have lost it. Thought I bookmarked the page ?
Here are some more recent numbers from 1755 and cycle 1 going forward.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_solar_cycles

As you may recall, I was looking for sunspot numbers before the Wolf formula started counting sunspot groups as 10 sunspots. The Idea was to correlate the numbers with the events of the planets crossing the heliospheric current sheet and the heliospheric planet geometry conjunctions.
Way too difficult for this seeker. Also, I think the sunspot data counts all spots facing earth, not necessarily the number of NEW spots; adding more complexity for that idea. I am ending that line of research.

The electrical connections of the planets to the sun are becoming more obvious all the time.
The electrical connections of the planets(especially the earth) to the sunspots are being demonstrated in more detail by Ben Davidson and Dr. Kong Pop U-yen, and can be found at:

http://www.suspicious0bservers.org/

Their work showing the similarities of sunspots and earth spots is very promising. Also, demonstrating the connections of solar events and earth events(storms, earthquakes etc.) seems to be the most advanced that I am aware of. Check out their paper on the connections of coronal holes and heliospheric planet geometry with large earthquakes on earth here:

http://www.ncgt.org

What is next for my proposal that our planets cause the sunspots ?
And what about the sunspot cycles ?

The sunspots seem to be the solar footprint of sun and planet electrical interactions.
Each planet spends half it's time above the heliospheric current sheet(HCS) and half below as measured by the planets inclination to the solar equator.
The total number of planets above or below the HCS is constantly changing with the planetary orbits, and that total will be made up of different planets. This changing pattern will then influence the sun from above or below the solar equator in a changing and cyclical manner.
Could this be the cause, or a major component, of the movement of the sunspots from higher latitudes toward the equator, and the reason for the solar cycles ?

I will need to find web site(s) that show data for planet geometry both above and below the HCS>

Any help with that would be great.

Jack

P. s.
I believe the solar cycles are local to the solar system events.
But I would look to the interstellar medium for explanation of the Maunder minimum and other long cycles.

[jacmac]

This is a clarification of my last post.

I have inadvertently mixed together the notion of the heliospheric current sheet (HCS) and the plane around the sun extending out from the solar equator. As I am talking about electric circuit connections between sun and planets, the positions of the planets above, within, and below the HCS is of primary importance in regards to sunspots.

However, I think the time each planet is above or below the equatorial plane of the sun would be a good approximation for the time spent above or below the HCS. I am thinking this data will be somewhat easier to find.

Perhaps ?

Here is also a BRIEF SUMMARY about all this the way I see it:

Sunspots are the solar footprint of sun/planet electrical current connections.
High magnetic field at sunspots indicate current flow. I think these currents connect to planets.
Orbit of Jupiter 11.86 years. Average sun cycle 11 years.
Jupiter/Saturn from conjunction to opposition 10 years (very rough calculation so far)
Sunspot sizes are roughly similar to planet sizes.
Sunspot frequencies are similar in order of magnitude to planet crossing HCS and heliocentric conjunctions.
Crossing HCS and conjunctions could be triggers for sunspot development.
Movement of sunspots from higher to lower latitudes mimics planet movements via orbit tilt.

The total electrical energies of sun/planet currents above or below the HCS no doubt fluctuates, with alternating
periods of greater strength of currents above or below the HCS; this could be a possible cause of the pole
reversals of the sun with each solar cycle.

[jacmac]

NEW FIND TODAY:
At this page.

https://books.google.com/books?id=M6FXA ... equator&so

An article from 1866.

Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society, Volumes 27-28

" Note by Messrs. De La Rue, Stewart, and Loewy......We have investigated the relation between solar activity and the ecliptical longitude of the planets; and as a result we believe that we have discovered a connection between the behaviour of sunspots and the longitudes of Venus and Jupiter......it will be seen how closely the minor epochs of solar activity in their approach to the equator agree with the epochs at which Venus crosses the solar equator and how the solar activity spreads out towards the poles at those times when Venus is farthest removed from the solar equator......
The influence of Jupiter......will occupy our earliest attention."

Additional comments are on pages 128 and 129.

It has been 149 years. This idea has legs !

[seasmith]

~
Jacmac, if you have been looking at suspiciousobsevers.org, you have maybe already come across Tallbloke's Talkshop article: Jupiter and Saturn – Solar cycle link confirmed ? ?

https://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2011/08 ... confirmed/