Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Beyond the boundaries of established science an avalanche of exotic ideas compete for our attention. Experts tell us that these ideas should not be permitted to take up the time of working scientists, and for the most part they are surely correct. But what about the gems in the rubble pile? By what ground-rules might we bring extraordinary new possibilities to light?

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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread post by moses » Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:25 pm

Hi Electrodynamic,
I am a survivalist but due to economic collapse and wars and not climate change. But what happens to the survivors. Will they repeat the same errors because they have not fundamentally changed. That is because they have not understood that humanity underwent severe trauma in the past.

Thus we need to understand what happened in the past. Both to heal and to know whether such catastrophes can repeat.
Cheers,
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread post by moses » Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:42 pm

Hi Gary,
That video probably sums up your personal view of what happened in the past. I of course go along with that Ev Cochrane video of what happened in recorded history. And the going further back my theory is unique.

I have no problem with the Sun going beserk or Saturn electrically interacting and having it's magnetosphere being very visible. I do feel that ignoring the ample evidence of the wandering Mars is not right, and logically if the Sun went beserk then that would affect the planets' orbits.

However when one reads the views of Electrodynamic one realises that the differences in our views are really pretty trivial compared with most people's views.
Cheers,
Mo

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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread post by Lloyd » Fri Sep 06, 2019 5:00 pm

Tech and Science News coming Sunday I think.

I suppose the video Gary linked to has some useful warnings about potential catastrophes from space in the future, but it may just be scare tactics to put the public more on edge than it already is. Electrodynamic's suggestion about solving problems is probably shared by most readers, i.e. preventing potential catastrophes. His/her idea that learning about past catastrophes isn't valuable makes no sense to me. Not everyone needs to know everything, but I'm interested in the fossils found in peculiar conditions, because it likely will help determine more precisely what did happen in the past. If we find out where the metals etc came from and how they arrived among fossils and drift and loess etc, we may learn which planet or meteor stream or other source may have caused it and whether there may be more in store in the future if nothing is done. I would very much like to see our habitation become safer for us and future generations. And many readers probably are aware that I put no stock in anthropogenic global warming.

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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread post by GaryN » Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:15 pm

My money is certainly on the solar outburst model, and the metalised objects suggest that waves of pulsed, species sorted ions of various varieties would have reached the surface. Iron would have been plentiful and in my area there are 12-18 inch thick banded iron deposits yielding 75%, not far under the surface.
The appearance of the heavens in my model is of course due to the state of Earths and the other planets ionospheres, and what may have appeared to be close planetary encounters may well have been just an illusion. Believing in the fully electromagnetic nature of the solar system though I do not discount that the orbits, rotation or axes may have changed to some degree, maybe radically.
The north American legends I have read suggest that survivors of these events were either underground (Hopi) or were taken to the abode of the Gods.(Salish) What I do feel sure of though is that the history of the Earth, life on Earth, geology, astronomy and astrophysics is nothing at all like we have been lead to believe.
In order to change an existing paradigm you do not struggle to try and change the problematic model. You create a new model and make the old one obsolete. -Buckminster Fuller

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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread post by Lloyd » Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:54 pm

Gary, I think you support Thornhill's model of craters formed by electric discharges or megalightning. I reckon the devastation would be the same whether they form that way or by direct bolide impacts. I believe Thornhill considers the Earth's electric charge to be too high for bolides of the same charge to impact Earth directly, but that would presumably not prevent bolides of opposite charge from impacting. I'd have to see more direct evidence that his supposition is correct before accepting it. I did accept it as probable in the past until I encountered Charles Chandler's model, which is obviously much more detailed than anyone else's that I've seen. Meteors encounter the Earth at very high velocity and I believe it's obviously high enough to penetrate the positive ionosphere. The Earth's surface itself is generally negative, so any negative object getting through the ionosphere would be attracted to the surface. Charles shows why some objects burst in the air, i.e. because of cracks that penetrate internally and allow electrons to be drawn out which makes the center too positive and it blows apart. And he explains that bolide impacts often have enough momentum to produce thermonuclear explosions in the ground, forming craters.

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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread post by Lloyd » Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:56 pm

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Deep-Space Objects Are Young
https://www.icr.org/article/11483/

'100 percent that an asteroid will get us'
https://www.sott.net/article/419961-NAS ... ill-get-us

Scientists confirm new mineral discovery never before encountered in nature
https://www.sott.net/article/419700-Sci ... -in-nature

The Mystery of the Nebra Sky Disk
https://mysteriousuniverse.org/2019/09/ ... -sky-disk/

Doggerland, the Fertile Paradise that Joined UK to Europe, Emerges from Sea Bed
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/dogg ... -t5t389ktl

Largest-ever ancient-DNA study illuminates millennia of South and Central Asian prehistory
https://phys.org/news/2019-09-largest-e ... south.html

Sand Rims of the Carolina Bays
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKvS4F9TA6s

The Vulture Stone of Gobekli Tepe: Pillar 43 Decoded
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dal1CChmPtc

Megalithic Sacsayhuaman: Older than the Inca? An investigation into megalithic architecture styles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvUCuJ0qcc0

Electric Archaeology - A TEV Live Recording
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9AOaBHz1yE

Ancient Tunnels And Megaliths At Saqsaywaman Above Cusco Peru
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2vU_JHd3Gc

"NO-ONE NOTICED!" ULURU (Ayers Rock, Australia) COVERED in MUD (Great) FLOOD Sediment?!
https://youtu.be/DQmv5eqwskk

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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread post by Electrodynamic » Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:14 am

moses
I am a survivalist but due to economic collapse and wars and not climate change. But what happens to the survivors. Will they repeat the same errors because they have not fundamentally changed. That is because they have not understood that humanity underwent severe trauma in the past.

Thus we need to understand what happened in the past. Both to heal and to know whether such catastrophes can repeat.
Global cataclysm implies an event which effects the whole planet and the first problem would be Energy. Once the electrical grid is down most people would be thrown back into the dark ages overnight. Most would lose heat, light, transportation and communication. Our infrastructure is in fact very fragile and interdependent on many other systems in order for it to work. Look at the recent hurricanes, a rather minor event rolls in and chaos ensues because most people are completely dependent on our systems working.

As I like to say, everyone is strong and intelligent and capable then "something" happens and everyone is helpless. This is true because the more advanced the system the more completely reliant people are on that system. The majority of people have literally no tangible survival skills with respect to water, food and shelter.

It's not rocket science, civilizations grow and advance technologically becoming completely reliant on the systems they have created. When the systems fail the civilization fails and collapses under it's own weight. The solution is very simple, do not become dependent on the system to survive be self-reliant (reliant on one's own powers and resources rather than those of others).

Our governments and corporations generally make these problems worse because there livelihood depends on people being dependent on them. Logically if everyone was truly "independent" then we wouldn't need them or there services. Thus we should understand that it is in there best interests to keep people dependent on the system to maintain the system and the status quo. It's just human nature and there is a very good chance history will repeat itself because we keep making the same mistakes. No centralized system or concentration of power and resources is sustainable and they all eventually collapse under there own weight. That is the lesson we as mankind have yet to learn in my opinion.

Obviously no one is going to give up anything nor are they willing to change course thus it's on us as individuals to be prepared to take care of ourselves. Those with a good knowledge base and skill set can generally survive anywhere while those without it are obviously in big trouble.

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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread post by moses » Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:23 pm

Electrodynamic,
Total economic collapse is interesting because we will still have food and water and energy even if through the army. Chaos and wars don't have to follow. It would be a matter of quickly providing a new economic reality. Paper money only has value if we believe it has value. How can bank cards become useful when the banks are broke.

The system banks use now is based on lending money that they don't really have. Civilizations that do this grow faster but are inherently unstable. Civilizations that grow slower tend to be taken over by the faster growing civilizations. Therefore instability rules. But under conditions of total economic collapse perhaps a new economic system must arise quickly.

That would be something like keeping the banks open and supply numbers to all accounts, which would represent money, and just continue on. Crude and idealistic but initially that may well be what must happen. However there are so many weapons that many countries will not be able to do this. So it is a vast story.

Cheers,
Mo

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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread post by Lloyd » Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:09 pm

Previous two posts were off-topic. The topic is Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm.

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Lightning ‘superbolts’ form over oceans from November to February
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/09/10/ ... -february/

Last day of the dinosaurs revealed in stunning glimpse of asteroid disaster
https://www.sott.net/article/420132-Las ... d-disaster

Lost continent buried beneath Europe uncovered by geologists
https://www.sott.net/article/420209-Los ... geologists

This kind of solar storm could be devastating in today’s world…”The Carrington Event” of 1859
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/09/10/ ... t-of-1859/

Critique of “Propagation of Error and the Reliability of Global Air Temperature Predictions”
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/09/11/ ... edictions/

Nunavik Inuit genetically unique among present-day world populations, study finds
https://www.sott.net/article/420081-Nun ... tudy-finds

Tunnel valleys can be formed in one ice age by catastrophic flow
https://creation.com/tunnel-valleys

Over a Dozen More Dinosaur Soft Tissues
https://www.icr.org/article/over-a-doze ... t-tissues/

Indus Valley Civilisation is largest source of ancestry for South Asians
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 042072.cms

Neanderthal Footprints Found in France Offer Snapshot of Their Lives
https://www.theguardian.com/science/201 ... heir-lives

Younger Dryas Glacier Ice Boulder Re-entry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUKM3CYsOlE

Did Ancient People Use Acid to Shape Stone? | Ancient High Technology
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDASrqrBMQI

What You Need to Know About Göbekli Tepe | Ancient Architects
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZqBkOwfXjc

Ancient Architects
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCscI4N ... NCw/videos

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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread post by Lloyd » Sat Sep 21, 2019 5:38 pm

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Comet gateway discovered to inner solar system, may alter fundamental understanding of comet evolution
https://phys.org/news/2019-09-comet-gat ... ution.html

New mineral discovered inside diamond mined in South Africa
https://www.sott.net/article/420701-New ... uth-Africa

Genetically-modified mosquito apocalypse plan backfires spectacularly in Brazil
https://www.sott.net/article/420579-Gen ... -in-Brazil

Feds scrapped 100 years of data on climate change
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/09/19/ ... te-change/

War Against Sea Level Rise
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/09/20/ ... evel-rise/

Scientists attempt to reconstruct extinct human's skeletal structure based only on DNA
https://www.sott.net/article/420738-Den ... nly-on-DNA

New study suggests ancient hominins in Asia 500k earlier than previously thought [based on naive, erroneous dating methods as usual]
https://www.sott.net/article/420778-Ret ... ly-thought

Asteroid that Killed the Dinosaurs Was as Strong as 10 Billion Atomic Bombs
https://bgr.com/2019/09/12/dinosaur-ast ... ub-crater/

When Did Humans Reach North America? The Question Keeps Growing More Complex
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/crux/ ... YXqypNKjBJ

Göbekli Tepe, The Younger Dryas and Reconstructing the Ancient Zodiac | Ancient Architects
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gyVcjSGpWE

Gobekli Tepe Zodiac Hypothesis: Is it an Ancient Star Map? | Ancient Architects
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNFNM4kRgQY

Older than the Great Pyramid? The Greek Pyramid of Hellinikon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DnlhsOOT_8

Myths, Gods, and the Younger Dryas Cataclysm! Eye-witness accounts of cosmic disasters in our past
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=023_HrRc_TA

Impossible Ancient Engineering ~ How Did They Do It?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDZLgntqMYM

Atlantis Mystery – Evidence Revealed
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUCHw4wJV8U
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0OT5UrrX-k

"99% PROVEN" 'Mudflood' in Central Australia.. AND! TRIGGERED by "MARTIAN BOMBARDMENT?!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUMDr9spx-U

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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread post by Lloyd » Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:21 pm

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The following is from September 28, 2019

Two sightings in two years suggest there could be lots more interstellar comets
https://www.sott.net/article/420992-Two ... lar-comets

New frontier for science as astronomers detect gas molecules in comet from another star
https://phys.org/news/2019-09-frontier- ... cules.html

Comet 67P surprises scientists with 'bright outbursts', collapsing cliffs and rolling boulders during Rosetta mission
https://www.sott.net/article/420947-Com ... ta-mission

Venus may have been habitable until mysterious catastrophe millions of years ago [how about thousands?]
https://www.sott.net/article/420888-Ven ... -years-ago

New study complicates theory that ancient impact pierced Moon's crust
https://phys.org/news/2019-09-complicat ... erced.html

Climate theory casts a new light on the history of Chinese civilisation
https://www.sott.net/article/421050-Cli ... vilisation

Mysterious 'pocket' of underwater gas could contain millions of tons of natural gas [CH4] or CO2
https://www.sott.net/article/421069-Mys ... gas-or-CO2

New IPCC report on ocean warming cites a flawed and retracted paper
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/09/27/ ... ted-paper/

Drug Inquiry: Fear of Climate Change is Destroying the Lives of Young People
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/09/27/ ... ng-people/

Dinosaur Mingled with Sea Creatures in Japan
https://www.icr.org/article/11545/

Archaeologists Are Learning More About Who and What Lived in This Famous Siberian Cave
https://gizmodo.com/archaeologists-are- ... 1838454833

The 6,000-Year-Old Underground Labyrinth: Hypogeum of Malta | Ancient Architects
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4jnrhRc-0U

Ancient Concrete of the Great Pyramid: Geopolymer Hiding the Secret Chamber? | Ancient Architects
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiHMQsUsVW0

Ancient Architects
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCscI4N ... NCw/videos

Electric Mythology - TEV Live
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Exn2qjG2ubQ

Catastrophist Video Channels
http://funday.createaforum.com/x/1-114/

Why SPANISH STONEHENGE is 'CLOSEST RELATIVE TO BRITISH VERSION'?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw39pGYBKAM

GeoCosmic REX
https://www.youtube.com/user/YSIproductions/videos

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The following is from October 05, 2019

Alien probes spying on Earth? Scientist warns of possible 'lurkers' in our solar system
https://www.sott.net/article/421322-Ali ... lar-system

Wrong Again: 50 Years of Failed Eco-pocalyptic Predictions
https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-yea ... redictions

Dust in ice cores leads to new knowledge on the advancement of the ice before the ice age
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/10/05/ ... e-ice-age/

Younger Dryas Impact Platinum peaks found again in Southern Hemisphere
https://cosmictusk.com/africa/

Humans Competed With Carnivores for Cave Space [or did a great flood pile them altogether?]
https://cosmosmagazine.com/archaeology/ ... cave-space

Microscopic Evidence Sheds Light on the Disappearance of the World’s Largest Mammals
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 121711.htm

Electric Universe: Fact or Fiction? Carolina Bays
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOhlEIpg7TY

Ancient Great Pyramid Robbers Created This Tunnel to Remove Something Large | Ancient Architects
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnJweB_-ZrA

Robert Hawthorne - Arc Blast Geology Tour 2019
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Gz1QcM0cJY

Discourses on an Alien Sky #44 | Ancient Myths and Symbols: Identifying the Celestial Provocation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtrR-4XrtY4

Ev Cochrane: The Many Faces of Venus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF9ZmaiDMBk

Evidence Of Ancient Cataclysmic Activity And Exploring Underground At Saqqara In Egypt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzgO5hNFwSQ

Younger-Dryas Impact at Nipigon, Ontario? RC proposes field REX to Vet -from CAC'19 event May 26 '19
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn8NBPA2w5I

Ajlun Castle, Jordan - How did all the Clay Land on It? - p 8 of the Jordan Expedition
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hq5uquxJRxQ

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The following is from October 12, 2019

Was Venus once warm and wet? New study of lava flow suggests not
- https://phys.org/news/2019-10-venus-lava.html
- http://www.sis-group.org.uk/news/was-ve ... -earth.htm

Understanding the Climate Movement Part 3: Follow the Money
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/10/06/ ... the-money/

Believing in climate change doesn’t mean you are preparing for climate change, study finds
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/10/09/ ... udy-finds/

Early humans evolved in ecosystems unlike any found today
https://www.sott.net/article/421695-Ear ... ound-today

Wrangel Island Pygmy Mammoths lived up to the late 3rd millennium BC
http://www.sis-group.org.uk/news/wrange ... mmoths.htm

YouTuber explains worldwide religious myths in context of the Younger Dryas
https://cosmictusk.com/uncharted-x-youn ... ious-myth/

Dinosaur eggs point to the global Genesis Flood
https://creation.com/dinosaur-eggs-point-to-the-flood

Ancient Egyptian Artifacts Unearthed in Indonesia
https://www.egyptindependent.com/ancien ... indonesia/

Israeli Archaeologists Say They Have Discovered a Bronze Age ‘New York City’
https://www.news.com.au/technology/scie ... cf8a906fcf

1,000 Lost Ancient Sites Found on Scottish Island
https://www.scotsman.com/heritage/1-000 ... -1-5020356

Huge new 'shark toothed' dinosaur found
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/scie ... n-thailand

A Mysterious Lost City in the Sahara Desert | Ancient Architects
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHIEqbR9BkU

Impossible Stone Carving and Evidence of Ancient Technology: Sayhuite Monolith | Ancient Architects
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1OeOaueUvs

The Improbable Timeline of the Old Kingdom Mega-Pyramid Builders
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7UmGEMduI8

Unexplained Relics Left By A Lost Civilization?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aC6Z-TzcGs

"Eroding (Bad) Geopolymer," In the 'TETI PYRAMID?!' Egypt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpO5Fn6C8yI
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

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Hubble Space Telescope captures interstellar comet 2I/Borisov
- https://www.sott.net/article/422150-Hub ... 2I-Borisov
- https://www.sott.net/article/422189-2I- ... scientists
- https://phys.org/news/2019-10-2iborisov ... iliar.html

What really happened when the 'dino-killer' asteroid struck
https://www.sott.net/article/422006-Wha ... oid-struck

Scientists discover big storms can create 'stormquakes'
https://www.sott.net/article/422130-Sci ... tormquakes

Researchers find California quakes have awakened quiet fault line
https://www.sott.net/article/422243-Thi ... fault-line

Religion and Younger Dryas
http://www.sis-group.org.uk/news/religi ... -dryas.htm

Early Bronze Age metropolis
http://www.sis-group.org.uk/news/early- ... opolis.htm

Tail of a comet
http://www.sis-group.org.uk/news/tail-comet.htm

Ancient Egyptian ‘Industrial Zone’ Uncovered in Luxor’s Valley of the Monkeys
https://gizmodo.com/ancient-egyptian-in ... 1838975156

Early Humans Reached Greek Island 200,000 Years Ago, Changing Picture of Spread From Africa [except their dating methods are way wrong]
https://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/.pr ... -1.7994456

A Lost Ancient City Carved Out of Solid Rock in the Middle of the Desert? | Ancient Architects
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeLbbQ3SexI

Our Lightning-Scarred Moon – The Evidence Grows
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeDIWaZ__o4

Evidence Of Ancient Machining Technology Present At Hattusa In Turke
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BZeIX2AgO0

Impossible Ancient OOPArts Academia Can't Explain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzQRjn7Z7fQ

Charles Kos on Atlantis etc
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4dkC_ ... SIg/videos

Precise Astronomical Instruments at Chaco Cyn & Beyond -Cosmography101-20.2 w/Randall Carlson May'08
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqTx8kjXX8U
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

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The last 3 weeks material and today's are all posted in 2 posts above.

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