EU and [climate, wandering stars, dark [energy, mass]]?

[BillHowell]

Richard Moore's presentation of "Pulsating universe and planet Earth" at the Electric Universe 2015 conference in Phoenix Arizona, 26Jun2015, tied concepts from the Electric Universe to climate cycles for glaciation, Dansgaard / Oeschger ice rafting events, and other events. It was a refreshing and thought provoking presentation, pregnant with great questions.

I quickly wrote up some comments related to his theme that may be of more general interest, as per http://www.billhowell.ca/Electric%20Uni ... Shaviv.pdf

Here are key items that may be of interest here, and which probably have already been commented on in the Thunderbolts forum:

1. Climate over the last billion years or so - Wandering around and bobbing up and down in the Milky Way
Jan Veizer and Nir Shaviv combined astronomical and geological data to construct an explanation of the great long-term climate cycles (say 70 to 140 My? - the 7 "ice box" geological periods and mass extinctions). Their concept is that the solar system "passes in-and-out of the spirals of the Milky Way". This leads me to the second point below.

2. Birkeland currents & apparent wandering of the stars?
I have long felt that the concept of the solar system "passing in-and-out of the spirals of the Milky Way" was strange. And here is perhaps an important point :
Perhaps it isn't only that the stars that spiral, but that several other phenomena may also occur :
• "compression waves" spiral through the stars faster than the stars themselves revolve around the Milky Way
• stars are only visible when "ignited" by the spiraling galactic currents. There may not be any voids - so much as there are dark-mode regions of the galaxy.

3. Saturn as the second Sun
Dwardu Cardona's emphasis on Saturn as being a captured brown dwarf star, could also find support by making a simple assumption of changes and disturbances of of our solar systems Birkeland current(s). Why not a secondary, temporal star, perhaps well-placed to take a current surge within our solar system, even for very long periods of time? For example, Z-pinch conditions might temporarily "light up" a planet, making it effectively a star for some length of time (with massive accretion of material or not), or would light up dormant or dwarf stars as the Birkeland current spirals through the solar system or galaxy. Visible stars become dark, and visa-versa, with a disconnect between the speeds of the spirals and the motion of the stars themselves (kind of like a "Birkeland wave"). That doesn't negate a Saturn capture, but instead may compliment it and make it much easier to support.

Why not extend the concept to Velikovsky's description of Mars and Venus (and even Venus-from-Jupiter)? Remember, even though solar system "catastrophes" are universally criticized, the energy requirements are trivial compared to what we see with supernova, or perhaps even with solar events. Even what we see from the sun today is probably trivial compared to historical events it has undergone (here the EU-mythology connection).

4. Climate at all timescales - Henrik Svensmark's Cosmic/Galactic Rays
More recently, work by Svensmark and others (see below) has been extended for at least a portion of the last glaciation cycle, and I think more if not most of the last 1 My. To me, and as a comment from a geologist who I consider to be perhaps Canada's greatest climate scientist (even though he's not a climate scientist), the cosmic-galactic ray theory (amplified by cloud cover, and to me probably many other mechanisms) is the best current descriptor of climate data on all scales, from days to perhaps 250 kY. Furthermore - this is a perfect fit to the EU themes!!

References :
Svensmark & Calder: "The Chilling Stars - A New Theory of Climate Change", - oops, I'm
missing the publisher, pages, ISBN, website etc...
Henrik Svensmark 2008 "Cosmic rays and Earth's Cloud Cover" Danish Space Research
Institute, Copenhagen www.dsri.dk/~hsv/

5. Dark matter & Energy - an Electric Universe explanation, inspired by Veizer/Shaviv
While many of the comments coming from the "Electric Universe" and "John Chapelle Natural Philosophy Society" (JC-NPS) are critical of the "dark [matter, energy]" situation, ironically I find that the EU context is the best I've seen for explaining dark matter - as simply being "dark plasma mode" regions of galaxies and intergalactic space in which the stars and planets are low-energy and invisible. Perhaps this could also provide the 20-fold or whatever ratio of dark matter and energy to what is out there. I'm neither defending nor attacking dark [energy, matter], just musing that EU is a nice potential explanation for it.

[katesisco]

Thinking about Sol as a red/brown dwarf as the idea of planetary solar switching is extreme?
Is there any reason why Sol could not have been a red giant with an expanded shell out to the asteroid belt? With all the inner planets in place with the exception of Venus which would be acquired when ejected from Sol?
After all we are talking about BC and these stream like rivers which also change course. There are other theories that have Jupiter birthing planets. If we follow the KISS principle wouldn't it call for Sol to be the dark dwarf? Scientists say there is the unexplained 'weak sun' in our planets history and it seems simpler to pose Sol as the energized body gaining electrons rather than a body entering and losing electrons.
NASA says the energy Sol and all solar system bodies are gaining is due to a 'high energy gas cloud' which for all we know could be the field surrounding a double/triple star system--Centauri A&B with Proxima or Sirius. Or even the field of the magnetar --very small magnetar--involved in one of these systems? Proxima? Alignments so strongly followed by our ancients? G Biltcliffe on Etruscans and their predecessors. Civilization One which identifies measuring systems on the arc of the Earth which disappeared in 17,900 bc called the Megalithic Yard.
This high energy would work to knit up the looseness. Remember weather keepers had determined Sol was substantially dimming. That was claimed to be the work of our penchance for technology but here we are luxuriating in high energy--flora and fauna flourishing, the new appearances of such also--and we even added to the smog!!
The results of this high energy would tend to make the looseness taut. Sol would be less prone to gift us with CMEs as she is a tighter version and thus when she did flare it would be a doozy.
AND there is V Zharkova's theory about the second magnetic field overlain on Sol: http://phys.org/news/2015-07-irregular- ... ynamo.html
I am thinking that was acquired during a massive energy flow creating an enveloping magnetic field: Kate's Cloak.
Those predecessors of the Etruscans? Results of high energy like NOW.

[Michael Mozina]

Richard Moore's presentation of "Pulsating universe and planet Earth" at the Electric Universe 2015 conference in Phoenix Arizona, 26Jun2015, tied concepts from the Electric Universe to climate cycles for glaciation, Dansgaard / Oeschger ice rafting events, and other events. It was a refreshing and thought provoking presentation, pregnant with great questions.

I quickly wrote up some comments related to his theme that may be of more general interest, as per http://www.billhowell.ca/Electric%20Uni ... Shaviv.pdf

Here are key items that may be of interest here, and which probably have already been commented on in the Thunderbolts forum:

1. Climate over the last billion years or so - Wandering around and bobbing up and down in the Milky Way
Jan Veizer and Nir Shaviv combined astronomical and geological data to construct an explanation of the great long-term climate cycles (say 70 to 140 My? - the 7 "ice box" geological periods and mass extinctions). Their concept is that the solar system "passes in-and-out of the spirals of the Milky Way". This leads me to the second point below.

2. Birkeland currents & apparent wandering of the stars?
I have long felt that the concept of the solar system "passing in-and-out of the spirals of the Milky Way" was strange. And here is perhaps an important point :
Perhaps it isn't only that the stars that spiral, but that several other phenomena may also occur :
• "compression waves" spiral through the stars faster than the stars themselves revolve around the Milky Way
• stars are only visible when "ignited" by the spiraling galactic currents. There may not be any voids - so much as there are dark-mode regions of the galaxy.

3. Saturn as the second Sun
Dwardu Cardona's emphasis on Saturn as being a captured brown dwarf star, could also find support by making a simple assumption of changes and disturbances of of our solar systems Birkeland current(s). Why not a secondary, temporal star, perhaps well-placed to take a current surge within our solar system, even for very long periods of time? For example, Z-pinch conditions might temporarily "light up" a planet, making it effectively a star for some length of time (with massive accretion of material or not), or would light up dormant or dwarf stars as the Birkeland current spirals through the solar system or galaxy. Visible stars become dark, and visa-versa, with a disconnect between the speeds of the spirals and the motion of the stars themselves (kind of like a "Birkeland wave"). That doesn't negate a Saturn capture, but instead may compliment it and make it much easier to support.

Why not extend the concept to Velikovsky's description of Mars and Venus (and even Venus-from-Jupiter)? Remember, even though solar system "catastrophes" are universally criticized, the energy requirements are trivial compared to what we see with supernova, or perhaps even with solar events. Even what we see from the sun today is probably trivial compared to historical events it has undergone (here the EU-mythology connection).

4. Climate at all timescales - Henrik Svensmark's Cosmic/Galactic Rays
More recently, work by Svensmark and others (see below) has been extended for at least a portion of the last glaciation cycle, and I think more if not most of the last 1 My. To me, and as a comment from a geologist who I consider to be perhaps Canada's greatest climate scientist (even though he's not a climate scientist), the cosmic-galactic ray theory (amplified by cloud cover, and to me probably many other mechanisms) is the best current descriptor of climate data on all scales, from days to perhaps 250 kY. Furthermore - this is a perfect fit to the EU themes!!

References :
Svensmark & Calder: "The Chilling Stars - A New Theory of Climate Change", - oops, I'm
missing the publisher, pages, ISBN, website etc...
Henrik Svensmark 2008 "Cosmic rays and Earth's Cloud Cover" Danish Space Research
Institute, Copenhagen http://www.dsri.dk/~hsv/

5. Dark matter & Energy - an Electric Universe explanation, inspired by Veizer/Shaviv
While many of the comments coming from the "Electric Universe" and "John Chapelle Natural Philosophy Society" (JC-NPS) are critical of the "dark [matter, energy]" situation, ironically I find that the EU context is the best I've seen for explaining dark matter - as simply being "dark plasma mode" regions of galaxies and intergalactic space in which the stars and planets are low-energy and invisible. Perhaps this could also provide the 20-fold or whatever ratio of dark matter and energy to what is out there. I'm neither defending nor attacking dark [energy, matter], just musing that EU is a nice potential explanation for it.

Topics, 1,2, and 4 are of interest to me personally, and I think you're basically right about dark matter being plasma.

http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpB ... =3&t=15850

With respect to topic 5, If you check out the confirmation bias thread on this page, you'll see that the mainstream *grossly* miscalculated the stellar mass of various types of galaxies in that 2006 lensing study, by a whopping factor of between 3 and 20 times depending on the type of galaxy and the size of the star. They also underestimated the number of stars between galaxies that were shared by the cluster. On top of all that, they found a "hot plasma cloud" in the million degree range that envelopes the entire galaxy and *far beyond* the galaxy, and rotates pretty much as 'predicted' by "dark matter" models. It's not even necessarily "dark" as that 2012 paper demonstrates.

http://phys.org/news/2016-07-hitomi-mis ... uster.html

We're finding plasma at almost unbelievable temperatures throughout the universe (50 million degrees Celsius). There are of course "currents" that sustain them at such high temperatures.

[upriver]

The problem with just adding plasma as "dark Matter" is that it interacts.... Dark matter is supposed to provide a force without providing extra matter/mass.


Wikipedia.
"If Newtonian mechanics is assumed to be correct, it would follow that most of the mass of the galaxy had to be in the galactic bulge near the center and that the stars and gas in the disk portion should orbit the center at decreasing velocities with radial distance from the galactic center (the dashed line in Fig. 1).

Observations of the rotation curve of spirals, however, do not bear this out. Rather, the curves do not decrease in the expected inverse square root relationship but are "flat", i.e. outside of the central bulge the speed is nearly a constant (the solid line in Fig. 1). It is also observed that galaxies with a uniform distribution of luminous matter have a rotation curve that rises from the center to the edge, and most low-surface-brightness galaxies (LSB galaxies) have the same anomalous rotation curve."

CDM
"In cosmology and physics, cold dark matter (CDM) is a hypothetical form of matter (a kind of dark matter) whose particles moved slowly compared to the speed of light (the cold in CDM) since the universe was approximately one year old (a time when the cosmic particle horizon contained the mass of one typical galaxy); and interact very weakly with ordinary matter and electromagnetic radiation (the dark in CDM).

Several discrepancies between the predictions of the particle cold dark matter paradigm and observations of galaxies and their clustering have arisen:

The cuspy halo problem: the density distributions of dark matter halos in cold dark matter simulations are much more peaked than what is observed in galaxies by investigating their rotation curves.[14]
The missing satellites problem: cold dark matter simulations predict much larger numbers of small dwarf galaxies than are observed around galaxies like the Milky Way.[15]
The disk of satellites problem: dwarf galaxies around the Milky Way and Andromeda galaxies are observed to be orbiting in thin, planar structures whereas the simulations predict that they should be distributed randomly about their parent galaxies.[16]
Some of these problems have proposed solutions but it remains unclear whether they can be solved without abandoning the CDM paradigm.[17]"

[celeste]

2. Birkeland currents & apparent wandering of the stars?
I have long felt that the concept of the solar system "passing in-and-out of the spirals of the Milky Way" was strange. And here is perhaps an important point :
Perhaps it isn't only that the stars that spiral, but that several other phenomena may also occur :
• "compression waves" spiral through the stars faster than the stars themselves revolve around the Milky Way
• stars are only visible when "ignited" by the spiraling galactic currents. There may not be any voids - so much as there are dark-mode regions of the galaxy.

Stars are not spiraling around the galaxy, that just comes from the interpretation of redshift as doppler shift only. What is happening for the sun, is there is a large scale current coming down through the galactic plane, as shown here http://www.solstation.com/x-objects/lchimney.jpg
the sun spirals around that chimney axis (as do the stars of Gould's belt),so yes, the sun does spiral up and down through the galactic plane.

The "compression waves", are just another ad hoc mechanism to explain the observed spiral structure of galaxies, intended just to address the issue,"why don't spiral arms of galaxies wind up?"

In fact, there is evidence that large scale currents flow along the arms of the Milky Way. That leads to secondary currents, which spiral around the arms on a helical path, and cut through the plane of the Milky Way. The local Chimney (in that solstation image), shows the path of one of these secondary currents, when it cuts through the plane of the Milky Way. Our solar system, which is in the confines of the Local Chimney,has a path dictated by that current flow. In other words, as we spiral around the Local Chimney axis, we do in fact "bob up and down" through the galactic plane.

[nick c]

and I think you're basically right about dark matter being plasma.

To add to upriver's comments above, the problem with that (dark matter being plasma) is that plasma is composed of baryonic matter. If there were enough plasma inserted into the areas where the gravity-only paradigm needs DM to be....in order to explain galactic motion and rotation, it would be detectable. Furthermore it would form into stars or be visible as molecular gas/plasma clouds. It is highly unlikely that mainstream's notion of dark matter could be explained by replacing it with plasma.

Dark matter is either:
1. some type of heretofore unknown and exotic type of matter, undetectable by anything other than the observed gravitational effects it produces.
Or
2. It is nothing at all; and the motions and rotations of galaxies are dominated by electric forces. Put another way, it is a figment of the imaginations of consensus science whose minds are welded to the notion that gravity is the only force of note in the cosmos.

Imhop it is of course, #2.

[Tusk]

Came across this video documentary of Svensmark Theory, an enthralling journey of enquiry that reflects and relates to EU theory on many levels both directly and indirectly, I highly recommend watching it.

The Cloud Mystery https://youtu.be/FMOIY-6sxL8

Galactic activity and its rotation influence or exposure to Cosmic rays. The solar magnetic field further influences the earths exposure to cosmic rays. The cosmic rays produce aerosols in our atmosphere and these drive cloud formation that is the biggest influence of climate change that can be collaborated with geological records, galactic alignments, fossil chemical temperature gradients etc.

It is an amazing body of work that was up against huge dogma inertia, and compliments EU theory.

The Universe is alive!