Possible "Squatter Man" at Gobekli Tepe

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Possible "Squatter Man" at Gobekli Tepe

Post by rockslag » Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:48 am

I have not seen this connection made elsewhere, sorry if I missed it. If not, someone here may be interested in this figure 13 from Schmidt 2010:
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"At Göbekli Tepe, distinctly feminine motifs are lacking from both the animal and human images. There is a single exception – a naked woman engraved on a stone slab placed between the so-called lions’ pillars (Schmidt 2006.235–237, Fig. 104) (Fig. 13). But it seems clear that this depiction is not part of the original decoration, but more probably belongs to a group of engravings which can be classified as graffiti (comp. pillar 10: Schmidt 2000.23, Fig. 10b)."

K. Schmidt, "Göbekli Tepe—the Stone Age Sanctuaries: New results of ongoing excavations with a special focus on sculptures and high reliefs," Documenta Praehistorica XXXVII (2010), 239–256: http://arheologija.ff.uni-lj.si/documen ... /37_21.pdf

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Re: Possible "Squatter Man" at Gobekli Tepe

Post by Dotini » Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:54 pm

rockslag wrote:I have not seen this connection made elsewhere, sorry if I missed it. If not, someone here may be interested in this figure 13 from Schmidt 2010:
Outstanding find, and a hearty welcome to the forum!

I've taken an interest in Gobekli Tepe, and have a slightly off-topic question for you if you wouldn't mind?

There is a T-pillar notable for several striking bird images carved in relief. But across the top of the pillar are 3 objects which are rectangular with curved arches above them. I interpret these shapes to be the same as similar objects seen in the hands of Mesopotamian gods carved in stone relief. I interpret these object as small baskets, likely seed baskets, although some refer to them as buckets. What do you think?

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Re: Possible "Squatter Man" at Gobekli Tepe

Post by rockslag » Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:24 pm

Dotini wrote:
rockslag wrote:I have not seen this connection made elsewhere, sorry if I missed it. If not, someone here may be interested in this figure 13 from Schmidt 2010:
Outstanding find, and a hearty welcome to the forum!

I've taken an interest in Gobekli Tepe, and have a question for you if you wouldn't mind?
I'm glad I could help out. You can ask me a question, but I doubt I know any more than you about the site than you. I just happened to notice this similarity awhile back. I was reminded of it when I ended up here trying to figure out why the ESA was acting like their lives depended upon saying 67P was made of ice.

It is interesting that they think it is graffiti, possibly people desecrating the place of the "gods who failed them" after a catastrophe?


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There is a T-pillar notable for several striking bird images carved in relief. But across the top of the pillar are 3 objects which are rectangular with curved arches above them. I interpret these shapes to be the same as similar objects seen in the hands of Mesopotamian gods carved in stone relief. I interpret these object as small baskets, likely seed baskets, although some refer to them as buckets. What do you think?
I think I'd be interested in seeing the pictures (both the Gobekli Tepe and Mesopotamian God images) you refer to.

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Re: Possible "Squatter Man" at Gobekli Tepe

Post by Dotini » Tue Nov 25, 2014 2:02 pm

At about the 2/3 mark is seen the Gobekli Tepe image I refer to.
http://beforeitsnews.com/blogging-citiz ... 48608.html

At this link, please see the 5th, 6th, 9th and 10th images.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer ... naki14.htm

In qualification to my earlier term of "gods", these depictions might also be interpreted as culture heroes or kings.
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Re: Possible "Squatter Man" at Gobekli Tepe

Post by rockslag » Tue Nov 25, 2014 2:46 pm

Dotini wrote:At about the 2/3 mark is seen the Goblekli Tepe image I refer to.
http://beforeitsnews.com/blogging-citiz ... 48608.html

At this link, please see the 5th, 6th, 9th and 10th images.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer ... naki14.htm
Interesting. First, It makes me wonder when buckets/pails/baskets/etc (containers with a curved handle) are supposed to have been invented. Second, all I can offer is sheer speculation.

If the Gobekli Tepe image depicts containers with handles then the right sides of the handles enter at an odd location. Perhaps instead the "handles" are rods made out of some flexible/springy material attached to the container at one end and free at the other. By pushing and releasing it could serve some function. Maybe they are attached to a door at the bottom of the container which opens and releases the ball that appears dropping towards the bird. Or maybe such a device could be used to stir something.

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Re: Possible "Squatter Man" at Gobekli Tepe

Post by Bomb20 » Wed Nov 26, 2014 11:52 am

I am sorry, but I have doubts here. At first we see the person in question is a woman and not a "Squatter Man".
And for me it looks like a rather normal and natural picture and is readily explained by a woman giving birth to a child. So it could be a type a fertility cult. I would like to see a "Squatter Man" but this picture is not convincing me.

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Re: Possible "Squatter Man" at Gobekli Tepe

Post by rockslag » Wed Nov 26, 2014 12:09 pm

Bomb20 wrote:I am sorry, but I have doubts here. At first we see the person in question is a woman and not a "Squatter Man".
And for me it looks like a rather normal and natural picture and is readily explained by a woman giving birth to a child. So it could be a type a fertility cult. I would like to see a "Squatter Man" but this picture is not convincing me.
It was what you call the "giving birth" aspect along with the orientation of the breasts that I found compelling. It does not really look that much like a child coming out, and the breasts need not have been drawn off to the side like that. But yes, it may be simply an image with similar features. Either way I wanted to bring it to the attention of those studying this phenomenon.

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Re: Possible "Squatter Man" at Gobekli Tepe

Post by seasmith » Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:02 pm

Dotini wrote:
At about the 2/3 mark is seen the Gobekli Tepe image I refer to.
http://beforeitsnews.com/blogging-citiz ... 48608.html

At this link, please see the 5th, 6th, 9th and 10th images.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer ... naki14.htm

In qualification to my earlier term of "gods", these depictions might also be interpreted as culture heroes or kings

The classical explanation for the 'pail' and 'cedar cone-looking' object, is that the god, or celestial messenger is carrying the elixir-drink, and soma-bread of life, as mentioned repeatedly in the Mesopotamian creation myths.


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Quetzalcoatl also carried the lunchbox to South America, so maybe it was a controller for some sort of life-support system, or container of the MEs:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Me_(mythology)

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I'm pretty sure those objects were discussed in the terminated Electric Universe-Origins of Myth board,
which can be accessed by clicking the last item in the drop-down menu of the "Jump to" box at
bottom right corner of any topic page:

http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewforum.php

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Re: Possible "Squatter Man" at Gobekli Tepe

Post by Krackonis » Thu Nov 27, 2014 11:27 am

rockslag wrote:
Bomb20 wrote:I am sorry, but I have doubts here. At first we see the person in question is a woman and not a "Squatter Man".
And for me it looks like a rather normal and natural picture and is readily explained by a woman giving birth to a child. So it could be a type a fertility cult. I would like to see a "Squatter Man" but this picture is not convincing me.
It was what you call the "giving birth" aspect along with the orientation of the breasts that I found compelling. It does not really look that much like a child coming out, and the breasts need not have been drawn off to the side like that. But yes, it may be simply an image with similar features. Either way I wanted to bring it to the attention of those studying this phenomenon.

Look up Sheela Na Gigs...

http://visualizingbirth.org/wp-content/ ... 79x360.jpg

Or better yet...

https://www.google.ca/search?q=sheela+n ... B274%3B350

This is the sqatter man symbol seen from a DIFFERENT ANGLE.

Just remember the latitude makes a big difference on how it appears. Also, of course, interpretation by those looking at it.

Man with two dots? Woman with breasts? Not really a stretch.
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Egyptian scarab beetle motif

Post by LunarSabbathTruth » Thu Jun 11, 2015 6:22 am

Is the Egyptian scarab beetle motif another depiction of the Squatter Man?

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Re: Possible "Squatter Man" at Gobekli Tepe

Post by stevepidge » Thu Jun 11, 2015 11:42 am

This particular image is very interesting for its alluding to creation and the possible observed plasma phenomena. Could these energies be responsible for transforming primitive beings into modern man?

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Re: Possible "Squatter Man" at Gobekli Tepe

Post by philalethes » Sat Jun 20, 2015 3:58 am

On Gobekli Tepe: now that we have the proof for much earlier higher civilizations that may have been washed away or buried by Proto-Saturn disruptions, it opens the possibility that pockets of these civilizations survived, and became the "elders" that jump started a new wave of re-civilizing.

Oral traditions may point back in some fuzzy memory of where these surviving pockets were. In the Hebrew tradition, their founder Abraham came from the city of Ur. The archeologist Leonard Wooley tried to place this close to Sumeria since the theory back then was that Sumeria was one of the "sources" of early civilization.

But the Hebrew tradition places Ur up in Turkey, now called SanliUR-fa, or Urfa in older texts. I just discovered that Gobekli Tepe is 8 miles outside of Sanliurfa, and so this, the oldest site we have found (so far) IS in the place once called UR. Interesting also that "ur" means "origin," as in German "Ur-sprach" (original language).

Am I reaching? There is tradition that tribes out of northern India called the Ibiru or Habiru migrated out of India. When you look into how and when the ancient Vedic civilizations along the Sarasvati river disappeared, we find that massive drought disrupted the ancient world about 1500 BC, causing people to abandon their cities and migrate. So they poured out of northern India into Turkey (Hittite empire) Canaan-Palestine, down into Egypt. This is known also as the invasion of the Sea Peoples who basically brought to an end the Hittite empire, and gob-smacked Egypt, ending the MIddle Kingdom. As I watch documentaries on the Sea Peoples those academics say they don't know why the Sea Peoples sudden invaded everywhere.

They seem not to be aware of the massive drought. Those who know of the drought don't know what brought it on. Mungoflix.com (Peter Jupp, an EU guy) goes into the works of Claude Schaeffer an archeologist who found layer after layer of evidence of cities leveled by forces of nature, not warfare. All in the same period.

With the Proto-Saturn viewpoint, 1500 BC was about the end of the "wars of the gods in heaven", and these final flares may have brought on the drought.

I have certainly drifted from from Gobekli Tepe (10,000 BC) to the crazed migrations in 1500 BC. But both display to me the effects of Proto-Saturn disruptions. In Gobekli Tepe no one knows why the people supposedly covered or buried the structures back up. But it may well be this rained from the sky. This also connects to the vast underground cave systems in Turkey. All in the area of UR, ancient homeland dimly remembered.

[ just this morning I remembered the story of the Flood and Noah. We have the ice-cap melting theory of the Flood at end of ice age; we have asteroid theory fond of by Hancock. But these seem to forget the 40 days and nights of rain rain rain associated with the story, which creates the flood. And this fits in with the idea that water also rained down from heaven from Proto-Saturn, in fact much of our oceans may have come DOWN from the sky onto earth!]

Moving on, as to the idea that electrical eruptions may have played some part in altering human consciousness, Peter Jupp also speculates on this in his Mungoflix. That 1500 BC Bronze Age world was crazed with warfare, almost like a mob psychology. And if you are interested in the kundalini phenomena, it is surely electrical; and when this energy is released in humans it expands or evolves their consciousness. So I see value in considering that electrical surges could indeed alter our nervous systems, either crazing us, or nudging toward a higher level of nervous re-organization.

For the final dollop into the mix, see the works of Michael Cremo and the evidence of much earlier appearances oh man. Mankind, in various earlier incarnations, may have achieved higher civilization a number of times. One of the implications is that IF pockets of these survived (in mountain fastnesses now mythologized as Shamballa type origin places) then traditions of "Elders" or "masters" who taught the younger humans, and who live quietly among us today, may have some basis outside of myth.

yeah, that was pretty effing rambly! There are a lot of pieces now coming together.

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Re: Possible "Squatter Man" at Gobekli Tepe

Post by neilwilkes » Sat Jun 20, 2015 9:51 am

philalethes wrote: Am I reaching? There is tradition that tribes out of northern India called the Ibiru or Habiru migrated out of India. When you look into how and when the ancient Vedic civilizations along the Sarasvati river disappeared, we find that massive drought disrupted the ancient world about 1500 BC, causing people to abandon their cities and migrate. So they poured out of northern India into Turkey (Hittite empire) Canaan-Palestine, down into Egypt. This is known also as the invasion of the Sea Peoples who basically brought to an end the Hittite empire, and gob-smacked Egypt, ending the MIddle Kingdom. As I watch documentaries on the Sea Peoples those academics say they don't know why the Sea Peoples sudden invaded everywhere.
Have you read Velikovsky's "Ages In Chaos" series? I am just finishing it for what will undoubtedly be just the first time and it's implications are that the Hittites never existed as 600+ years of Ancient Civilization is incorrectly dated because of the blind adherence to Manetho's lists which placed certain figures like Ramses III in the 12 century BC before we had learned to read the hieroglyphics that prove so much is mis-identified.
The Peoples of The Sea were early Greeks who sided with the Egyptians to throw off the Persian yoke before changing sides later - these battles are clearly inscribed at Medinet-Habu.
It's a fascinating reconstruction with a very wide range & worth looking at
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Re: Possible "Squatter Man" at Gobekli Tepe

Post by LunarSabbathTruth » Sun Jun 21, 2015 8:15 am

philalethes wrote:On Gobekli Tepe: ....
I have certainly drifted from from Gobekli Tepe (10,000 BC) to the crazed migrations in 1500 BC. But both display to me the effects of Proto-Saturn disruptions. In Gobekli Tepe no one knows why the people supposedly covered or buried the structures back up. But it may well be this rained from the sky. This also connects to the vast underground cave systems in Turkey. All in the area of UR, ancient homeland dimly remembered.
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I agree that the sand which covered Gobekli Tepe came from the sky. The "deliberate burial" theory is pretty lame, but at least archaeologists don't say that the citizens of Pompey deliberately buried their city; some recognition of catastrophes is better than none at all.

I think it was much more recent than 10000 BC. I do not believe any dating techniques other than historical references, due to the fact that the catastrophes themselves and the different initial conditions do not correspond to the assumptions made with those dating methods. (Even the counting of tree rings is inaccurate, because it assumes normal yearly conditions.)

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Re: Possible "Squatter Man" at Gobekli Tepe

Post by ElecGeekMom » Mon Jun 29, 2015 10:59 am

neilwilkes wrote:
Have you read Velikovsky's "Ages In Chaos" series? I am just finishing it for what will undoubtedly be just the first time and it's implications are that the Hittites never existed as 600+ years of Ancient Civilization is incorrectly dated because of the blind adherence to Manetho's lists which placed certain figures like Ramses III in the 12 century BC before we had learned to read the hieroglyphics that prove so much is mis-identified.
The Peoples of The Sea were early Greeks who sided with the Egyptians to throw off the Persian yoke before changing sides later - these battles are clearly inscribed at Medinet-Habu.
It's a fascinating reconstruction with a very wide range & worth looking at
Another book that deals with this is Moses in the Hieroglyphs .

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