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Re: Stephen Crothers’ Latest Numerology Presentation

Unread post by David » Fri Oct 30, 2015 5:14 pm

Stephen Crothers wrote: On vixra you lost all right of discussion due to your hostile and unscientific comments there. I hope you do not do the same here.
Do you really want to go there? My comments, which you describe as “hostile”, are if anything tame by comparison to the comments you have made to Dr. Gerhard ‘t Hooft, Dr. Roy Kerr, Dr. Malcolm MacCullum, and countless other respected scientists. I have just been following your lead. “A dose of your own filthy medicine”, as the “part-time amateur” once told a Nobel laureate.
Stephen Crothers wrote: In order to save everybody much time, I put to you the following simple questions for you to simply answer. Everybody however is welcome to answer them too, but since you David issued the challenge and seek to prove me wrong I expect you David to answer. A single word in answer to each question is all that is necessary.
Are you setting me up for a sucker punch? I will gladly answer your questions, but not with a simple ‘yes’ or ‘no’ response. I won’t fall victim to that transparent ploy.
Stephen Crothers wrote: If you refuse to answer then I take it that you have in fact no real intention of discussion.
Don’t be the least bit surprised when I quote that phrase right back to you; a double-edged sword that cuts both ways. We’ll soon see who refuses to answer.

But for now, I’ll start work on your little pop quiz. And also compile a list of my own questions that I have been eager to ask you. So stay tuned…

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Re: Stephen Crothers’ Latest Numerology Presentation

Unread post by comingfrom » Fri Oct 30, 2015 5:57 pm

Dear David,

I don't wonder why Mr Crothers backs out of discussion with you.

You are the one refusing [no intention] to discuss the topic, and staying on commenting against the person.

If you didn't want to keep it simple by giving Yes/No answers as requested,
you could have given your answers you would give to those questions, if your intention was to discuss the topic.
When questions are answered, the discussion can proceed.
Who you are discussing with can then speak to your offering.

But when you denounce the person, there isn't incentive for the person to continue,
who was looking for your answers to be able to progress the discussion of the topic at hand.

You were making an effort to discuss the topic, until Stephen posted.
Then you promised to "be all over it", but then refused.

I'm just stating the obvious, since you seem to not be able to see it.
With all due respect.
`Paul

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Re: Stephen Crothers’ Latest Numerology Presentation

Unread post by David » Fri Oct 30, 2015 6:23 pm

comingfrom wrote:I'm just stating the obvious, since you seem to not be able to see it.
And here's another "obvious" observation: you suffer from reading comprehension deficit. So here it is again, since it is "obvious" you missed it the first time:
David wrote: But for now, I’ll start work on your little pop quiz. And also compile a list of my own questions that I have been eager to ask you. So stay tuned…
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Re: Stephen Crothers’ Latest Numerology Presentation

Unread post by comingfrom » Fri Oct 30, 2015 6:30 pm

'Scuse my ignorance, but I'll still have a go.
(a) Does Tuv = 0 in the equations Ruv = 0?
To me, the question appears to be missing the word 'when'.

Does Tuv=0 in the equations when Ruv=0?

Not being a mathemetician, I cannot give the difinitive mathematical answer.
(Surely this question is for the mathematical challenger such as David, and it is a simply Yes/No question.)

From a non-mathematical point of view,
I believe the Universe does not contain empty space, and therefore find it hard to believe any of the values in the equations can = 0 at any location.

I believe all the space between matter contains at least some force fields.
(b) Do Einstein and his followers asset that a material source for his gravitational field is present in the universe described by Ruv = 0?

Everyone asserts material sources of gravity, and that the Universe contains much matter (sources).

I'm guessing a different understanding for Ruv for different people creates this conflict of notions.
If Ruv is simply the Radius, then Ruv=0 is simply the centre of gravity of a mass.
If Ruv is the inverse square of the Gaussian curvature, then it should never be 0.

The forces present at the location will induce some Gaussion curvature, even if infinitesimal.
(c) Does Tuv = 0 in the equations Ruv = /\guv where /\ is the so-called ‘cosmological constant’?
As mentioned before, I can't do the math. I don't fully understand it.
It just seems logical to me, that at least some stress-energy will exist at every location in the Universe, or Space/Time.
(d) Is de Sitter’s empty universe a solution for Ruv = /\guv?
Willem de Sitter's universe without matter is a solution for Eintein's equations of general relativity.
It supposedly predicts the rate of the expansion of the universe.

If the universe is in fact expanding.

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I had to look up de Sitter.
Having a go has already taught me something :P
And if I get some responses, I'll surely learn more.

Cheers
`Paul

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Re: Stephen Crothers’ Latest Numerology Presentation

Unread post by comingfrom » Fri Oct 30, 2015 6:37 pm

Thank you, David, for your speedy reply.
But for now, I’ll start work on your little pop quiz.
Is this your nice way of saying thank you to Stephen,
and letting us all know that you are going to answer his questions,
and are going to enter into discussion with him?
And also compile a list of my own questions that I have been eager to ask you.
We can hardly wait until you pop your questions.

:D

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Re: Stephen Crothers’ Latest Numerology Presentation

Unread post by noblackhole » Fri Oct 30, 2015 8:13 pm

For those not familiar with Einstein’s field equations, here they are:

Ruv – (Rguv)/2 + /\guv = -kTuv

The left side of the equation describes spacetime and its geometry, thus containing its curvature. Spacetime curvature is Einstein's alleged gravitational field. The right side describes the material sources that produce the spacetime curvature i.e. Einstein's 'gravitational field'.

Let's now specifically identify the parts of Einstein's field equations. Tuv is the energy-momentum tensor: it describes all the material sources that produce Einstein’s gravitational field. /\ is the so-called ‘cosmological constant’. Ruv is called the Ricci tensor, R is the Ricci scalar, guv is the metric tensor, and k is merely a constant.

Now, according to Einstein and his followers when Tuv = 0 and /\ = 0, then Einstein’s field equations reduce to Ruv = 0.

According to Einstein and his followers, when Tuv = 0 but /\=/= 0, then Einstein’s field equations reduce to Ruv = /\guv.

To show how the equations reduce under the specified conditions requires a little tensor calculus, but that is not necessary to understand the meaning of the components of the field equations and the relation between the left and right sides of Einstein's field equations. For the purposes of this discussion no calculations are needed.

I now refer all readers back to my four simple questions for David to answer. You can all consider them in light of the foregoing. They are not difficult questions and they are not trick questions. But to avoid having to scroll back a page, here they are again:

(a) Does Tuv = 0 in the equations Ruv = 0?
(b) Do Einstein and his followers asset that a material source for his gravitational field is present in the universe
described by Ruv = 0?
(c) Does Tuv = 0 in the equations Ruv = /\guv where /\ is the so-called ‘cosmological constant’?
(d) Is de Sitter’s empty universe a solution for Ruv = /\guv?

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Re: Stephen Crothers’ Latest Numerology Presentation

Unread post by David » Fri Oct 30, 2015 11:57 pm

Stephen Crothers wrote: a) Does Tμν = 0 in the equations Rμν = 0?
(b) Do Einstein and his followers asset that a material source for his gravitational field is present in the universe
described by Rμν = 0?
(c) Does Tμν = 0 in the equations Rμν = /\gμν where /\ is the so-called ‘cosmological constant’?
(d) Is de Sitter’s empty universe a solution for Rμν = /\gμν?
The problem with all of the above pop quiz questions is that they are so scant, poorly written and vague. Where did the details go? To properly answer the questions, you need to know if the equations refer to a point in space, a region of space, or everywhere (global). We are never told; it’s a guessing game.

All of the questions are trivial, and easily answered. But the scope of the equations is a major sticking point. Are the equations meant to be local or global?

If the equations are intended to be global in scope (that is, true everywhere in the universe), then we need to be told that.

Crothers appears to be under the mistaken impression that tensors have global values. But they don’t.

Tensors are location dependent. You have to specify where and when (remember, it is space-time), which is why tensors are formally written in this way:

Tμν (t, x, y, z) = 0
Rμν (t, x, y, z) = 0

You need values for the time and location variables: t, x, y, z. When and where do the equations apply?

I am reluctant to even attempt answering without first finding out some of the necessary details. I would suggest that Mr. Crothers re-write his questions in a way that eliminates the troublesome vagueness. One of the questions has only 4 words in it. Brevity stretched to the breaking point.

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Re: Stephen Crothers’ Latest Numerology Presentation

Unread post by Bomb20 » Sat Oct 31, 2015 1:34 am

Refusing answers is never a good idea. Sounds like Crothers:David 1:0.

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Re: Stephen Crothers’ Latest Numerology Presentation

Unread post by antosarai » Sat Oct 31, 2015 4:28 am

Bomb20 wrote:Refusing answers is never a good idea. Sounds like Crothers:David 1:0.
Didn't he answer? Isn't the answer "it depends" (on scope, location and time)?

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Re: Stephen Crothers’ Latest Numerology Presentation

Unread post by noblackhole » Sat Oct 31, 2015 6:52 am

It is now clear, from his latest remarks, that David has no intention of discussion, since he refused to answer my very simple questions in reply to his challenge. Therefore, there is nothing to discuss. For all other readers I will let Einstein and his followers answer the four simple questions I put to David. Here are Einstein’s field equations once again, for easy reference:

Ruv – (Rguv)/2 + /\guv = -kTuv

Recall that Tuv is the energy-momentum tensor which describes all the material sources of Einstein’s alleged gravitational field, /\ is the ‘cosmological constant’, Ruv is the Ricci tensor, R is the Ricci scalar, guv is the metric tensor, and k is just a constant. The left side describes Einstein’s spacetime and its curvature (geometry). It is the curvature of spacetime that Einstein alleges is gravity. This curvature is induced by the right side of the equations (material sources), since material sources are the cause of Einstein’s gravitational field.

(a) Does Tuv = 0 in the equations Ruv = 0?

ANSWER: Yes.

Einstein’s equation, (7.26), should be exactly valid. Therefore it is interesting to search for exact solutions. The simplest and most important one is empty space surrounding a static star or planet. There, one has
Tμν = 0.

‘t Hooft, G., Introduction to General Relativity, online lecture notes, 8/4/2002,
http://www.phys.uu.nl/thooft/lectures/genrel.pdf
http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~hooft10 ... l_2013.pdf

The Einstein equations in the absence of matter are Ruv = 0.”
Dirac, P.A.M., General Theory of Relativity, Princeton Landmarks in Physics Series, Princeton
University Press, Princeton, NJ, 1996.

The vacuum field equations describe the metric structure of empty space surrounding a massive body. In the consideration of empty space where no matter or energy is present, we set Tab = 0. In this case, the field equations become Rab = 0.
McMahon, D., Relativity Demystified, A Self teaching Guide, McGraw-Hill, New York, 2006.

the empty spacetime field equations are Ruv = 0.
Foster, J., and Nightingale, J. D., A Short Course in General Relativity, 2nd ed., Springer-Verlag, 1994.

The law Guv = 0 in empty space is chosen by Einstein as his law of gravitation.
Eddington, A. S., The mathematical theory of relativity, Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, 2nd edition, 1960. (NOTE: Eddington uses the kernel G for the Ricci tensor and Ricci scalar, not R.)


(b) Do Einstein and his followers asset that a material source for his gravitational field is present in the universe described by Ruv = 0?

ANSWER: Yes.

See ‘t Hooft, and McMahon, in (a) above, for example. Also, Einstein refers to the solution for Ruv =0 as follows:

ds2 = (1 – A/r)dl2 – [dr2/(1 – A/r) + r2(sin2θ dφ2 + dθ2)] (109a)

A = kM/4π

M denotes the sun’s mass centrally symmetrically placed about the origin of co-ordinates; the solution (109a) is valid only outside this mass, where all the Tμν vanish.

Einstein, A., The Meaning of Relativity, expanded Princeton Science Library Edition, 2005


(c) Does Tuv = 0 in the equations Ruv= /\guv where /\ is the so-called ‘cosmological constant’?

ANSWER: Yes.

the more general possibility for the field equations in empty space Ruv = /\guv.
Tolman, R. C., Relativity Thermodynamics and Cosmology, Dover Publications Inc., New York, (1987)

We take the latter form of Einstein’s law Guv = /\guv in empty space, /\ being a universal constant …”
Eddington, A. S., The mathematical theory of relativity, Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, 2nd edition, 1960. (NOTE: Eddington uses the kernel G for the Ricci tensor and Ricci scalar, not R.)


(d) Is de Sitter’s empty universe a solution for Ruv = /\guv?

ANSWER: Yes.

De Sitter’s world thus corresponds to the revised form of the law of gravitation Guv = /\guv
Eddington, A. S., The mathematical theory of relativity, Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, 2nd edition, 1960. (NOTE: Eddington uses the kernel G for the Ricci tensor, not R)

the de Sitter line element corresponds to a model which must strictly be taken as completely empty.
Tolman, R. C., Relativity Thermodynamics and Cosmology, Dover Publications Inc., New York, 1987.

This is not a model of relativistic cosmology because it is devoid of matter.” [3]
d’Inverno, R., Introducing Einstein’s Relativity, Oxford University Press, 1992.

the solution for an entirely empty world.
Eddington, A. S., The mathematical theory of relativity, Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, 2nd edition, 1960.

there is no matter at all!
Weinberg, S., Gravitation and Cosmology: Principles and Applications of the General theory of Relativity, John Wiley & Sons, Inc., 1972.

CONCLUSIONS

Thus, as explained in my article,

Crothers, S. J., To Have and Not to Have - the Paradox of Black Hole Mass, 12 August, 2015,
http://vixra.org/pdf/1508.0106v1.pdf

according to Einstein and his followers a material source is both present and absent, in different universes respectively, by means of the very same mathematical constraint for material sources, namely, Tuv = 0. Since that is impossible, and since de Sitter’s empty universe contains no material sources because Tuv = 0, the universe described by Ruv = 0 also contains no material sources. But it is from the solution for Ruv = 0 that the black hole was generated by the cosmologists. Hence, the black hole is a fallacy. Einstein’s claim that his Ruv = 0 describes his gravitational outside a body such as a star is false, owing to contradiction of de Sitter’s obviously empty universe, and the very nature of his 'field equations'.

Stephen J. Crothers

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Re: Stephen Crothers’ Latest Numerology Presentation

Unread post by David » Sat Oct 31, 2015 7:48 am

noblackhole wrote:It is now clear, from his latest remarks, that David has no intention of discussion, since he refused to answer my very simple questions in reply to his challenge. Therefore, there is nothing to discuss.
It wasn’t hard to predict that this was coming. Mr. Crothers' methods are so transparent. His questions can’t be answered without first knowing the initial conditions.

Are the equations meant to be static or time varying? He doesn’t say.

What region of space do the equations apply to (local or global)? We are never told.

Conclusion:

Mr. Crothers can’t write a proper question. Keep it vague is his motto.

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Re: Stephen Crothers’ Latest Numerology Presentation

Unread post by querious » Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:40 am

Mr. Crothers,
I'd love to get your take on Wal's "dipole gravity" idea.
Querious

If you consider this offtopic to this thread, you can answer in...http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/forum/phpB ... =3&t=15913

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Re: Stephen Crothers’ Latest Numerology Presentation

Unread post by David » Sat Oct 31, 2015 9:07 am

querious wrote:Mr. Crothers,
I'd love to get your take on Wal's "dipole gravity" idea.
Yes, good question! Mr. Crothers, give us your take on Thornhill's theory? Do you support his theory?

And also, give us your take on the Einstein-Cartan-Evans theory proposed by your colleague Myron Evans? Do you support his theory?

You are closely associated with both Thornhill and Evans. Go on the record, right now, and tell us if you support their theories? Yes or no?

And need I remind you of this recent statement:
Stephen Crothers wrote: If you refuse to answer then I take it that you have in fact no real intention of discussion.

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Re: Stephen Crothers’ Latest Numerology Presentation

Unread post by Eaol » Sat Oct 31, 2015 11:32 am

antosarai wrote:
Bomb20 wrote:Refusing answers is never a good idea. Sounds like Crothers:David 1:0.
Didn't he answer? Isn't the answer "it depends" (on scope, location and time)?
All David wanted was clarification. It's not a refusal to answer if he said he'd answer once provided clarification. Instead, Crothers jumped to the conclusion that David didn't want to talk at all. There's little in David's comments to suggest that. This kind of behavior is extremely frustrating.

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Re: Stephen Crothers’ Latest Numerology Presentation

Unread post by querious » Sat Oct 31, 2015 12:26 pm

David wrote:What region of space do the equations apply to (local or global)? We are never told.
David,
You said tensors can't be global. So why do you need to know if the equations apply globally?

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