Thornhill's Latest Gravity Presentation

[jbignes5]

I told you plasma is not a state of matter. it is what is in between all matter. I don't think we could design a computer big enough to be able to handle simulating this, even in a cubic centimeter of space.

When I mentioned Hydrogen and Helium those are the vehicle for the plasma to move to our environment. It is the solar wind and the plasma is in between the particles of those elements. It gets dragged along after the sun packs it in between the particles and spews them out into our space via the solar wind. All the while the wind is shedding the plasma due to the change in density of the plasma field as it goes away from the Sun.

Our Earth displaces a huge amount of the plasma field and it presents itself as a vacuum to the plasma as it travels through space. It imparts most of the charge the hydrogen has via plasma leakage or condensation when it hits our ionosphere. After some time the hydrogen and other matter leaks out all of the extra plasma from within itself and falls twords the Earth where all plasma wants to be but can not be due to partial displacement. I say partial because matter does not displace all of the plasma. It has to be able to conduct and that means plasma is the conductor, even in it's own body. This works on every scale and it is the very reason the Project is finding the evidence it is finding on the largest of scales. If we understand fluid dynamics, what happens when you pinch a flow? Plasma stream are being pinched inside of the sun due to the very phenomena that happens to quarters when exposed to impulses of heavy current. It sucks the matter closer and injects the same amount of flow across the streams. The pinches raise in intensity because of the increase of the density of the plasma streams through that section of space while transmitting the same energy, minus the spray we call the solar wind, across the stream threads.

We seem to think matter is solid but on the smallest scales it has as much space as is between us and the Sun. Scale for scale. <-Probably an exaggeration.

If we were to change our viewpoint for a second and maybe understand that when we smash atoms together, are we destroying worlds? It makes you wonder..

[Bengt Nyman]

You are apparently using the word plasma to describe something which is not plasma in a conventional sense. Maybe you should give it a new and less objectionable name. Plasma is spoken for and means something else.
There is obviously also traditional plasma in space, but that is at a much higher structural level.
Except for the name I agree with you about both the porosity and the scale of things. I am imagining that the smallest aether primary might be a single wavelength of a closed loop, recirculating, standing wave of extremely high frequency and thereby very short wavelength and diameter. When you nest these together, similar to this years Nobel-price for nested molecules, you should be able to build just about anything from dark energy to neutrinos, photons, electrons, quarks and so on.
These primaries, by the way, are not likely to come from our sun or other fusion factories. Aether primaries are more likely to emanate from black holes which are cosmic crushers that recycles everything back into gamma and primaries.

[jbignes5]

Plasma is what condenses around a single high voltage terminal. The high voltage of that terminal attracts or condenses the plasma, this intensifies the space based on both the voltage present and the accumulated plasma. Plasma is highly reactive to voltages. Plasma is also what is responsible for all magnet effects.
We have gotten things all wrong about plasma. It isn't a state of matter but what divides matter and allows that matter to communicate with the rest of the matter in this Universe via induction.

A good analogy is this from an unrelated science field..

"Plasma is the often forgotten component of blood. White blood cells, red blood cells, and platelets are essential to body function, but plasma also plays a crucial, and mostly unrecognized, job. It carries these blood components throughout the body as the fluid in which they travel."

It is the very same for this Universe. It is what all matter floats in and receives it's energy from and allows force in all it's forms. It allows one piece of matter to know there is another next to it or a billion miles away instantly. It is the sea we are floating in and that sea is solid and changes density from place to place. This density change can form streams, rivers and lakes while still having a base level to communicate between two points anywhere in the Field.

Our elders used to relate this to the Aether. They are one and the same. Aether = Plasma = the ability to induce and perform work (force) anywhere within the plasma body.

The Sun is a focal point and z-pich in a massive condensed plasma stream, just like the electric universe suggest.

[Bengt Nyman]

I agree with you, except with your use of the word plasma.
Please define what's in your plasma, as opposed to protons which have been heated to loose the electrons.
The mass of an eather plasma primary is probably at least 10^-10 smaller than a photon which makes it 10^-29 times smaller than a proton and the hydrogen plasma that we use to try to create controlled fusion for power generation.

What I am asking you tell me will probably take science another 300 years to figure out. So take the easy way out and simply give it a new name.

[jbignes5]

I couldn't rename it because it is what it is a plasma. It acts like a fluid but it is not. It is a body that conducts perfectly across that body, no matter what direction the conduction goes. All we really know is that it is a spacial conductor that can change it's density (maybe division) within that body. It is electrically conductive and that conduction causes the density to increase across the points of conduction. This increases the potential of that spot and causes z pinch results as well.

Lets look at something for a sec and see if we can understand the process better.



As we can see here the plasma is not produced by the spur. It actually gets attracted to the spur and forms pools, lakes and streams all flowing towards the spurs points. As the plasma flows towards the spur it gets intensified by the higher potential of the spur tips and condenses there. This causes the plasma to emit more light as it flows to the spur tips. kinda like a zpinch rule. At that point it pushes matter out of the way and it condenses and flows towards the tip. The plasma is all around us in a low energy state. Quite undetectable till it becomes intensified by a higher potential electric field. I guess you could say that the plasma is in a cold almost neutral state.

In between two units of matter will form a segmented plasma. Double layers will form and matter will pull itself together pinching the plasma streams caught between the two pieces of matter. Around the matter will form layers of plasma and the evidence is pointing to the Exclusion layer(easy water) as the evidence of mechanism. Since matter is used in that experiment it is easier to see the exclusion zone because the density of plasma is getting greater between the atoms of water and conduct better pushing the non resonant free atoms out of the zone like a bubble moves towards the surface of the body of water. It's a very complicated process and I am sure I don't have it right all the way yet.

Because matter displaces the plasma(to a degree) it causes the matter to increase in potential due to the plasma wanting to be uniform across it's body. A small z pinch happens at that point and is the reason for the matters increase. This z-pinch does a peculiar thing. Since the plasma is all connected it amplifies any changes going on the plasma body. Sort of like an amplifier increases the strength of signals. This allows communication and an apparent increase in energy which the matter will filter and dissipate a portion of that increase. Matter gets it's energy through this process and it reflects a portion like a radar pulse.

Matter likes like because of this, through a resonant response. This draws other matter that is reflecting of like signals together but never being able to touch because of one rule. Plasma must stay in between matter or all matter at some point would condense and no division would be had.

I know this isn't intuitive and that is why it went so long through our history without being discovered completely. I still don't have the complete vision of this process and action that allows induction to happen.

[Bengt Nyman]

We are apparently not communicating:
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plas·ma
ˈplazmə/Submit
noun
1.
the colorless fluid part of blood, lymph, or milk, in which corpuscles or fat globules are suspended.
2.
an ionized gas consisting of positive ions and free electrons in proportions resulting in more or less no overall electric charge, typically at low pressures (as in the upper atmosphere and in fluorescent lamps) or at very high temperatures (as in stars and nuclear fusion reactors).

[jbignes5]

Do you know what plasma in our body contains? 90-92 percent of it made up of?
Water. Water in my clearest understanding is a very condensed plasma between the hydrogen and oxygen atoms. It is the medium of water. It gives water it's properties of being the ultimate solvent. Why?

Show me either an ion or an electron please... Just to clarify... Not the mathematical proof but the actual electron or ion.. That explanation was made to confuse us and has no relation to reality..

If we were to look at the position of said electron we would really see absolutely nothing. It doesn't exist and was created to quantize the atom and balance the equations. It's a fudge factor and has nothing to do with reality. What is there instead are layers of plasma with the density increasing going towards the matter, encircling it and behaving like waves around a 3d island or sphere. Compression and uncompression of the plasma as a medium cause an effect that we call the electron in the electron shell. Double layers form in the plasma that creates the shells.

We are not able to justify using math instead of the reality that nothing really is there but plasma in different densities. Call it what you will but in my mind plasma makes better sense to describe this medium.

It's funny how matter scientists will say that matter is ionized and becomes a plasma state. No one has seen such an event yet there it is. It is the in between that becomes pinched and intensified. Not matter itself. Matter then can draw from the intensified field around it and filter the energy through it's components radiating it back out so that one piece of matter knows about the other.

You can name it how you want but I would rather look at the example that this Universe is fractal and we are part of that fractal, hence we can infer about the body of the Universe and how it works by looking at our own example of our bodies. Like wise the planet is a part of the fractal and we can infer how Atoms look and operate via the same method. Double layers of plasma creating shells around matter allowing discharges to pass both ways across the layers.

Is plasma a micro fine matter? I haven't gotten that far yet. It could be that plasma is the tips of a crystalline pure matter that was formed inside of a black hole which we reside in. Our space could have been created in an instant when that perfect crystal sheered and repelled the other side of this sheer. The broken tips of the perfect matter acting like a liquid crystal and reacting in the very same manner. But that idea is just that an idea. I highly doubt we will be able to get a resolution that high to see the action and sub particles because even our best light microscopes have a resolution problem at those levels. "Electron" microscopes do not show anything about the medium that the "Electron" travel through. In fact they are only a computerized reflection of the waves caused in the medium. Again like a radar system here.

Someone who is very brilliant and very abrupt in verbiage said that matter is like you in the center of a calm pool and when instructed will flail about causing ripples going away from you. Well I think he is partially right. Matter doesn't need to flail about because there is so much of it that the ripples from other matter causes the medium to provide waves that impinging on other pieces of matter. With the initiating ping coming from the unzipping of our space in the black hole matter.

Now whats a black hole? Nothing more then pure plasma in a cold state. Light can not escape because the transmission of the pure plasma is instantly radiated in every direction loosing the strength to be light.

I am sure there are areas that I don't have a handle on but seeing that the Electric Universe project has found huge plasma streams means I am partially right. Plasmoids in the stream cause matter to form around it creating gross matter in the process or an atom. The plasmoid has two channels in and out that connect to the rest of the Universe. z pinches can also form matter but these tend to become stars in that process.

It's gonna take ages to figure this out correctly and you were right to say that. But we have to start somewhere and my attempt I think is a good start, even though I know I have errors in a few places.

[Bengt Nyman]

You apparently have your own definition of plasma. Good luck.

[nick c]

jbignes5,
I too am puzzled by your use of the word "plasma."
Plasma has two consensus definitions:
1. matter, composed of free electrons, free protons, ions, and atoms in some combination.
2. the liquid portion of blood.

Obviously, in this forum the word is applied mostly to definition #1.
Could you give us your definition....what is plasma?

[querious]

Coulomb force dipole posturing and gravity works anyway.

Hi Bengt,
We are all still patiently awaiting your coherent explanation as to why a neutral foil doesn't "weigh more" (or less) when you charge it, if a dipole-caused electric field is what causes gravity.

Thanks,
querious

[Webbman]

Coulomb force dipole posturing and gravity works anyway.

Hi Bengt,
We are all still patiently awaiting your coherent explanation as to why a neutral foil doesn't "weigh more" (or less) when you charge it, if a dipole-caused electric field is what causes gravity.

Thanks,
querious

not that I believe in dipole gravity but I think your answer is saturation. the foil cannot be easily saturated (because it will be destroyed on saturation) whereas a capacitor can be more readily (but still not efficiently) saturated and if I'm not mistaken a charged capacitor does indeed weigh less at least according to things I read.

so whether dipole or not it is still electrical unless you can account for the capacitor some other way. Personally I think its all about the sinks electrical draw when there isn't enough pressure to match the mass trying to reach equilibrium. That left over draw is gravity. a unidirectional second order electrical effect.

[Bengt Nyman]

Not that I believe in dipole gravity but I think your answer is saturation. The foil cannot be easily saturated ... because it will be destroyed on saturation ... whereas a capacitor can be more readily saturated ...
... the sinks electrical draw ... when there isn't enough pressure to match the mass trying to reach equilibrium... that left over draw is gravity ... a unidirectional second order electrical effect.

I am sorry Webbman, but I find no physics in your suggestion.

[jbignes5]

Maybe this picture might help you.

Plasma has the same definition as the plasma in your blood. Water is a condensed plasma. Meaning in between water is a great amount of plasma. It's the grease that allows water to be so flexible when warm(charge full). It's the structure we see when it freezes(charge less).

Charges are plasmoids in the plasma, meaning little loops forming a ball. It is still connected but heavily looped. Acts like a spring for all intense and purpose.

Plasma tends to form lines like in a discharge If there is sufficient matter displacing the plasma stream. In space a discharge would look like a vacuum tube discharge. Spread out and fuzzy. If you have a single terminal discharge what you see is the standing plasma rushing towards the terminal glowing as it gets closer to the terminal.

Plasma in essence is flowing from the Sun to the Earth and slowly discharging or condensing down towards the center point of our planet. The closer to the center of the planet you go the more matter is squeezed together and pinching the plasma flows releasing tremendous energy. This flow of plasma is what causes gravity. Since everything has plasma in it it acts just like water does as a river flows. The flow gently pulls on us because the plasma is being sucked through the matter of the crust acting like a vacuum to the standing plasma above it. It sucks it because as the plasma streams get squeezed it accelerates it like the nozzle does to a sprayer as it gives off energy in the process. The rate of plasma flow is very important especially when it flows through matter. The faster the flow the more energy the matter has. Highly energetic particles have a good flow through them because of the flow change from the surface to inner core of the atoms. By the way the atom is built the very exact way as I am describing. Remember the plasma's change in speed and flow rate is what dictates matters energy level.

I hope this is making sense to you guys....

I need to add one thing. You know the plasma streams that make up the hairs we see on the sun. Well if we were to excite our own atmosphere we would see the very same thing except not so dense. These hairs when big enough on the earth are what is responsible for Tornadoes and hurricanes. A bold statement I know. What happens is the plasma condenses quickly just at the first layer and dumps into the ground. The twisting happens because of the very same reason it happens on the sun. Except the Suns flow is outward and our flow is inward.

[willendure]

Coulomb force dipole posturing and gravity works anyway.

Hi Bengt,
We are all still patiently awaiting your coherent explanation as to why a neutral foil doesn't "weigh more" (or less) when you charge it, if a dipole-caused electric field is what causes gravity.

Thanks,
querious

not that I believe in dipole gravity but I think your answer is saturation. the foil cannot be easily saturated (because it will be destroyed on saturation) whereas a capacitor can be more readily (but still not efficiently) saturated and if I'm not mistaken a charged capacitor does indeed weigh less at least according to things I read.

so whether dipole or not it is still electrical unless you can account for the capacitor some other way. Personally I think its all about the sinks electrical draw when there isn't enough pressure to match the mass trying to reach equilibrium. That left over draw is gravity. a unidirectional second order electrical effect.

There is a voltage gradient above the surface of the earth. If a capacitor were sufficiently light and could hold enough charge, it may indeed float.

Of course, that does not mean that gravity is an electrical effect, just that a electrical repulsion is a force that can be made to work against the apparent force of an object being accelerated by gravity, and that could alter its weight.

[willendure]

I hope this is making sense to you guys....

No, it isn't. Its just some rubbish you made up.