The E/M Fields of Solar System Bodies

[StevenO]

I just like to remind the EU proponents to carefully study Miles Mathis' discoveries, a.o.:

THE E/M FIELDS of SOLAR SYSTEM BODIES

In other papers I have reminded the reader that planets and moons appear to have strong exclusionary fields, even when they do not have strong magnetic fields. How can a planet like Venus exclude the Solar Wind without a strong magnetosphere?

The current upper limit on the size of the magnetosphere of Venus is 10,000 times smaller than that of the Earth. In addition, “There are no belts of trapped radiation such as Earth's Van Allen belts, and there is no 'magnetotail' composed of fields of planetary origin.”

The current explanation of this is not really an explanation, it is only a word: an “induced” magnetosphere. The ionosphere of Venus creates a boundary called an ionopause, and this creates the same bowshock as would a magnetosphere.

That is it. That is the whole explanation. Current scientists never attempt to answer the gigantic begged questions, such as,


1) How do these ions repel the Solar Wind, if they are not strongly magnetic?
2) If an ionosphere is enough to repel the Solar Wind, why do we not assign the Solar Wind exclusion by the Earth to its ionosphere, by this “induced” field? If the ionosphere is capable of exclusion, why give the Earth’s bowshock to the magnetosphere?
3) Why does Venus create non-magnetic ions, while the Earth creates magnetic ones?
4) Why are non-magnetic ions just as good as magnetic ones, in excluding the Solar Wind.

And so on. Obviously, the standard model doesn’t try to answer this, because they have no way to do so. They can begin to answer question number 3 by proposing that the Earth’s interior is different than Venus’, but they have no proof of that one way or the other. On the other questions, the standard model mostly admits ignorance, which is refreshing.

The answer to number 2 is that we give the bowshock to the magnetosphere when we are looking at the Earth, due to the fact that we do see “a magnetotail of planetary origin.” It is clear that the magnetosphere causes the exclusion, and not the ionosphere.

But for the rest, it is a mystery. The current gravitational and E/M theories don’t have the tools to solve it. Current theory has no mechanical explanation of the E/M field, but we require a mechanical explanation in order to solve this problem. Obviously, it is not a problem we can solve with virtual photons or messenger photons.

As another example, the Encyclopedia of the Solar System2 explains this phenomenon this way: "If conducting paths exist across the planet's interior or ionosphere, then electric currents flow through the body and into the solar wind, where they create forces that slow and divert the incident flow." Then the authors tell us that Venus and Mars have these paths, but the Moon doesn't. But we are never told how the body creates these paths, or why Venus should have them but the Moon should not. We have a theory with no mechanics. We are shown a diagram where the wind is diverted, but we are given no reason for the diversion. Proof by diagram. At the very least we could be given a bald theory for why the Moon blocks such a path, but we get nothing. Nor do we get an answer to the begged question: "Given this conducting path through the body of Venus, why are unmagnetized ions conducted but not magnetized ions? A through field like this should create a magnetic difference or potential, not just an electrical difference. Why no magnetic field?"
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For the complete article, read The E/M Fields of Solar System Bodies.

[earls]

Their explanation would actually make sense if the cores were "superconductors." A big if.

[longcircuit]

A couple of questions :
1. What are "magnetic ions," as distinct from "non-magnetic ions"?
2. What does Mathis mean by "exclusionary fields"? Are they "force fields" of some sort? If so, what "force" composes them?

longcircuit

[junglelord]

A couple of questions :
1. What are "magnetic ions," as distinct from "non-magnetic ions"?
2. What does Mathis mean by "exclusionary fields"? Are they "force fields" of some sort? If so, what "force" composes them?

longcircuit

I know that one, they are exactly as mentioned. Ions have electric charge, but are not necessarily magnetic. Simple enough.

[longcircuit]

Thanks for the quick reply, junglelord.

longcircuit wrote:
[...]
1. What are "magnetic ions," as distinct from "non-magnetic ions"?
[...]

I know that one, they are exactly as mentioned. Ions have electric charge, but are not necessarily magnetic. Simple enough.

I know: ions have a positive or negative electric charge. What I don't know: how does an ion become magnetic? Also, what does it mean for ions to be magnetic, and what do they have to do with exclusionary fields?

longcircuit

[kevin]

All is one,
every finite point in that one has a pole and equator, dependant upon how the points accumulate determines their polarity.
Every finite point can be anything,
all is one.
kevin

[longcircuit]

every finite point in that one has a pole and equator, dependant upon how the points accumulate determines their polarity.
Every finite point can be anything,
all is one.

I don't know what this means. Can someone answer my questions? StevenO? Anyone?

longcircuit

[GaryN]

Hi StevenO,
The E/M fields of the planets puzzle the top scientific minds, so is it any wonder 'ordinary' folk are confused? I have spent a few hours over the last few days looking into the accepted MHD, homopolar motor, magnetic field ideas, and I must say I feel it is all nonsense.
Is the earths magnetic field like a permanent magnet field? Does it have no frequency? Does a permanent magnet have a frequency? What is the resonant frequency of the iron atom, and is a permanent magnet field a whole bunch of aligned, summed EM fields oscillating in the TTHz?
Is the earths field really a radio field with millions of frequencies? Are Saturns rings frequency sorted? How does gravity size-sort and perhaps orient the particles to produce the distinct textures of the individual rings?
The suns magnetic activity has been declining for a while now, as has the earths. The majority of solar system bodies have also been warming.

Earth is heating up lately, but so are Mars, Pluto and other worlds in our solar system, leading some scientists to speculate that a change in the sun’s activity is the common thread linking all these baking events.

http://www.livescience.com/environment/ ... rming.html

If this is indeed the case, then doesn't it make sense that less magnetic energy in a transmitter, would mean less energy in a receiver? If the magnetic fields of the planets weaken, then the polar vortices would weaken, and 'dilate', meaning less magnetocaloric cooling of the poles, with perhaps an increase of colder weather in areas further from the poles. I'll be watching the northern Canadian temperatures this year to see if there may be a correlation, but last year certainly seemed to see colder temps come further south.

Anyway, interesting stuff, but frustrating that there is so much uncertainty still.

[bdw000]

Thank you StevenO.

Miles mathis (.com) has a great website. He is now definitely on my "must read" list.

[fidalgoman]

As I looked at the recent newsletter on the solar magnetic cycle my first thought was what does a 22 year waveform look like. Tsunami like I imagine. Then, if the field was toroidal what wavelength and the associated space geometry were we looking at. Finally since the electric field flow apparently does not reverse in polarity then something else is at play.

Perhaps the Suns dynamic electric charge reaches some peak saturation and as the flow stalls and collapses the reversal is a mechanism to discharge and charge repeatedly in cycles. Think of a multi-vibrator oscillator charging a large capacitance then switching polarity, discharging it and recharging in the opposite direction. This works in a similar fashion with a coil but with a DC input requires some dielectric termination of flow. The polarity of the main circuit does not change but the current flow polarity across the capacitor is switched and charges one way and then the other. In short an very large astable multi-vibrator converting electric current into light via plasma discharge. I would imagine if true it would be quite messy and noisy application.

In electronics there is always some level of LCR interaction. If one knows the capacitance of the sun , the current flow and the electric potential the other forces could be factored. Just a fleeting thought.

[GaryN]

Hi fidalgoman, and welcome to the forum!
Good to see someone with some electrical experience here, and I hope we can throw some interesting, even 'mad' ideas around.
Just came upon this page, which offers an alternative idea for polar warming. I'm a great believer in the importance of the cavity magnetron as one component of the greater workings of the EU, but I had never thought of this one!


"This is a close up shot of how Satellites in there orbit act like a microwave oven."

From:
http://globalmicrowave.orgfree.com/environment.php

Just a fleeting thought.

Those may be some of the most important ones! Keep 'em coming.

[junglelord]

That looks like a phase conjugation based on the microwave mechanics and charged particles accumulating....very interesting.

[kevin]

Junglelord,
And each of those phase conjugate reversed signals will form an orchestra?
http://thehermeticcode.blogspot.com/sea ... l/Articles
The universe is alive, with the sound of music, have You noticed how they write music on parallel lines, odd ain't it?

Kevin

[lizzie]

http://www.healingsoundmovement.com/mai ... 4mbWlkPTYy