Thornhill's Latest Gravity Presentation

[Bengt Nyman]

No way.

Fine, have it your way, but prove it before dismissing the alternatives.
I am still busy within our own reality.

[electricgravity1]

No way.

Fine, have it your way, but prove it before dismissing the alternatives.
I am still busy within our own reality.

>prove

This isn't maths or law. Its science & physics. We use evidence, proof doesn't exist.

In my post I stated exactly why NASA has not said big G is not a constant, but seems you cut that bit out because its inconvenient to your perception of reality, leaving just the 2 words you could deal with.

[jbignes5]

I am hoping this might gets to Mr. Thornhill,

I have been thinking about the Gravity situation and I think I might have got something.

Plasma flows you say? From the Sun in between hydrogen? Hmmm...

Plasma is all around our planet in layers, double layers if you will. Plasma has a density like water. The more you displace with marbles the higher the pressure right, in a given volume? Well matter displaces the plasma just like the marbles displace the water.

Think of above the surface of this planet that the sea's bottom is at the ionosphere and we are buoyant in the plasma ocean. We know there is plenty of plasma streaming off the Sun and we collect it by condensing it from space via charge leakage from the hydrogen plasma combo. Both the Sun and everything we see from our planet out there is streaming charges at us. Our Ionosphere is the result of that and that 365Kv shell is attracting plasma very well. The charged plasma condenses from the hydrogen pairs or globs and looses the charges as it condenses into our atmosphere. Kind of like cooling down does to steam.
This hydrogen condenses more plasma as it falls to the Earth and eventually gains a free Oxygen when the time is right. As the hydrogen falls the density of the plasma field drops because there is more matter the closer to the Earth you go. But the plasma never really disappears. It is always there in some density.
Ok so all matter is buoyant in this plasma field we call our atmosphere. We float to the ground like we float to the surface of the ocean.
By the way Water has plenty of plasma in it still. More then air. The plasma is the reason for waters ability to polarize as well and why it is an ultimate solvent. It is that because of the plasma being in between all matter to a degree.
Now think about this. Z-pinches don't just work on the solar and galactic scales. It works on the micro scale as well. It will work down to the smallest of scales we will ever contemplate looking at. This pinching is super sensitive from the inside of matter to the outside. The density changes of the threads of plasma and plasma wants to be balanced across space. When you condense it into matter it fills the matter up like a balloon and an enhanced conduction path is created. This is exactly what happens when you put a flame to metal. It increases in size or swells. When the plasma is so dense in the matter it will liquefy.
When you are looking at gravity and you know about the plasma we are receiving from our Sun then you should come to the same conclusion as well. Hopefuly..

Thanks for your time,
jbignes5

Reference to plasma and the voltage potential above ground when compared to the ground is almost proof positive that plasma is the medium of space, especially around our Earth.

[upriver]

Do Birkeland Currents have Torsion fields(gravity, force, kinetic, some sort of field)?
I dont think so. They are pretty much standard EM. There are several different forms of Birkeland currents.
There could be a single filament.
There could be a twisted pair.
There is also a situation observed by Cluster where a right hand rule filament is formed which then pinches off and turns into a field aligned filament due to inductance.

They have electric fields so that makes the plasma filament in contact with the "Aether".
But the voltage in the plasma filaments is so low that the torsion effects are not noticeable with our present tools. We dont even look for them but we do look for polarization. In Podkletnovs experiment he had macroscopic effects unlike Kozyrevs sensitive Rayon filament detector.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVK3bMNEELA
A comparison between the YBCO discharge experiments by E. Podkletnov and C. Poher, and their theoretical interpretations
https://arxiv.org/abs/1312.0958

I would say look at the Podkletnov stuff to get a good idea of what a Torsion field(gravity, force) might be... It seem its basically using high voltage to launch an evanescent wave(torsion field) from a superconductor interface.
A plasma filament is just a place in the plasma where the flow of electron has gotten high enough to form a right hand rule structure. There are other combinations of plasma and current that cause other structures.

So how do you differentiate between gravity, the electric force and any other kind of fields?

[Specificity]

If gravity had anything to do with dipoles, then a charged piece of foil should weigh differently than a non-charged one.

Apologies if this had already been covered.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqbAq_G6gUo

[Solar]

If gravity had anything to do with dipoles, then a charged piece of foil should weigh differently than a non-charged one.

Apologies if this had already been covered.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqbAq_G6gUo

Some other resources along this line of thought: According to Blaze Labs:

The idea of using electric field gradient to simulate gravity is found in NASA's approach to simulate fluid dynamics in Earth-like gravity field. Go to Google and search for: spherical capacitor nasa or GFFC. Then you will get several documents about experiments with spherical capacitors simulating gravity field conditions for studying behavior of fluids. Note that a spherical capacitor is the perfect shape to generate a non linear electric field gradient between its centre electrode and its inner surface. NASA does not explicitly state that gravity is electric field gradient, but they use the effect to just simulate gravity force. Blaze Labs: Does a non linear electric field gradient generate gravity?

Interested individuals can also Google "Weight loss in Capacitors".

Asymmetric capacitor Schlieren setup showing air currents.

Dielectrophoresis is also oddly interesting.

A thought: When applied to the Cosmos (because people obviously will do that) there is only one principle that I like about these effects. The implication would be that energy creation in The Cosmos would adopt an asymmetric function. That function would take advantage of what might be called the appearance of 'restoring forces' tending towards 'equilibrium'. In other words, due to an asymmetric creation of energy, all Motion would be the result of energy seeking towards 'balance', or seeking to become overall 'neutral'. The idea does not infer that The Universe Itself would be 'unbalanced' for who knows what It is(?); it simply infers that the continuous creation of energy would need to be ''slightly imbalanced'. As a result something like the Baryon Asymmetry Problem wouldn't actually be a "problem". Instead, the asymmetry (energy out of balance), would become an asymmetric energy function. I just get the *obviously subjective* impression that were energy actually overall neutral; nothing could Move around. Even the concept of "overall neutral" implies an interpretive generalization that manifestations of energy, tends to be idealized as symmetric - or 'balanced' only relative to some other active condition.

Nonetheless, these effects are known about.
Cheers

[willendure]

Interested individuals can also Google "Weight loss in Capacitors".

So the Earth has an electric field, and that can apply a force to a capacitor. That doesn't mean that gravity is that same electric field though - there just happen to be two things overlaid on top of each other, anmely gravity and an electric field.

It does seem possible that a capacitor could be built that has a large enough capacitance, its electric field aligned correctly to oppose the earths one, and made of light enough material. But we are talking about something quite different to an everyday object with an 'induced dipole'.

[Bengt Nyman]

The Coulomb force between two proton charges is 1.23398*10^36 times stronger than Newton mass gravity between two protons. The electric engines inside particles are enormous compared to what they share with other particles and with us. It would be very surprising if strong force, gravity, dark energy and dark matter are anything but varieties of electric energy.

[seasmith]

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Surprising indeed, although some of those "varieties" are more prime than others.

[Bengt Nyman]

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... "varieties" are more prime than others.

Which ones are you referring to ?

[seasmith]

Gravity, specifically.

[upriver]

The Coulomb force between two proton charges is 1.23398*10^36 times stronger than Newton mass gravity between two protons. The electric engines inside particles are enormous compared to what they share with other particles and with us. It would be very surprising if strong force, gravity, dark energy and dark matter are anything but varieties of electric energy.

And electricity is nothing more than a microscopic delivery vehicle for Kinetic energy...

My thought on why electricity is thought to be gravity or connected to gravity is that when you do something electrical in certain ways it has the effect of modifying the aether which the electric field emanates from and which gravity emanates from. So if you change the electric field it modifies the local aether which modifies gravity as it emanates from the aether next to the electric field.

In my model an electric field modifies absorption of gravity by a free object.

[Bengt Nyman]

My thought on why electricity is thought to be gravity or connected to gravity is that when you do something electrical in certain ways it has the effect of modifying the aether which the electric field emanates from and which gravity emanates from. So if you change the electric field it modifies the local aether which modifies gravity as it emanates from the aether next to the electric field.
In my model an electric field modifies absorption of gravity by a free object.

The above and certain magnetic phenomena makes it hard to discount the aether.

[jbignes5]

The electric field only serves to initiate the plasma flow twords the apex of the electric field. It is the flow of plasma moving twords that apex that results in gravity. Now what causes the potential that matter has. Quite simply it is the body of our solar bubble and the amount of plasma streaming in via our Sun's connection. You could think about the bubble as a segmented plasma body being divided by matter. The pressure of plasma works exactly like being under water. Because matter is not truly solid plasma filters into the matter giving it's seemingly limitless energy.
Gravity is not the electric field. It is a result of the electric fields effect on plasma. Gravity is the plasma in motion going twords the vacuum of plasma in matter. The electric field serves only one purpose in this effect. It guides the plasma to the vacuum's apex.
Now how does this work exactly. Well at each step away from ground the electric field gains in potential. This works in the other direction as well, to below ground. Above ground + voltage with the ionosphere being charged at +365k volts, ground 0 voltage, in the center of the Earth is -365k volts. This sets up an attractive shell to plasma which once attached to our local Earth bubble condenses or looses energy and becomes part of the bubble. This sheds all matter associated with the Plasma coming from the Sun. Mostly Hydrogen and Helium. Once attached to our bubble the hydrogen detaches from the gross plasma and looses energy in that process. This makes it want to maintain a balance and so attaches to a free Oxygen molecule creating Virgin water.
Check the history of this world, especially ancient history we are finding out now and you will see that our planet is gaining in water. The evidence is clear about this, with all the underwater cities we have found now. We are gaining in water every second of every day through this process.
Plasma is not a state of matter. It is what divides matter and what gives matter the ability to induce it's presence to the rest of the Universe.
In essence Plasma is the Aether.

[Bengt Nyman]

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Please define what your plasma consists of.
You mention hydrogen and helium. Plasma of hydrogen and helium consists of protons and neutrons. They are canon balls and are not likely to be flying around.
The aether is more likely to consist of much smaller primaries than protons and neutrons, and these aether primaries (aeries) are likely to have a composite charge = 0. They can still consist of polarized electrical energy, but the externally advertised charge, when not stimulated to act as dipoles, is likely to be = 0.
They are likely to be very small, have very low mass, making photons look like electrical bombs, and be hard to find.