Magnetism in Space

[rosy]

I'm new to this forum, in fact its the first forum I've ever joined. My interest stems from a long standing intellectual distaste for dark matter, and since I do not have a scientific background, I felt like I simply didnt have the tools to think very deeply about it (a "they must be right" phenom). I am headed down to the SNOWPAC conference at Snowbird ski resort for the Harvard/U or Utah weeklong seminar on astrophysics, and fell into this site.

My major disagreement with conventional astrophysics is the proposition that because galaxies rotate so fast, too fast to presumably keep their outer layers intact, that dark matter must exist in globs to keep these things intact.A while ago, after reading about dark matter, I began to consider why simple magnetism couldn't explain this in a much simpler fashion, whereby a black hole becomes a sort of bi-polar super magnet that exerts a binding effect on the rotating masses equal to their inherent "torque" or propensity to fly off into the hinterlands.

I was thus thrilled to find this site and its discussion of EU etc. It has really made by day, week, year.

Dave

[Solar]

I'm new to this forum, in fact its the first forum I've ever joined. My interest stems from a long standing intellectual distaste for dark matter, and since I do not have a scientific background, I felt like I simply didnt have the tools to think very deeply about it (a "they must be right" phenom). I am headed down to the SNOWPAC conference at Snowbird ski resort for the Harvard/U or Utah weeklong seminar on astrophysics, and fell into this site.

My major disagreement with conventional astrophysics is the proposition that because galaxies rotate so fast, too fast to presumably keep their outer layers intact, that dark matter must exist in globs to keep these things intact.A while ago, after reading about dark matter, I began to consider why simple magnetism couldn't explain this in a much simpler fashion, whereby a black hole becomes a sort of bi-polar super magnet that exerts a binding effect on the rotating masses equal to their inherent "torque" or propensity to fly off into the hinterlands.

I was thus thrilled to find this site and its discussion of EU etc. It has really made by day, week, year.

Dave

Err ... yes; well, that sort of critical thinking is quite at home here so, welcome aboard!! Things of note that you may have seen:

Holoscience - excellent articles and the "Search" function is quite useful.

Thunderbolts Picture of the Day - same as above and with its great Subject Archive

The Electric Sky - a brief but well informed presentation of the hypothesis for an electric/electromagnetic/ Plasma Sun and Stars in general (see "Electric-Cosmos Pages" bottom left in the categories)

Feel free to chime in and ask ?'s. WE try to stay on the thread topic. 'Try' being the operative word. Ahem

[flyingcloud]

Hi JJ, found you an image:

thanks for that image,

I find that to be quite similar to uncoiling a tube or pulling a tube through a hole in some other medium
the dielectric (thanks again JL)
anyway I was running some pex tubing through my floor joists from a coil and the energy that manifests itself within the coil to retain some rigidity is quite similar to the z-pinch affect
spring, snap, crimp, z-pinch
it seems to have as much to do with the casing, the confinement as it does with the concentaration of that which is contained therein

[GaryN]

Re: Magnetism in Space

by Solar » Thu Mar 18, 2010 6:02 am
Harry, keeping in mind the differences between a "gas" and plasma, is the following more along the lines of what you're suggesting with regard to 'condensed matter' ?:

The Solar Photosphere: Evidence for Condensed Matter

A High Temperature Liquid Plasma Model of the Sun

Hi Solar, that link for the Liquid Plasma Model didn't work, so I googled and found it at:

http://www.ptep-online.com/index_files/ ... -08-12.PDF

Quite interesting, I thought.

[jjohnson]

Hi, Gary,
This is a REALLY interesting paper. Thank you! This writer should be contacted and informed of our Forum. I started reading, and when he said "liquid plasma" I thought "metals" and instantly said "metallic hydrogen" to myself, since hydrogen is the most abundant element present in the Sun, and most stars. Later he gets into metallic hydrogen, which I thought had to be both very cold and under high pressure.

Out of curiosity recently I have been fooling with pressure calcs of an all-liquid body, but frankly was thinking in terms of a body the size of the Earth, with water as the primary (only) medium present. Scaling up to a star did not occur to me. Liquid plasma sounds like an oxymoron, like "solid gas" - I have learned here that plasma, although made up of the same electrons, neutrons and protons as all matter, is in a fourth state, in that it reacts most strongly to the EM forces and does not necessarily expand to fill its container and doesn't pass other tests for the three states of condensed matter. Is liquid tin (like what melted glass is poured out on to flatten and cool in the glass industry) actually a plasma? Anyone know? If it still is as good a conductor as in the solid state, maybe it should be considered a plasma just like the electrical wiring in our houses is - free electrons in an otherwise bound ion lattice.

What about cool sunspots, of which I found no mention, in Robitaille's paper? That sounds like a deal-breaker unless he has a plausible explanation for them, which I think our model does.

Perhaps a liquid plasma is possible in this context, but am also not sure if the conditions throughout the Sun would thus be conducive to fusion as he alleges (I'm no fusion scientist to say the least). However, it might be helpful if he could consider the electric model with whatever fusion products there are as being instigated from the high temperatures of an exterior power source. On the other hand, we have to give his idea some serious and respectful consideration, too: could there be fusion reaction more or less throughout the solar interior at lower pressure, and would it yield the observable results?

Ve-e-ery eenterestingk, as Artie Johnson used to say on Laugh-in.

I'll e-mail a hello to him/her at his listed e-mail address and let you know if I hear back, and if so, what.

Jim

[Harry Costas]

G'day

Although plasma is the 4th state of matter many forget that 0ver 90% of matter exist as dense nuclear matter found in compact cores.

[Harry Costas]

G'day

This paper maybe of interest

http://arxiv.org/abs/1005.5519
New theorem of classical electromagnetism: equilibrium magnetic field and current density are zero inside ideal conductors

Authors: Miguel C. N. Fiolhais, Hanno Essen, C. Providencia, Arne B. Nordmark
(Submitted on 30 May 2010)

Abstract: We prove a theorem on the magnetic energy minimum in a system of perfect, or ideal, conductors. It is analogous to Thomson's theorem on the equilibrium electric field and charge distribution in a system of conductors. We first prove Thomson's theorem using a variational principle. Our new theorem is then derived by similar methods. We find that magnetic energy is minimized when the current distribution is a surface current density with zero interior magnetic field; perfect conductors are perfectly diamagnetic. The results agree with currents in superconductors being confined near the surface. The theorem implies a generalized force that expels current and magnetic field from the interior of a conductor that loses its resistivity. Examples of solutions that obey the theorem are presented.

This theory is also discuused in Chiral Symmetry breaking search in arxiv.

Chiral Symmetry Breaking 2010
http://aps.arxiv.org/find/all/1/all:+AN ... /0/all/0/1

[MGmirkin]

It's just logically absurd to expect a magnet field line to "open", then "flap around", then "reconnect". It's a vector field... a cloud.. a fog..

Yep...

I'll point in the direction of the University of Texas' Classical Electrodynamics course(s) again (I'm sure I've quoted them before):

http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/e ... ode35.html

all steady magnetic fields in the Universe are generated by circulating electric currents of some description. Such fields are solenoidal: that is, they never begin or end, and satisfy the field equation

nabla * B = 0

This, incidentally, is the second of Maxwell's equations. Essentially, it says that there is no such thing as a magnetic monopole.

http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/e ... ode37.html

steady electric and magnetic fields cannot generate themselves. Instead, they have to be generated by stationary charges and steady currents. So, if we come across a steady electric field we know that if we trace the field-lines back we shall eventually find a charge. Likewise, a steady magnetic field implies that there is a steady current flowing somewhere. All of these results follow from vector field theory (i.e., from the general properties of fields in three-dimensional space), prior to any investigation of electromagnetism.

So, I agree with you whole-heartedly...

Cheers,
~Michael Gmirkin

[Harry Costas]

G'day MGmirkin

Please excuse my posting of papers.

I thought this may be of interest, the ABS kind of explains the meaning.

http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-ph/0703294
Dynamics with Vector Condensates at Finite Density in QCD and Beyond

Authors: V.A. Miransky
(Submitted on 28 Mar 2007 (v1), last revised 7 Nov 2007 (this version, v2))

Abstract: I describe the dynamics in recently revealed phases with vector condensates of gauge fields in dense QCD (gluonic phase) and other gauge models. In this case, the Higgs mechanism is provided by condensates of gauge (or gauge plus scalar) fields. Because most of the initial symmetries in such systems are spontaneously broken, their dynamics is very rich. In particular, by using the Ginzburg-Landau approach, the existence of a gluonic phase with both the rotational symmetry and the electromagnetic U(1) being spontaneously broken was established. In other words, this phase describes an anisotropic superconductor. In the dual (confinement) description of this dynamics in dense two-flavor QCD, there are light exotic vector hadrons in the spectrum, some of which condense. There are also vortex-like and roton-like excitations in these phases.