Circle Cities

[soulsurvivor]

[robertcircle1]

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That doesn't seem to work.

Bob
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[robertcircle1]

Nice pic.

Bob
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[robertcircle1]

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OK, I got it now. If the top of the clock is the arcade and where it flairs out you imagine it going up a little so that it holds a few feet of water before dropping down to the ground, about ten or twelve feet that would be about right.

Cheers,

Bob
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[Plasmatic]

What evidence do you have that capitalism and altruism go together?

They dont and cannot. The same way there can be no hierarchy in a "circle", Sociacracy is complete nonsense. Theres already a word for altruist government being "united" with "capitalism", its called Fascism.

Whilst capitalism isn't altruistic in itself it does provide a framework for us to get what we all need so long as we use it in that way. I think it is because this hasn't been generally recognised that there is such a divide between the haves and the have nots. It is logical when you think of it.

This statement reveals the heart of the issue behind altruist/collectivist, "need". Altruism by definition is self sacrifice. The reason always given is others "need". Why is anothers need a claim on anothers productivity? When you legislate "need" as the standard what you have is serfdom not freedom.Capitalism is about self interest, not "duty" to anothers "need". This does not preclude benevolence from being chosen as a personal [unlegislated]value.

For anyone whos interested in the fallacies accociated with these ideas:

http://www.aynrandbookstore2.com/prodin ... mber=AR11B


edit: communism to fascism. oops

[Lloyd]

* I'd rather discuss building the city, than political philosophy.

[robertcircle1]

* I'd rather discuss building the city, than political philosophy.

Same here, Lloyd. What I'd really like is to be able to meet up with these political philosophers in a circle city. But that will take some time. The next best thing is to meet up in a free food vegan cafe. Everyone is invited to come and help set one up.

Bob
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[mague]

The picture above is palm island. Its bigger sister is
http://www.theworld.ae/imageGallery.html

There are others worldwide. Some in Florida, South France, where ever...
They all have one in common. They are expensive. The rich already have their "circle islands". What makes you think they want to discuss about a money free world ?

To be honest, the rich are aware of something others dont seem to understand. They know that some people have to do the dirty work while others sit in vegan cafe's and talk about philosophy. So who is cleaning the city while others work in economy groups ?

Also about food... as a natural born hilly-billy i can asure you that growing food is work. If you are smart its better then a 9to5 job and it leaves you some time to dream and discuss. Still its work.

I thought the hobbit design is much better then a city.

If anything at all saves the people then its a design as close as possible to nature where the food is growing on your roof. No wasted space for anything but green. Actually this is the way those in need are able to live without much planning and building cities. Only simple tools are needed to turn a slum

into a green hobbit town. The slum has no green and no room for food. Hobbit town has.

Just my 2 cents

[robertcircle1]

The picture above is palm island. Its bigger sister is
http://www.theworld.ae/imageGallery.html

There are others worldwide. Some in Florida, South France, where ever...
They all have one in common. They are expensive. The rich already have their "circle islands". What makes you think they want to discuss about a money free world ?

To be honest, the rich are aware of something others dont seem to understand. They know that some people have to do the dirty work while others sit in vegan cafe's and talk about philosophy. So who is cleaning the city while others work in economy groups ?

Also about food... as a natural born hilly-billy i can asure you that growing food is work. If you are smart its better then a 9to5 job and it leaves you some time to dream and discuss. Still its work.

I thought the hobbit design is much better then a city.

If anything at all saves the people then its a design as close as possible to nature where the food is growing on your roof. No wasted space for anything but green. Actually this is the way those in need are able to live without much planning and building cities. Only simple tools are needed to turn a slum

into a green hobbit town. The slum has no green and no room for food. Hobbit town has.

Just my 2 cents

Mr. mague,

Your Palm Island is invisible. Yes I am aware that the rich spend huge amounts of money to buy the lifestyle they desire. You seem to assume they all want the same lifestyle and none of them are concerned about the rest of the world. You think, I assume, that when a person gets rich they change their personality. They don't. They often go back to their interests after they get out of the rat-race. Some of these interests are things like gardening, useful pursuits. The developments that you have pointed out to me tend to put a lot of money in a few hands as well as a dribble of money into a lot of hands. This is what I hope to change, so that all the money goes into as many hands as possible helping the rest of the world to develop.
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If or when people buy into the circle city lifestyle they will need to choose whether to do the work themselves on a co-operative basis, or pay others to do the work. But they will have that choice. And if money ceases to have value in the future they will be able to fend for themselves.
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Vegan free food cafes are intended to be the hub, the meeting as well as the eating place for each work collective, where necessary business is discussed over a meal. What's wrong with that? Wouldn't you like one in your locality?
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I too was brought up to grow food, and I know it is work, but the load can be lightened in various ways. I don't have, for instance, a tractor at present, but I know they make life easier. I'm only growing a small amount at present, just for one household. To grow for one hundred households plus the free food cafe would take at least one tractor and 100 acres of good land. I have seven acres and a couple of somewhat broken rotavators at present.
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Do you live in the Hobbit hill? It looks very nice. If I get my way there will be a free for all allowing everyone that wants to, to build themselves such things. I don't expect so many to want to do so that it would be a problem. Just about anything you want can be accommodated in my plan. It is not just for the 5% rich, it's for everyone.
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I'm in the business of finding solutions, not causing problems. Or at least I want to make that my business. Are there any customers? I hope so. Do you have a better plan than mine? If it's better than mine I'll go with yours.
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If the world gets much worse or if people believe it's getting much worse they might start clutching at straws. Do you have any straws to offer?
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As for growing food on the roof, my own design has food growing in the building (under the glass canopy), as well as right outside the building. It's not something I just invented, I've developed the idea over many years. I am not one for trying to impose my ideas on others, I just like choice, and I choose to live in a circle city network. If I offer it and others choose it too it might just happen.

Cheers,

Bob
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[mague]

Hello,

You seem to assume they all want the same lifestyle and none of them are concerned about the rest of the world. You think, I assume, that when a person gets rich they change their personality. They don't. They often go back to their interests after they get out of the rat-race. Some of these interests are things like gardening, useful pursuits.

Money does change people. It may be positive or negative, but it changes them. By pure logic they change from not-rich to rich. This isnt avoidable.
On the psychological level a rich person is influenced by different group dynamics then a not-rich person. This has nothing to do if the rich person is kind or not. On a spiritual level it is a burden if you own more then you need. There is a reason why Buddha statues all show Buddha with long ears. Jesus mentioned the problem as well.

I dont have a problem with the kind rich people. I just recognize a big problem for them when it comes to the last consequences. I know this. I am not rich compared to the richest people. I am rich compared to people in africa, south america or even the poorest in my own country. And i do know this is influencing me.

I'm in the business of finding solutions, not causing problems. Or at least I want to make that my business. Are there any customers? I hope so. Do you have a better plan than mine? If it's better than mine I'll go with yours.
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If the world gets much worse or if people believe it's getting much worse they might start clutching at straws. Do you have any straws to offer?
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In war there is a proverb: No plan ever survived the first contact with the enemy. I think this is valid for life as well. Thats why i like simple and basic ideas. Anything 1st hand is good, anything 2nd and 3rd hand is a problem, because this is creating depecies. Our houses are based on 50th hand technology. A simple water tube requires numerous steps and knowledge. It requires mining, blacksmithiing, special tools to create the winding. Those tools are again based on many different things. A city has to many depencies and is vulnerable.

No to mention the exodus of knowledge in case of a disaster. Even a simple generator powered by a waterwheel is useless if nobody is there who is able to maintain and repair it.

If all goes wrong with our economy then we probably cant build anything and have to learn to live as nomads in tents again. This means a modern tent is useless. I need a clever tent like the american natives used, with a fume outlet and where the tent poles are also used to carry your stuff when moving.

[robertcircle1]

Hello,

You seem to assume they all want the same lifestyle and none of them are concerned about the rest of the world. You think, I assume, that when a person gets rich they change their personality. They don't. They often go back to their interests after they get out of the rat-race. Some of these interests are things like gardening, useful pursuits.

Money does change people. It may be positive or negative, but it changes them. By pure logic they change from not-rich to rich. This isnt avoidable.
On the psychological level a rich person is influenced by different group dynamics then a not-rich person. This has nothing to do if the rich person is kind or not. On a spiritual level it is a burden if you own more then you need. There is a reason why Buddha statues all show Buddha with long ears. Jesus mentioned the problem as well.

I dont have a problem with the kind rich people. I just recognize a big problem for them when it comes to the last consequences. I know this. I am not rich compared to the richest people. I am rich compared to people in africa, south america or even the poorest in my own country. And i do know this is influencing me.

I'm in the business of finding solutions, not causing problems. Or at least I want to make that my business. Are there any customers? I hope so. Do you have a better plan than mine? If it's better than mine I'll go with yours.
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If the world gets much worse or if people believe it's getting much worse they might start clutching at straws. Do you have any straws to offer?
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In war there is a proverb: No plan ever survived the first contact with the enemy. I think this is valid for life as well. Thats why i like simple and basic ideas. Anything 1st hand is good, anything 2nd and 3rd hand is a problem, because this is creating depecies. Our houses are based on 50th hand technology. A simple water tube requires numerous steps and knowledge. It requires mining, blacksmithiing, special tools to create the winding. Those tools are again based on many different things. A city has to many depencies and is vulnerable.

No to mention the exodus of knowledge in case of a disaster. Even a simple generator powered by a waterwheel is useless if nobody is there who is able to maintain and repair it.

If all goes wrong with our economy then we probably cant build anything and have to learn to live as nomads in tents again. This means a modern tent is useless. I need a clever tent like the american natives used, with a fume outlet and where the tent poles are also used to carry your stuff when moving.

Hi Mague,

I want all the world to be able to live the simple life, if they choose it. Maybe one percent or more will choose it, but I expect a higher percentage to choose a technological lifestyle. I can live with either.
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Since my net worth is around a third of a million dollars I don't need to live in a tent. And since many others are as wealthy as I am or more so they don't have to live in tents either. I am hoping their money and mine can be used to make this world a better place for everyone. If capital (money) is used to create the habitat of the future and a million dollars spent gives a million dollers of habitat, and the million dollars goes to the builders then we have an increase in worth. Added value.
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If the new habitat is a widespread network not just an odd development here and there and it can accommodate five persons per million dollars and there are millions of families with this level of capital in one form or another, then the network could absorb all who were willing. There are similar developments happening all the time all over the world, but as yet with no underlying intention to create a better world for anyone other than the purchaser and the developer.
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Circle cities should in my opinion be developed on a non-profit basis. Rather than making me a multi-millionaire/billionaire (if I could swing it), all profits should be ploughed back in to speed up the growth in order to help everyone rather than just a few.

I have to be elsewhere shortly, so

Cheers,

Bob
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[Grey Cloud]

Hi Bob,
Noble sentiments and I respect you for having the courage of your convictions but money will not change the world, only Mind can do that. Money is part of the problem, not part of the solution.

[robertcircle1]

Hi Bob,
Noble sentiments and I respect you for having the courage of your convictions but money will not change the world, only Mind can do that. Money is part of the problem, not part of the solution.

With respect, mind controls body, body uses tools, money is (in the right hands) a tool. Without tools a body is limited, without a body, mind is limited.

Cheers,

Bob
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[Lloyd]

Money also helps satisfy many people's desire for a sense of fairness, or reciprocity.

[inthevisible]

When I first arrived in view of the metropolis I am looking out, and down from a window hovering above. The room I am in is dark, and I am alone. Looking out and down, I see that this city is unlike any city I have ever seen before: all the structures seem to circle in towards the center- it is huge, expansive, intricately embroidered with technical diversity; architecturally abstruse the buildings are opaque extending to odd heights and angles- not unlike crystal formation. Out from the center the architecture starts to blend into buildings of mason, stone, and steel. As I look closer I notice long white cylinder trains spiral in and out from the city center. I move away from the window, to try now to adjust my vision to grasp this darkened room. I move with my hands sweeping the area in front of me, trying to feel something, arriving with my palms flat on a wall- that echoes ever so faintly with the rhythm of motion. I follow the feel of the smooth wall until I arrive back once again at the window. I look out and find that in my absence we had gained elevation. I could now see that the city was in fact circular- with a diameter approximately ten miles across. The entire inner city is environed by a garden/green belt maybe one mile wide. In this green belt I can see pebbled pathways, sculpted gardens, and courtyards full of activity, with the faint details of people in motion throughout. The trains continue to spiral outwards/inwards. We gain more elevation, I can now see for miles. Out from this green belt, is the agricultural belt, it is by far the largest area of the whole- approximately twenty miles wide- extending the entire perimeter of the metropolis. Lakes and streams are in abundance. I can see greenhouses, open farmlands, grain and orchard, other areas I see cattle grazing, horses, and other livestock. The trains continue their spiral inwards/outwards towards the last perimeter of the whole- the entire perimeter is environed by brick buildings, approximately five stories high. Beyond this outer structure- the perimeter that encloses the metropolis within- there are the natural landscapes. I imagine for a moment the wealth and pride each member of this society must enjoy as they look out their windows each and every day, and there is something inside me that yearns for our return. Beyond this city, heading off through natural landscapes, I see the faint detail of trains heading out towards other circular cites in the distance, and beyond. And then a voice resonates from within “You see our cities are circular as are the crafts we fly.”