Science for Survival

[Lloyd]

* If the world economy is collapsing due to incompetence or intention, how can the economy and civilization be rebuilt and made safe from incompetence or inhumane intention?
* The question before that might be: Is the world economy collapsing?
* And afterward: What economic science principles can let us achieve space colonization?

[GaryN]

* And afterward: What economic science principles can let us achieve space colonization?

Might not be a matter of money, Lloyd.

"As clearly outlined by the researchers, we are unlikely to remain healthy when leaving earth for prolonged periods," said Luis Montaner, Editor-in-Chief of The Journal of Leukocyte Biology. "Unfortunately, because spacecraft technology is way ahead of our understanding of how to maintain human health, disease-free survival after reaching Mars or establishing a colony on the Moon may be problematic."

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 141251.htm

[Lloyd]

* Conventional medicine is as much in the dark about health as the rest of science is in the dark about almost everything else. See http://mercola.com, http://herbdoc.com, http://curezone.com etc for the best info on health. Also my site, http://nhc.lefora.com.

[Lloyd]

* To answer the question, Is the world economy collapsing?, it certainly seems to be according to http://solari.com and http://larouchepac.com.
* Catherine Fitts owns the solari.com website. She was undersecretary of Housing in the early 90s. The fact of high-level govt corruption dawned on her somewhat gradually. In a paraphrased article here http://pww.lefora.com/2009/10/31/cia-threat/page1, she considers that the source of the corruption was two laws enacted in 1947 and 49, which gave intelligence agencies a free hand to take taxpayer money secretly without any accounting via other govt agencies, such as from the Housing Administration. She said they have used this free money to manipulate all of the markets for a globalist agenda.
* If all that is true, then one thing that would have to be done is to stop giving black ops free access to taxpayer money. But, to do that, Congress would have to become persuaded of the problem, which ordinarily would likely be very hard to accomplish.
* However, the LaRouche org says that the town hall meetings that started in August, when the health care plan was first submitted, as well as subsequent tea parties etc, are evidence of a mass strike by the common people, who are fed up with Congress and the Administration giving away taxpayer money to special interest, with nothing to show as benefits for the common people.
* So, if the people really are fed up and are determined to stop the rot in the govt, then perhaps a better Congress will be elected before long, who will consider ending the subversiveness of black ops etc.
* I've heard we're asked not to discuss politics or religion on TB, so let's stick with economics and how to use economic science and other sciences to improve civilization and space colonization. Eh?

[Lloyd]

* Here's a website I forgot to mention: http://michael-hudson.com. One of his main points seems to be that usury, or interest on loans, inevitably ends up taking away all of the possessions of one group and giving them to another, i.e. the bankers. So he says there has to be debt forgiveness in order to keep any economy running smoothly, or there has to be alternatives to usury.
* Maybe I need to ask a programmer in the house if they'd try simulating an economy to see what would bring prosperity and optimum scientific advancement. Have such simulations already been done?

[moses]

If one is going to build another society then it's clear to me that neither prosperity or scientific advancement are useful. We need to change. It's that simple. We need the time to change. If we are in the rice fields all day then that would impede change. So there is simplicity and efficiency. The pursuit of prosperity or scientific advancement directs the mind away from change. Because change involves the exploration of our basic fears. And the other helps repress these fears.
Mo

[GaryN]

Satifaction levels with Free Market Capitalism.



The French have been through this before.

The government was taxing common people regularly and paying half of its revenues to cover debts owed to aristocrats and other lenders.

In Paris, people had been blaming the old order, hoarders and greedy merchants or the rich in general for their troubles.

Of course there was more to it than that.

http://www.fsmitha.com/h3/h33-fr.html

I searched for beheading guillotines, couldn't find a manufacturer, but apparently 10,000 were imported into the US in the 1990s.

NWO cabal is importing Guillotines (beheading devices)to the USA and installing them in camps, some of them are supposedly underground facilities. Some say they imported more than 10.000 of them along with mobile prisons, which would be used in case of public unrest after martial law is declared.

Hey, it's on the Internet, it must be true!

[junglelord]

http://www.infowars.com/dollar-will-be- ... rld-order/

[GaryN]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPmrWwNeuKE

[junglelord]

If you watch gold, like I do, and have for five years, then you will quickly understand that the US dollar is doomed.
http://www.goldprice.org/gold-price-history.html

gold is now an unprecedented 1100 and climbing.
I told all my friends the prime mortgage bubble was coming.
Hell, I even told my bank investment dude, a year before it crashed.
I am batting 100%, so mark my words, the North American currency is coming very quickly, if not a world currency.

The US dollar is already dead, its just a matter of time till they bury it.

Carbon tax credits are just another ponzi scheme. Al Gore is a going to become a billionaire on carbon tax credit exchanges....they care nothing for the enviorment, just their precious power and money.

Best 3.5 hours I ever spent.
FALL OF THE REPUBLIC
http://www.spywitnessnews.org/content/f ... rsion-2009

The sad truth is that most people still believe the government is for the people, of the people, by the people. Its clear to me that indeed the entire upper levels of government are controlled by forces outside the constitution.

Follow the money, thats where the power and the corruption lies.

The Fall of the Republic is the last piece of evidence of a very corrupt system, world wide, lead by bankers, governed by the Rothchilds to be specific. I believe that they have dumbed us all down, thats what I believe. The common man of the world is in the grip of a very powerful drug that has blurred his reason and they have DECEIVED THE NATIONS, with their public education and TV. Carbon Tax, Global Warming, Nobel Prize...Al Gore got the idea from the man who ran Enron...and we all know about Enron. Its the next step in total control via another derivitive scheme. You were warned before...watch this documentary alone with the Fall of the Republic.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/warning/

You do the math...34 trillion in the bailout so far...with no accountability, thats INSANE. Remember the most famous bible quote...You will not buy or sell without the mark of the Beast. I believe that the Rothchilds are the beast. Soon they will make a world currency...then they will chip you...JUST YOU WATCH AND MARK MY WORDS OF WARNING.

Public news is mind manipulation, meanwhile in plain site, the unconstitutional government acts of torture, illegal wars, control of drug smuggling via the CIA, a Federal Reserve that is run by the Banksters, whos behind the government pulling the strings to make the puppet dance, why can banks steal and then get more for stealing? The list is endless. Tow the party line, two party choice, global warming, carbon tax, dark matter, dark energy...its all the same.

In the end you would think the world is mad and the common man is so bainwashed, that they die in the name of piece of dirt, or a change of accent or the colour of your shirt....better the pride that decides, in the citizen of the world, then the pride that divides, when a colourful flag is unfurled.

Fall of the Republic is worth every minute of education.

The real problem is getting the truth out there.
Like the EU, its hard to discuss it outside this forum.
They shut it down all the time, like we are mad... going on and on about the dark matter that consumes their very ability to think....indeed we are in perilous times.

Indeed the TIME IS NOW...to take back Constitutional Powers. Soon the world will be subservent to the Carbon Tax Credit System...imagine, one of the four building blocks of life is now a Tax and dangerous to global warming....

What dark matters indeed.
What dark energy has created this monster of a lie?
That can be summed up in one to two words, GREED & CONTROL, via a world currency and a biometric chip. You will not buy or sell without the mark of the beast.

They want all the money and they must control you as well.
That is what they want and that is what they will achieve unless we wake up from this nightmare of insanity.

[davesmith_au]

Politics by any other name, is still politics.